by morell » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:09 pm
by the milky bar kid » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:23 pm
morell wrote:There is definitely a difference between "voice" and "communication"
As in:
"******* hell Smithy! Man up"
"cmon Smithy! attack the ball! go in hard!"
"SMITHY SMITHY SMITHY SMITHY"
"HANDS HANDS HANDS HANDS"
"KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK"
AND
"they're running ahead of the ball, Smithy - be the spare man at the back of the pack for the quick hands"
One is what I am referring to, and is what I believe coaches and captains refer to when they say "lift the voice out there". The other is a coaching or leadership instruction, and is in turn related to structure.
by cracka » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:29 pm
by morell » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:48 pm
You see I just don't buy any of this and it is the exact sort of thinking I am basing this Myth on.the milky bar kid wrote:I find for many, that voice also increases player intensity & focus. Go to any training or game, when skills are down, the voice is 98% of the time is way down as well.
Voice can also be a confidence thing. I'm not talking sledging here, but when you are down in a game & you still have positive voice bouncing around it can have a significant role in increasing the belief of the players around you that you can change the games direction.
by morell » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:53 pm
by Mr Beefy » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:57 pm
by morell » Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:59 pm
by Q. » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:16 pm
by Yank Man » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:26 pm
Q. wrote:Some players are individually focused, others feed off the intensity they expel and others feed off the intensity expelled by other players. Constant vocal banter is a good thing even if it does nothing for a portion of the group.
by Q. » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:32 pm
by Pag » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:19 pm
morell wrote:So I have been politely told that insurance is batshit boring, and to get into more entertaining topics. Such as ..
morell's myths!!! *applause*
For those playing at home, this is what we're up to:morell's Myths!
1. You play the way you train.
2. Pre-seasons are really important in amateur football.
3. Stretching achieves anything, ever.
4. Every club pays players.
5. Getting to a game early allows for a superior preparation.
6. Business slacks make you a more professional and disciplined club.
7. Strapping does anything, ever.
8. Outside players are soft.
9. Going up a division attracts better quality players and people.
I think it's now time for number 10!
10. Voice and communication is REALLY important
Complete myth! It always gets trotted out at training and before games - "lift your voice lads" , "even if you're not getting the ball, still use your voice" , "there's no voice out there, lets lift it up!" etc
I reckon every coach I have ever had has used this mantra, it's as if they think that yelling something across the field magically turns spud footballers into Ablett - like some sort of Harry Potter spell.
Give me 21 talented, motivated, smart, strong, young footballers with each position covered in a decent structure and rip out their voiceboxes. Copy and paste them but downgrade them all slightly so they're a bit shorter, a bit weaker, replace the CHB with a softi-ish flanker and take out the Full Forward and replace with stubby type. If they played each other the voiceless ones would win 99 times out of 100.
Now that's not to say one shouldn't yell out "mine!" or "you're hot", but to make it such a large focus is disproportionate to it's actual impact on gameday. I know personally I often don't hear voice if i'm concentrating on the ball. There are so many voices out there that its almost impossible to delineate what is the correct thing to listen to and what isn't. And that's if the person yelling out incoherent mumbo jumbo gets it right anyway.
Classic example is a game I played recently, we're were getting a bit of a towel up so I moved to a loose man in defense. I am sitting in front of the full forward and the ball comes in - I hear clearly "You're right Morgs! You're right morgs! You're right". So of course I think OK, I will sit here and take an easy mark, because.... I was OK and in the clear, right? The full forward glides over the top and takes a mark as I sat there looking like a moron. I turned and laughed and said "I thought you said I was right?!?!" Full back replies - "yeah I meant that you wouldn't get cleaned up so you could attack it". Right. I would have been better off not hearing anything and just assuming I needed to attack it.
I wonder how many times voice helps, and how many times voice distracts?
I think it's a case, as with many of morell's myths, that we don't see the forest for the trees. We focus on tiny little minutiae that in the grand scheme of things don't matter.
inb4 - this is why Mitchell Park are 1-5 in D7, because you don't use your voice.
by LaughingKookaburra » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:21 pm
by The Bedge » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:54 am
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by The Bedge » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:58 am
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by The Bedge » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:04 am
morell wrote:How on earth does voice increase focus? If anything I would've thought be yelled at by 4 different people from 4 different angles all saying something different would have the complete opposite impact.
If a player needs to be yelled at on the ground to get his intensity right, then I would question both the player and the coach in regards to their mental aptitude (from a playing football perspective of course) - intensity comes from mental strength - which is for many people, something generated from within..
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by twobob » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:07 am
by Footy Chick » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:11 am
Zartan wrote:Oh also i've always felt that using voice or talking in general at training can help create a level of comfort amongst a group, help make those who are shy and not big talkers feel better and come out of their shell (not all of course).
Get a new bloke come out to training and it's dead quiet i imagine would make the experience feel a little awkward and out of place.
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by The Bedge » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:34 am
Footy Chick wrote:and you love the sound of your own voice
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by Jetters » Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:13 pm
Q. wrote:Some players are individually focused, others feed off the intensity they expel and others feed off the intensity expelled by other players. Constant vocal banter is a good thing even if it does nothing for a portion of the group.
by the milky bar kid » Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:19 pm
Q. wrote:Constructive talk gets you possessions too. If you're vocal about positioning, other players are aware of your presence and you become an instinctive option to them.
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