2007 Rumours - Who is going where?

[dash61]

Its very difficult to assess Jarman as a coach as he has achieved very little considering the money North have spent. They have also made some very poor recruiting decisions eg.paid a fortune for Ohara, Wise, Koops etc at the expense of blooding juniors. What is the point of winning reserves, u19s, u17s premierships if you dont then promote those players through the system. Have a look at how many North born and bred played league last year versus imports. Cant understand the short term mentality which makes a mockery of junior grades being successful. Would have been much better off playing the likes of Mcentee(no league games at all this season- a joke) , Grocke and Weatherley.
Coaching is supposed to be about developing and nurturing not just paying out the most bucks to buy a premiership. Take a leaf out of Centrals and the Eagles.
Become a coach Jarman not a recruiter.

Very Unfair
All clubs have to make decisions on the talent available at the time and if you didnt recruit and fell down the table you would be rated a complete peanut, westies made this decision in 2004 and it set us back a couple of years. Some players like Moritz and co can play and are leaving but this happens at all clubs. Bottom line was Norths were down and out when Jars took over and with help from outsiders and some good business planning are a financial power house now. Apart from Jars , they have a couple of very good men steering the boat in Elliott & Moore.

[Punk Rooster]

West Adelaide supporters are the last ones to talk... look at your side in the 80's- a rejected version of a 3rd grade VFL State team. And guess what? nothing changes for 2007- look at the hacks you've busily recruited over the last years: Ben Hollands, Pat Wiggins, Ben Haynes (so loyal he was on a 6pm flight back to Victoria after home games), Ashley Wedding (struggled to make mini-league), even when you picked up a gun Queenslander (Dean Howard), you sack him for trying to install leadership into the WAFC Titanic!
Add a fresh bunch of players with Victorian passports for next year.....

[Wedgie]

Nice try, Wedgie, but the facts have hung you out to dry.

The home grown players average the least amount of games (excluding the 1 player each from Port and tthe country).

If you take out the experienced players such as Wintle, etc, the average for home grown talent is very poor.

Far from giving them opportunity, most of the time they were put up to fill holes, by the look of it.

I'm not knocking your use of imports, just having a go at the 'home-grown talent' argument.

As I said, lies, damned lies and Wedgie's statistics

You're actuallly arguing against your own argument, you could do that for home grown talent, you could also do that for any other category.
Players like Pfeiffer, McIntyre, Edwards, Millar, Martin, Cubillo, R.Ebert, Nye, Moritz, etc were definately not filling holes and were definate given a try otherwise we would have recycled the same player through the same position/s.

For my liking we gave too many a go, there's no value in playing players who aren't up to it or aren't ready for eg R.Eberto or Moritz. As discussed many times previously the only one not given a go who has been given a go in prevoius seasons was McEntee, having watched a lot of reserves and evena bit of juniors this year I couldn't see anyone else who should have got a go, Id be more critical of clubs who play kids when they're not up to it as it sometimes has a detrimental impact.

I'll start a separate topic as this has gone off topic.

[Jimmy]

Wedgie, for all the injuries North had last year to key players (Alleway, Coulter, Weatherly, Walker, Koops, Schubert, Howard etc), can you (or anyone else) go through the times when the players you mentioned above were given a go purely on merit and when they were given a go because your 1st choice players were injured??

This may be a way of settling the argument.

Cheers

PS: and CP, i had that initial reaction too

[sus]

In regard to Jarman recruiting, I'd suspect Glenn Elliott and James Moore do most of the leg work but the Jarman name is very influential when trying to lure interstate recruits here, also Jars does meet with the recruits personally unlike at some clubs where players just get a powerpoint presentation and a group meeting with the coach if lucky (see Gill who was offered more at the Bay than North but was very non plussed about their effort to recruit him and treat him like a person rather than a number).
North may have made some poor recruiting decisions but they've also made some great decisions in Jarman's era, ie Gill, Roe, Howard, Ryswyk, Campbell, Gatto, Schubert and I think we'll see a lot better from Alleway, Walker, Weatherley, Krieg and Coulter yet.
By my reckoning North had 18 players who have come through their juniors play league footy in 2006.
If anything 2 players were blooded before they were ready and 1 was langiushing in the ressies who should have played league so they actually erred in favour of promotion rather than the other way around IMHO.

