Tasmania or NT side to be 10th team in SANFL?

[pipers]

Also all NT players will automatically be drafted into the new Glod Coast team.

Told you.

More AFL meddling...

[Wedgie]

I draw your attention to the experience of BSkyB in the UK and the massive decline in TV revenue after the money dried up.

Ask any Leeds fan about it...

Im a Leeds fan and am quite happy that the Might Rhinos are sitting top of the Super League comfortably whilst being the reigning champions and curent World Club Champions!!

[topsywaldron]

I draw your attention to the experience of BSkyB in the UK and the massive decline in TV revenue after the money dried up.

ITV Digital actually.

[therisingblues]

HAs been announced that NT will play in the Qld league.

Also all NT players will automatically be drafted into the new Glod Coast team. I think the NTFL has sold out its players as they will no longer have choice and will be playing in a lower quality league than SA or WA.

I feared it would end this way, it was mentioned in another thread that it possibly would.
In my eyes the AFL has not only reduced us to a league of second standing in our own state, they have now cut off the greatest avenue available to us to bring back some spotlight.

The SANFL is doing a fine job with what resources they have of boosting crowds, (Rivalry rounds, night games, better advertising campaign, etc.) as are many of the clubs. (Identifying with their communities, innovative membership drives, etc.) I still believe that we are need of an ace to increase the SANFL's status.

Who knows what the future holds. Perhaps with the insane increases on the cost of oil the AFL will get scrapped owing to ballooning travel costs and the whole thing will go back to a VFL, a WAFL and an SANFL with 10 teams and one West Torrens and a seperate Woodville.

[Wedgie]

Merge the Power and the Mapgies and give the Crows a side I say.
Crows can top up ther side with invited underage players from SANFL clubs in their "zone".
Crows would be happy as they'd have more control over their players.
Power would be happy (admittedly some Magpies fans would be unhappy but I think you'd still get more spectators coming along to Port games).
No bye, a lot of Crows supporters would meander along to see their next tier of players in the same league.
No mini drafts, no issues with qualifications, etc.
Win/Win in my book.
Just a thought.

[cd]

There are still positives re the bye - even the AFL players are saying they would like 2 weekends off during the season - (J Brown interviewed today).

[pipers]

I draw your attention to the experience of BSkyB in the UK and the massive decline in TV revenue after the money dried up.

ITV Digital actually.

So it was. Thank you for that...

[CUTTERMAN]

Merge the Power and the Mapgies and give the Crows a side I say.
Crows can top up ther side with invited underage players from SANFL clubs in their "zone".
Crows would be happy as they'd have more control over their players.
Power would be happy (admittedly some Magpies fans would be unhappy but I think you'd still get more spectators coming along to Port games).
No bye, a lot of Crows supporters would meander along to see their next tier of players in the same league.
No mini drafts, no issues with qualifications, etc.
Win/Win in my book.
Just a thought.

No, No, No and No! I don't care if the AFL stuffs up their comp but as soon as we have SA SANFL players playing against their local clubs for either the Power or Adelaide then footy's well and truly stuffed, I'll leave the country, piss off, cut my mooring lines and sail away.

[panthers 2008]

If the NT bid to join the SANFL has been stuffed up by the AFL the SANFL should investigate all other options.Tasmania is an option,but the ACT should not be overlooked.Canberra could be a viable option to join the SANFL.They have a history of playing aussie rules,and have the population base to support such a venture.
Crunch time for the SANFL is just around the corner with the two new AFL franchises ready to kick off in 2011 and 2012.Although in the past couple of years the SANFL has not been totally plundered by the AFL teams,this will probably change with two new teams needing roughly 80 new players to fill their rosters.
The SANFL will have to be very smart to combat this and keep the interest and promote our fantastic competition.
I truly believe we need a tenth team to join the SANFL and one from interstate would be great for the comp.
The SANFL should not lay idle on this and try and initiate some dialogue with Tasmania and the Canberra leagues.

