Mattner likely to join Swans

[MW]

Relevance to Marty Mattner discussion? If you want to vent about the Crows start a new thread ....

quite possibly Neil Craig has something to do with Mattner wanting to leave.
and Hudson.
and Perrie.
and Meesen.
and McGregor (who has since reversed his decision).
and talk of others being unhappy...

LMAO I think Perrie is no longer wanted

[Hondo]

Hey Hondo

98 games

Sorry!

I still think a second round draft pick is good and pick 11 was optimistic

I hope Marty breaks through with the Swans - good luck Marty you'll have a few Crows fans watching more Swans games in 2007!

[sydney-dog]

Blue Boy

In regards to your friend who barracks for Norwood and the Crows and no longer goes to crows games...

Well tell him or her that the club is always bigger than the individual, I am just happy that we have one less uneducated / fickle crows supporter attending our games

To All

Those who believe Marty is worth of a first round draft pick, as the say in the Movie "The Castle" - tell him he's dreaming

First round draft picks are for Gun's, quality players that have built something on their football CV, whether that is All Australian selection, consistently in the clubs top 5-10 B&F, have the capability to play numerous roles, HB, HF, Midfield or if your a tall forward, back or ruck.....

Marty, obviously has his fans, he is very honest, however he is not worthy of a first round selection. FULL STOP

I wish the guy all the best, however he has his deficiencies as a footballer, no matter what position he lines up in.

In a nutshell, I am satidfied with pick #28, Grundy or Scmidt would of been some cream, however I will wait until the end of the trade / draft period before I access Adelaide's performance.

The crows have also target Melbourne's and the Bullie's second round picks, so potentially we could end up with four second round picks, which the crows could either use for trades with other players, or improve their position in the draft.

I mentioned earlier today, as reported, I believe Tim Boyle would be a good get, other seem to disagree, this guy is only 23yrs old, played 17 games this year and kicked 31.23 goals as a part time forward, Boyle definitely has a huge upside.

Finally,

Those who refer to Meesen, Perrie, Hudson and Mattner leaving as a mass exedous, get real..the very same people have said Adelaide need to make significant changes to their list..... on the players in specific

Perrie - realistically he has probably been told, you will either be traded or de-listed
Meesen - he obviously feels he can not push pass Maric, Griffen and Biglands in the pecking order, so he is looking for an easier ride to play AFL
Mattner - He wanted a contract extension from Adelaide, the Crows refused to negotiate until the end of his contract, so Marty accepted security in a three year contract with Sydney
Hudson - this has been discussed at length

Football clubs deal with these situations every year, players chasing opportunity, money or extra term to a contract..

[SCD]

Blue Boy

In regards to your friend who barracks for Norwood and the Crows and no longer goes to crows games...

Well tell him or her that the club is always bigger than the individual, I am just happy that we have one less uneducated / fickle crows supporter attending our games

To All

Those who believe Marty is worth of a first round draft pick, as the say in the Movie "The Castle" - tell him he's dreaming

First round draft picks are for Gun's, quality players that have built something on their football CV, whether that is All Australian selection, consistently in the clubs top 5-10 B&F, have the capability to play numerous roles, HB, HF, Midfield or if your a tall forward, back or ruck.....

Marty, obviously has his fans, he is very honest, however he is not worthy of a first round selection. FULL STOP

I wish the guy all the best, however he has his deficiencies as a footballer, no matter what position he lines up in.

In a nutshell, I am satidfied with pick #28, Grundy or Scmidt would of been some cream, however I will wait until the end of the trade / draft period before I access Adelaide's performance.

The crows have also target Melbourne's and the Bullie's second round picks, so potentially we could end up with four second round picks, which the crows could either use for trades with other players, or improve their position in the draft.

I mentioned earlier today, as reported, I believe Tim Boyle would be a good get, other seem to disagree, this guy is only 23yrs old, played 17 games this year and kicked 31.23 goals as a part time forward, Boyle definitely has a huge upside.