Missed the point Wedgie - its the recruiting attitude/culture/philosophy thats the problem, nothing to do with who makes contact, does the liaision, etc. Philosophical decisions about what recruits are required, what direction re junior priorities etc, are mainly the decision of the senior coach. And in these areas Jarman has failed. The only decent proven recruits youve listed here are Roe and to a lesser extent Howard. All the others have either failed to stand up under real pressure or have been injured. And what about Cox and Koops - old, overweight AFL has-beens - just no good. Notice I left out Gill - Ive come to the conclusion he is overrated after Ive seen McKenzie completely stitch him up last season. I think all his match winning efforts in 2006 efforts were against weaker opposition and there is too big a gap between his best and worst. Adelaide Crows have made a poor choice there IMHO. Ryswyk and Campbell are as weak-as under pressure. Krieg, Walker, Weatherley, Gatto and Schubert are steady at best. Coulter looks unfit. If 18 juniors played league they should have played more at the expense of some of the recruits in order to help their development and to the long term benefit of the NAFC.

[dash61]

West Adelaide supporters are the last ones to talk... look at your side in the 80's- a rejected version of a 3rd grade VFL State team. And guess what? nothing changes for 2007- look at the hacks you've busily recruited over the last years: Ben Hollands, Pat Wiggins, Ben Haynes (so loyal he was on a 6pm flight back to Victoria after home games), Ashley Wedding (struggled to make mini-league), even when you picked up a gun Queenslander (Dean Howard), you sack him for trying to install leadership into the WAFC Titanic!
Add a fresh bunch of players with Victorian passports for next year.....

Dash wrote
Very Unfair
All clubs have to make decisions on the talent available at the time and if you didnt recruit and fell down the table you would be rated a complete peanut, westies made this decision in 2004 and it set us back a couple of years. Some players like Moritz and co can play and are leaving but this happens at all clubs. Bottom line was Norths were down and out when Jars took over and with help from outsiders and some good business planning are a financial power house now. Apart from Jars , they have a couple of very good men steering the boat in Elliott & Moore.


Punk, my comments and being a west supporter were not critical of norths active recruiting and have stated it is an essential to continue to move forward and get stronger.

[Wedgie]

Wedgie, for all the injuries North had last year to key players (Alleway, Coulter, Weatherly, Walker, Koops, Schubert, Howard etc), can you (or anyone else) go through the times when the players you mentioned above were given a go purely on merit and when they were given a go because your 1st choice players were injured??

This may be a way of settling the argument.

Cheers

PS: and CP, i had that initial reaction too

Howard and Schubert played 21 games each!
(That's more than any Sturt player managed, so I'd hardly say they were injured!)
Most long term injuries were to our big forwarsd but we rotated players through those roles, the youngsters defiantely weren' t put at FF or CHF. As i said mate, I've started a new topic, let's get this one back on track.

[dash61]

In regard to Jarman recruiting, I'd suspect Glenn Elliott and James Moore do most of the leg work but the Jarman name is very influential when trying to lure interstate recruits here, also Jars does meet with the recruits personally unlike at some clubs where players just get a powerpoint presentation and a group meeting with the coach if lucky (see Gill who was offered more at the Bay than North but was very non plussed about their effort to recruit him and treat him like a person rather than a number).
North may have made some poor recruiting decisions but they've also made some great decisions in Jarman's era, ie Gill, Roe, Howard, Ryswyk, Campbell, Gatto, Schubert and I think we'll see a lot better from Alleway, Walker, Weatherley, Krieg and Coulter yet.
By my reckoning North had 18 players who have come through their juniors play league footy in 2006.
If anything 2 players were blooded before they were ready and 1 was langiushing in the ressies who should have played league so they actually erred in favour of promotion rather than the other way around IMHO.

Missed the point Wedgie - its the recruiting attitude/culture/philosophy thats the problem, nothing to do with who makes contact, does the liaision, etc. Philosophical decisions about what recruits are required, what direction re junior priorities etc, are mainly the decision of the senior coach. And in these areas Jarman has failed. The only decent proven recruits youve listed here are Roe and to a lesser extent Howard. All the others have either failed to stand up under real pressure or have been injured. And what about Cox and Koops - old, overweight AFL has-beens - just no good. Notice I left out Gill - Ive come to the conclusion he is overrated after Ive seen McKenzie completely stitch him up last season. I think all his match winning efforts in 2006 efforts were against weaker opposition and there is too big a gap between his best and worst. Adelaide Crows have made a poor choice there IMHO. Ryswyk and Campbell are as weak-as under pressure. Krieg, Walker, Weatherley, Gatto and Schubert are steady at best. Coulter looks unfit. If 18 juniors played league they should have played more at the expense of some of the recruits in order to help their development and to the long term benefit of the NAFC.

Eagles finally come top once and not the bridesmaids to centrals, and youe club is the perfect role model for all to follow, you forget the roosters under hart and mcdermott were a very very ordinary unit and remember this myfriend "Rome wasn't built in a day", when are the eagles going to anounce the star brisbane player they have recruited

[JK]

Very Unfair
All clubs have to make decisions on the talent available at the time and if you didnt recruit and fell down the table you would be rated a complete peanut, westies made this decision in 2004 and it set us back a couple of years. Some players like Moritz and co can play and are leaving but this happens at all clubs. Bottom line was Norths were down and out when Jars took over and with help from outsiders and some good business planning are a financial power house now. Apart from Jars , they have a couple of very good men steering the boat in Elliott & Moore.

