Crows vs Hawks

[Booney]

Surely you have the guts to at least name some one?

[JK]

Blue Boy

you keep milking the Mumbles comment re Franklin but you still have not nominated who you would of put on Buddy

More than likely Buddy would have dominated anyone else, but surely you at least have to find out? Roughhead had the yips at times yesterday and Buddy was always going to be priority number 1 danger man, so either Rutten or Stevens had to at least have a crack, it's not as if Massie is THAT quick.

I still think the result runs deeper than just Buddy's day out, doesn't do the Hawks credit and doesn't place enough emphasis on other Crow deficiencies.

I know some of the Adelaide fans here will defend Craigy to the hilt and thats loyal and great, but surely there are some doubts that must be lingering in the mind?

[sydney-dog]

Rutten and Bock too slow for Franklin

Stevens, well all your doing is swapping a like for like type of player, Massie is still a bit quicker then Stevens off the Mark

During the heat of the battle I was calling for a change, looking back now, their were no alternative options

I say again, their is no defender, not even scarlett or glass that would of stopped Buddy yesterday

the crows were good enough to force Buddy to shoot from outside 50, Buddy delivered, he is a superstar and would of delivered the same on any crows defender yesterday

[stan]

Surely you have the guts to at least name some one?

Ok Boon, Take the risk with Stevens from Boyle to Franklin. With Franklin, Roughhead and boyle running around down there its just about getting the most effect use out of Rutten, Bock and Stevens.

[JK]

Rutten and Bock too slow for Franklin

Stevens, well all your doing is swapping a like for like type of player, Massie is still a bit quicker then Stevens off the Mark

During the heat of the battle I was calling for a change, looking back now, their were no alternative options

I say again, their is no defender, not even scarlett or glass that would of stopped Buddy yesterday

the crows were good enough to force Buddy to shoot from outside 50, Buddy delivered, he is a superstar and would of delivered the same on any crows defender yesterday

I reckon you're right Syd, and "Robbing Peter to pay Paul" is fruaght with danger in football, but the point is you have to try something, you can't just sit there and let it unfold and say "oh well, we'll just have to HOPE he doesn't get any more" ... Try Burton, try Torney try anyone, but the point is, try something!!

[Blue Boy]

Blue Boy

you keep milking the Mumbles comment re Franklin but you still have not nominated who you would of put on Buddy

Yes I have SYD just have a read a little before your post !!!

[Blue Boy]

Surely you have the guts to at least name some one?

Hey Boon

Is that post for me ???

As i had already named some one !!!

[stan]

Surely you have the guts to at least name some one?

Hey Boon

Is that post for me ???

As i had already named some one !!!

Nah i think it was for me blues

[Booney]

It was for Stanley.

[sydney-dog]

Blue Boy

My apology

However Stevens, "yeah that would of made a difference"

Steven's is slower than Massie and not as strong, Steven's does have a height advantage however this was not the issue

[stan]

Blue Boy

My apology

However Stevens, "yeah that would of made a difference"

Steven's is slower than Massie and not as strong, Steven's does have a height advantage however this was not the issue

Im not saying that would have made the difference, im saying it was the only thing to try.

[Hondo]

If the siren had gone 30 seconds earlier we wouldn't even be having this conversation

[Hondo]

Besides, I remember several times Buddy was spoiled or lost a one on one contest with Massie - it just happened to be Buddy that kicked the winning goal leading to all this scrutiny

[sydney-dog]

the only other player I might of tried was Gill

Gill has the speed to go with Buddy, however, Roo and Welsh were not firing up forward, once again it would of been a massive ask of Gill

the crows forced Buddy to shoot from outside 50, sometimes 55-60m and the kid delivered, well played

[Aerie]

Besides, I remember several times Buddy was spoiled or lost a one on one contest with Massie - it just happened to be Buddy that kicked the winning goal leading to all this scrutiny

Didn't Franklin kick 3 goals in 5 minutes in the 2nd to get Hawthorn back in to the game and then kicked 3 in the last to win it for them? It wasn't just one goal.