Finally,

Those who refer to Meesen, Perrie, Hudson and Mattner leaving as a mass exedous, get real..the very same people have said Adelaide need to make significant changes to their list..... on the players in specific

Perrie - realistically he has probably been told, you will either be traded or de-listed
Meesen - he obviously feels he can not push pass Maric, Griffen and Biglands in the pecking order, so he is looking for an easier ride to play AFL
Mattner - He wanted a contract extension from Adelaide, the Crows refused to negotiate until the end of his contract, so Marty accepted security in a three year contract with Sydney
Hudson - this has been discussed at length

Football clubs deal with these situations every year, players chasing opportunity, money or extra term to a contract..

The best post on the entire subject...
I am one supporter that would rather see the Club have a go in the draft or trade period rather then continue with players that are not going to be able to win us another premiership and as disappointed as I am to see Marty go (he's one of my favourites!) and would rather have seen Doughty go.. we need to be realistic and Marty as a fringe player isn't going to be a key to our next premiership.. the draft pick we got for him might be in 2 - 3 years time

[AFLflyer]

the dog - I agree aswell - fantastic post.

fickle supporters are not what the club needs. I like Mattner, but you are right 1st round draft picks are massive! he is not worthy, but will be a handy pick up for the swans.

crows supporters - think about it - what do you really want? if we get a few top 30 selections, possibly Holland which i just heard on the news - thats good trading, we knew we needed too.

this saying runs true with alot of the supporters in the footy club - your damned if you do and your damned if you don't. just wait and see what unfolds . You can't have it both ways!

[GWW]

the dog - I agree aswell - fantastic post.

fickle supporters are not what the club needs. I like Mattner, but you are right 1st round draft picks are massive! he is not worthy, but will be a handy pick up for the swans.

crows supporters - think about it - what do you really want? if we get a few top 30 selections, possibly Holland which i just heard on the news - thats good trading, we knew we needed too.

this saying runs true with alot of the supporters in the footy club - your damned if you do and your damned if you don't. just wait and see what unfolds . You can't have it both ways!

Whos this Holland you're referring to flyer?

[AFLflyer]

the dog - I agree aswell - fantastic post.

fickle supporters are not what the club needs. I like Mattner, but you are right 1st round draft picks are massive! he is not worthy, but will be a handy pick up for the swans.

crows supporters - think about it - what do you really want? if we get a few top 30 selections, possibly Holland which i just heard on the news - thats good trading, we knew we needed too.

this saying runs true with alot of the supporters in the footy club - your damned if you do and your damned if you don't. just wait and see what unfolds . You can't have it both ways!

Whos this Holland you're referring to flyer?

sorry mate - symes from Port - got no idea where i got holland from??

[overloaded]

I am one supporter that would rather see the Club have a go in the draft or trade period rather then continue with players that are not going to be able to win us another premiership

My point was that there are a few other players that I would have looked at before Mattner.
Might be shot down for this one but what the hell....I would have looked at trading Burton for a first round pick.

[Dirko]

I am one supporter that would rather see the Club have a go in the draft or trade period rather then continue with players that are not going to be able to win us another premiership

My point was that there are a few other players that I would have looked at before Mattner.
Might be shot down for this one but what the hell....I would have looked at trading Burton for a first round pick.

OL, I don't think any club would give a first round draft pick for Burton...

[another grub]

Fair call that OL..... Burton is a frontrunner and is not the type that helps win flags.... his selfish play and poor skills make him a burdon to the side on most occasions.... I know for a fact the guys dont rate him as a bloke and think he is arrogant.... He should be sent the same place as Perrie will be ....

A first round pick is a big WIN for the crows if they got that for Burton coz he aint worth shit!!!!


The crows have a heap that are worth nothing.....Shirley Dougherty Massie Bode Torney...... all border line players that arent worth nothing in trade week....