To be honest, I think this is probably the best assessment on this whole debate ... From where I stand, there are always clubs loading up on recruits, it's happened for 40 years and will continue to happen, and it's never just 1 club ... If there are potential drawbacks in regard to disgruntled local talent then it's really not a concern of other clubs anyway.

The bottom line is North have gone from death's door, to a position of financial comfort and are thereabouts on the field and imho they cannot be knocked for that by anyone ... Their own performance (on and off field) is really only for their members and supporters to judge.

[Wedgie]

Other thread guys, this thread is about 2007 rumours, who is going where.
Cheers.

[dash61]

Eagles recruit for 2007 ?????

Martin Pask
CAREER GAMES/GOALS
Guernsey Number: 41
Height 191cm
Weight: 97kg
Recruited From: Western Magpies (QLD)
Date of Birth: 2 January 1985
Player Statistics - Martin Pask

AFL 2006 Premiership Season
Round Date vs. K H P M HO T FF FA G B
Round 11 10/06/2006 Adelaide 2 2 4 2 0 1 0 1 0 0
Round 12 17/06/2006 Western Bulldogs 3 3 6 2 0 0 0 0 1 0
Round 13 01/07/2006 Carlton 9 2 11 8 0 0 0 0 1 2
Round 14 08/07/2006 Melbourne 5 3 8 4 0 0 0 1 0 1
Round 15 15/07/2006 Kangaroos 4 4 8 3 0 2 0 0 1 0
Round 19 12/08/2006 Richmond 7 3 10 4 0 0 0 1 0 0
Round 21 26/08/2006 Sydney Swans 5 2 7 5 0 2 0 0 1 0
Round 22 02/09/2006 St Kilda 1 3 4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0



The strongly built key position utility had played mainly as a forward until the middle of season 2005, whereupon he moved back into the defensive half with good effect.

Pask, previously a virtual one-man forward line for the Western Magpies in the AFLQ, is trying to emulate Robert Copeland who established himself at the Lions after being rejected for a rookie list spot at his first try.

He showed good versatility when swinging back for the latter stages of last season with the Suncoast Lions, his good body work and timing on the spoil coming in very handy. In 2004 Pask won the AFLQ’s Rising Star award last year and was runner-up in the Western Magpies’ best and fairest despite an injury-interrupted first half of the year.

Is a long-time Queensland underage representative.

[Mickyj]

[quote="dash61"


Eagles finally come top once and not the bridesmaids to centrals, and youe club is the perfect role model for all to follow, you forget the roosters under hart and mcdermott were a very very ordinary unit and remember this myfriend "Rome wasn't built in a day", when are the eagles going to anounce the star brisbane player they have recruited[/quote]

Well Dash you have my attention enlighten me please !!

[sturt1]

Wedgie, for all the injuries North had last year to key players (Alleway, Coulter, Weatherly, Walker, Koops, Schubert, Howard etc), can you (or anyone else) go through the times when the players you mentioned above were given a go purely on merit and when they were given a go because your 1st choice players were injured??

This may be a way of settling the argument.

Cheers

PS: and CP, i had that initial reaction too

Howard and Schubert played 21 games each!
(That's more than any Sturt player managed, so I'd hardly say they were injured!)
Most long term injuries were to our big forwarsd but we rotated players through those roles, the youngsters defiantely weren' t put at FF or CHF. As i said mate, I've started a new topic, let's get this one back on track.

Cooper played more

[westozfalcon]

Can anybody confirm whether Port has signed Brent LeCras who was delisted by the Kangaroos?

[GWW]

Can anybody confirm whether Port has signed Brent LeCras who was delisted by the Kangaroos?

Hope so but haven't heard any rumours of it anywhere.

[Jimmy]

http://www.footygoss.com.au/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=7107

Travis Oakley apparantly signed with South Freo. Not sure if it was mentioned on here.

And on footygoss, they are sure that LeCras has signed with Port Adelaide.

[PortAdelaideProud]

I've been made aware that Brent LeCras has signed with Port Adelaide too.

Great signing!

[Jimmy]

I've been made aware that Brent LeCras has signed with Port Adelaide too.

Great signing!

what type of player is he? just hope he doesnt do a baird and piss off after one year

[TimmiesChin]

On Brent LeCras:

Brent played two AFL games for the year but had an exceptional season for North Ballarat in the VFL winning the Leading Goal Kicker and Fairest and Best.


Also signed his teammate at Kangaroos (and Nth Ballarat) Justin Perkins

[Dutchy]

LeCras - very lazy...Perkins much better workrate but not as talented