[pipers]

I don't get this desire to have:

a) a 10th team
b) a team from interstare
c) the very likely AFL involvement in either a) or b) that weakend the independance of the SANFL.

Maintain the Rage!

AFL WILL EAT ITSELF!

[Hondo]

Crunch time for the SANFL is just around the corner with the two new AFL franchises ready to kick off in 2011 and 2012.Although in the past couple of years the SANFL has not been totally plundered by the AFL teams,this will probably change with two new teams needing roughly 80 new players to fill their rosters.

It's a myth that these 80 players are going to be "plundered" from the SANFL

Only 10 SANFL guys got drafted last year by 16 AFL teams. We don't seem to be the centre of the universe anymore when it comes to new talent. Anyway, after the new teams firsts lists are settled then after that it's only 2 more teams in the national draft each year, hardly the end of the world.

Some of the first 80 will come from SANFL, some from WAFL, some from the VFL, a lot from from delistings from other AFL clubs, some from players delaying retirements, some from other states.

There's no need IMO for panic stations because of 2 new AFL teams - if we can survive the Crows and the Power we can survive Gold Coast and West Sydney. It's not as tho its going to stop people going to local footy the teams are in completely different states.

So no need to rush into poorly-thought-out and unnecessary expansion plans.

S-A- NFL, that's S-A, that's SOUTH AUSTRALIA. It's not SA+ACT or SA+Tas or SA+NT

I'm with Fatal here ....

[spell_check]

Who knows what the future holds. Perhaps with the insane increases on the cost of oil the AFL will get scrapped owing to ballooning travel costs and the whole thing will go back to a VFL, a WAFL and an SANFL with 10 teams and one West Torrens and a seperate Woodville.

That's your dream scenario. Sojourner's dream scenario is a team in the TTG area. I know someone else wants one in Mount Barker. Dan the Man wants one in the Barossa. If you want to the reduce the standard of the SANFL, pending two more new AFL teams to weaken even further, go for it.

Clearly the AFL will do no favours for a interstate team in this comp. So obviously everyone who thinks that the SANFL is "broken" is placing it squarely on the bye.

I think the bye is a good opportunity for fans to do something else for that day - go to another match, watch one on TV. For the players (interstate and country players in particular) it's a good opportunity to visit relatives for the weekend. Players can relax over the weekend. Wouldn't that be promoted to interstate players as part of the reason to come over here?

[heater31]

Clearly the AFL will do no favours for a interstate team in this comp. So obviously everyone who thinks that the SANFL is "broken" is placing it squarely on the bye.

I have no problem with the current set up as it is. But also have no dramas for an interstate side joining either, provided that it is advantageous to both parties involved. If we do go down this path lets not make the same mistakes as the AFL clowns did.

[spell_check]

Clearly the AFL will do no favours for a interstate team in this comp. So obviously everyone who thinks that the SANFL is "broken" is placing it squarely on the bye.

I have no problem with the current set up as it is. But also have no dramas for an interstate side joining either, provided that it is advantageous to both parties involved. If we do go down this path lets not make the same mistakes as the AFL clowns did.

I wouldn't mind an interstate club in the SANFL too. Provided your reason above, and there is still at least 20 matches in the season.

[Hazydog]

[quote="Wedgie"]Merge the Power and the Mapgies and give the Crows a side I say.

They would be easybeats Wedgie - for starters most of the team would only play for a half (apparently you cant play a full game in the reserves when coming back from injury)

I've said it before & I'll say it again. The integrity of the competition would be in tatters if a side was introduced who's aim to win a premiership was about 3rd on it's list of priorities.

[therisingblues]

Who knows what the future holds. Perhaps with the insane increases on the cost of oil the AFL will get scrapped owing to ballooning travel costs and the whole thing will go back to a VFL, a WAFL and an SANFL with 10 teams and one West Torrens and a seperate Woodville.