[CUTTERMAN]

Very sorry to see Marty go but in the end he's got a better deal for himself and a chance to live in Sydney for a while, not bad for a kid from Ki Ki. Still don't think he's been developed very well, definately a winger and I would've liked to see him on a half fwd flank for a while, good fwd defensive pressure, run and chase and hopefully get back to his excellent tackling which has gone out of his game. Pick 28 is fair but that depends who they get for that and what they do with them, bit worried about the Crows at the moment. RUN MARTY.... RUN. Expect to see him chasing down a few Crows players next year.

[silicone skyline]

Fair call that OL..... Burton is a frontrunner and is not the type that helps win flags.... his selfish play and poor skills make him a burdon to the side on most occasions.... I know for a fact the guys dont rate him as a bloke and think he is arrogant.... He should be sent the same place as Perrie will be ....

A first round pick is a big WIN for the crows if they got that for Burton coz he aint worth s***t!!!!


The crows have a heap that are worth nothing.....Shirley Dougherty Massie Bode Torney...... all border line players that arent worth nothing in trade week....

Every team has fringe players Grub.
But you're right in the crows having "a heap" of them.
And the players coming through aren't much better either.
I think Burton's ability classes him out of the fringe players category, IMO he would be in most team's starting 22. (this will cause a riot)
Mattner was one of my favourites at the Crows, but i agree, Mattner for second round pick, Crows, do your homework, find a player which will ACTUALLY DEVELOP into a top flight player and not a lurker in the shadows.
Look at the class of 2001.
Luke Ball, Luke Hodge, Dane Swan, Nick Dal Santo, James Bartel, Steve Johnson, Jarrad Waite, Sam Mitchell, Gary Ablett Jnr, Chris Judd etc etc.
The Crows got Brent Rielly, and two blokes called Ben Finnin and Jacob Schuback as their first three picks, while trading pick 28 for Ryan Fitzgerald.
It's this trade period they really have to knuckle down, get the best value they can from their picks.
They simply haven't done good enough in the past.

[Stumps]

I mentioned earlier today, as reported, I believe Tim Boyle would be a good get, other seem to disagree, this guy is only 23yrs old, played 17 games this year and kicked 31.23 goals as a part time forward, Boyle definitely has a huge upside.

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Sounds like mcregor and bock to me and both of them arent rated good enough to hold down a forward position- why is this bloke any different??

[finn]

i'd get boyle - probably worth a late second round mid third round pick - he at least hits the ball hard, has on ground capabilities and is relatively quick. boyle's year was pretty good until hamstrung - he's seemed to have developed confidence which is a key to consistent performance
perhaps if adelaide wanted to take long term view they should try to pry muston or dowler out of the hawks but would be stoked to get boyle.

[JK]

Excellent post Syd

[Hondo]

Reidy apparently ruled out any interest by the Crows in Boyle

[NFC]

Reidy apparently ruled out any interest by the Crows in Boyle

What about Murphy from Freo? For crying out loud Reid, go for him!

Anyway, no one is suggesting Mattner is worth a first round pick, I'm not sure where that has come from. All I and others are saying is that he's worth more than pick 28 and seeing as though he is contrcated I'm sure if we held tough we could've got a better deal.

[Blue Boy]

Blue Boy

In regards to your friend who barracks for Norwood and the Crows and no longer goes to crows games...

Well tell him or her that the club is always bigger than the individual, I am just happy that we have one less uneducated / fickle crows supporter attending our games

..

Syd

What you forget is that this person has an opinion in which they believe in - yes you can dispute it but it is there opinion.

I often dont agree with you as you dont with me - but to say someone is uneducated becuase of there opinion is probably the biggest load of codswollop you have ever come up with !!!

The crows do make mistakes Syd - my opinion !!!

[Blue Boy]

Just on all this matter as well !!!

I am more than happy with the decision to go with draft picks instead of recycled players - but if we get the kids I rekon we should play as many as possible !!!

[SBR]

Deverstated to see Mattner go, was one of my real favourites. Although i can understand the whole situation and what happened, both parties done what was best for their own interests.

Best of luck Marty