Stevens was the obvious match up. Rutten could have been tried if that failed. Bock could have been tried if both of those failed. McGregor could have been tried if all of the above failed. I then would have tried Massie or Torney as a last resort...

[JK]

Besides, I remember several times Buddy was spoiled or lost a one on one contest with Massie - it just happened to be Buddy that kicked the winning goal leading to all this scrutiny

Didn't Franklin kick 3 goals in 5 minutes in the 2nd to get Hawthorn back in to the game and then kicked 3 in the last to win it for them? It wasn't just one goal.

Stevens was the obvious match up. Rutten could have been tried if that failed. Bock could have been tried if both of those failed. McGregor could have been tried if all of the above failed. I then would have tried Massie or Torney as a last resort...

Wouldn't have considered Burton as an option?

[Aerie]

Besides, I remember several times Buddy was spoiled or lost a one on one contest with Massie - it just happened to be Buddy that kicked the winning goal leading to all this scrutiny

Didn't Franklin kick 3 goals in 5 minutes in the 2nd to get Hawthorn back in to the game and then kicked 3 in the last to win it for them? It wasn't just one goal.

Stevens was the obvious match up. Rutten could have been tried if that failed. Bock could have been tried if both of those failed. McGregor could have been tried if all of the above failed. I then would have tried Massie or Torney as a last resort...

Wouldn't have considered Burton as an option?

I didn't consider it, no. But not a bad option. To be fair on Craig, I think he did try to double team Franklin with Bock and Massie in the last quarter and Franklin still beat both.

Like others have said, credit has to go to Franklin (what a star) and the Hawks for their win. They did deserve it. It's a shame the Crows couldn't win a final after their last three weeks and the possible pathway they could have had to the GF. An opportunity lost.

[JK]

Besides, I remember several times Buddy was spoiled or lost a one on one contest with Massie - it just happened to be Buddy that kicked the winning goal leading to all this scrutiny

Didn't Franklin kick 3 goals in 5 minutes in the 2nd to get Hawthorn back in to the game and then kicked 3 in the last to win it for them? It wasn't just one goal.

Stevens was the obvious match up. Rutten could have been tried if that failed. Bock could have been tried if both of those failed. McGregor could have been tried if all of the above failed. I then would have tried Massie or Torney as a last resort...

Wouldn't have considered Burton as an option?

I didn't consider it, no. But not a bad option. To be fair on Craig, I think he did try to double team Franklin with Bock and Massie in the last quarter and Franklin still beat both.

Like others have said, credit has to go to Franklin (what a star) and the Hawks for their win. They did deserve it. It's a shame the Crows couldn't win a final after their last three weeks and the possible pathway they could have had to the GF. An opportunity lost.

Agreed, the Hawks faced a few defining moments where the game could have been lost .. But instead they dug deep and prevented the Crows from closing the door, a gutsy win.

[sydney-dog]

In regards to the Birdman, I have some real concerns

Burton's strength has always been his running capability and his leap, now he has two dodgey knee's which affect both his leap and running capability

unless the Birdman can get those knee's right and get back to his running game, I am not confident on his role in the team

[GWW]

Kenny is worth trade consideration, however both clubs and players need to benefit

Richmond and WB are believed to be interested, would the Tigers be prepared to offer young Edwards or Hughes, or would the WB consider one of their quality runners like Griffen, Ray, Hahn or McMahon

I dont think theres any way in the world the WB would trade Griffin for someone like McGregor, there would need to be additional players and draft pick sweeteners and even then i dont think it would happen. Likewise Edwards, i doubt the Tigers would let him go for McGregor who is injury prone and probably realistically has 3 years maximum left in the AFL system. McMahon could be a chance or maybe Hahn, but i'd say definitely not any quality young midfielders.