That's your dream scenario. Sojourner's dream scenario is a team in the TTG area. I know someone else wants one in Mount Barker. Dan the Man wants one in the Barossa. If you want to the reduce the standard of the SANFL, pending two more new AFL teams to weaken even further, go for it.

You haven't understood what I wrote Spelly. If the AFL was scrapped the SANFL would strengthen, wouldn't it? There would also be no new teams to enter the AFL because it wouldn't exist.
I don't know how my above supposition would end up weakening the SANFL.

Clearly the AFL will do no favours for a interstate team in this comp. So obviously everyone who thinks that the SANFL is "broken" is placing it squarely on the bye.

Wrong again, my main hope is that an interstate side would incease exposure for the SANFL.
The other thing I like about it is that it brings more supporters to the league.
And I am one that thinks the SANFL is broken.
I do agree with you that the AFL will do us no favours, but I don't think that is fair reason to throw in the towel.

People wishing for a new side to be introduced from within SA are forgetting that this would spread the same population amongst more clubs. I couldn't see a new side from within SA competing for a viable supporter base when they would be lacking the history of the other 9 clubs. At least introducing a Crows reserves side could possibly draw off a few AFL fans that are interested in the magoos, and hence introduce extra supporters to the league. Though that is just a theory. I have more faith in an interstate side.

[Hondo]

A strong, financial National comp is the best outcome for football in this country, at all levels

Despite what some of us one-eyed SANFL fans think!

The SANFL is as strong financially as its ever been, since the Crows and Power started. The profits from the AFL do eventually filter through all levels ... even if its not as much as it could or should be.

Thinking that 1. the AFL will collapse and 2. if it did, that the SANFL would emerge as a national power in its place - is unfortunately a slightly deluded, parochial, nostalgic fantasy.

IMO

[doggies4eva]

A strong, financial National comp is the best outcome for football in this country, at all levels

Despite what some of us one-eyed SANFL fans think!

The SANFL is as strong financially as its ever been, since the Crows and Power started. The profits from the AFL do eventually filter through all levels ... even if its not as much as it could or should be.

Thinking that 1. the AFL will collapse and 2. if it did, that the SANFL would emerge as a national power in its place - is unfortunately a slightly deluded, parochial, nostalgic fantasy.

IMO

Totally agree. And with the TV rolyalties rolling in the AFL isn't going bust anytime soon.

So the SANFL has to decide whether it wants to meander along pulling crowds of 3,000 living off of pokies and AFL dividends or whether to reinvent itself.

[pipers]

So the SANFL has to decide whether it wants to meander along pulling crowds of 3,000 living off of pokies and AFL dividends or whether to reinvent itself.

I think it has decided...

[Strawb]

Theri do you think the SANFL has been better off for having W-WT since 1991? Remember Woodville played only 4 finals in the entire history and WT never played in a final after the 1980 Elim final. And both clubs were ridiculously close together geographically (I think the SANFL may have sunk WT back in 1964).

In their place we have a team that has been very strong and competitive and a club that pays due respect to its origins. That's not to say mergers are always the answer, but in the circumstances in 1991 it was a very good move IMO. Each case needs to be taken on its merits rather than having a pre-judged view. So i still support the tigers.

If we had more NRL fans on here they could tell us about their merger experiences.

I can tell you I hated the merger of Western Suburbs and Balmain but it was better than the take over that Parramatta offered us. Things that swayed me the colours were combined and the name Wests Tigers. But what really got me was they kept the magpies on the selves and i really liked they they kept the tradition of the two clubs.

Now on the SANFL first things first the SA footy commission needs to stop forcing the crows and power down our throats. More money needs to be spent on developing the SANFL brand name. We also need better Television coverage ie channels 7,9, or 10 stuff the ABC. People need to know hey this our competition f*ck the crows and power. Put the money back in the competition they made the crows and power. Support the league that made football park and stuck it up the then VFL with the player retention scheme, back in the 80's. The SANFL needs to do these first and make the clubs healthy again before adding a tenth team I would rather 10 teams not 8.