AFL 1-16 2007 MINOR ROUND FINISH

[sydney-dog]

Blue Boy

In regards to AC player depth I think it's pretty good, not as good as the eagles but better then most clubs.

When I look at depth I look at players from #25 to # 35 on the list, can they come in and play a role if required, in this bracket I feel the crows have players who can come in and be strong contributors, I am not sure how many clubs have this depth.

If I was to pick my best 22 when fit it would look like this

F BOCK ROO BODE
HF BURTON PERRIE MACCA
C DOUGHTY GOODWIN KNIGHTS
HB VAN BERLO MCGREGOR BASSETT
B JOHNCOCK RUTTEN MATTNER
IR HUDSON SHIRLEY EDWARDS
INT GRIFFEN THOMPSON RIELLEY WELSH

Obviously some members may disagree and rightfully so, how do you fit in players like Massie, Torney, Proplyzia, and Stevens

Then there's the young group in Hinge, Douglas, Maric, Meesen Vince, Tippett, Pfeiffer and McKay, I am extremely confident the club has 3 or 4 boys in this group ready to step up when required, I am looking forward to seeing some youth in the side

Finally, then there is Gill, Campbell and Archard, I have not seen too much of these boys but the club identified Campbell as a player who could step straight in as a defensive midfield and Gill as secruity for our forwards

Summary, I feel pretty comfortable with the clubs list

[Adelaide Hawk]

I believe this talk of "depth" is a fallacy. All of the 16 clubs possess as many league standard players as each other, but where they differ is the class of their first 10-12 players. The next 15-20 players at West Coast would be no better than at a lower club. The reason their fringe players appear better is because they play in a good side. Put some of those players into the Carlton team, and suddenly they don't look as good.

I recall in the 1980s, everyone went on about the fact that no matter who Hawthorn picked, they turned out to be ready made league players. They would come into the side, get on the end of some precision team work, and finish off. When some of them were cleared to lower clubs, they showed they weren't as good as they appeared with Hawthorn. A classic example was Dean Anderson. Came into the team and starred, everyone rated him as the next Michael Tuck. Went to St.Kilda where he had to do more work, and he wasn't up to it.

[sydney-dog]

Adelaide Hawk

your have got to be kidding, your saying, player 13 to 30 on Carlton's or Richmond's list is as good as the Eagles....

My view, there is little that seperates most clubs top 6 - 8 players, after that it is all about depth and quality on your list, this is one reason we have blow outs in the score, because the lower sides do not have the quality and depth across the team,

Top sides have quality on every line, the bottom sides have a lot more gaps to plug due to the lack of depth

My view, you have your theory up side down

[Adelaide Hawk]

Adelaide Hawk

your have got to be kidding, your saying, player 13 to 30 on Carlton's or Richmond's list is as good as the Eagles....

My view, there is little that seperates most clubs top 6 - 8 players, after that it is all about depth and quality on your list, this is one reason we have blow outs in the score, because the lower sides do not have the quality and depth across the team,

Top sides have quality on every line, the bottom sides have a lot more gaps to plug due to the lack of depth

My view, you have your theory up side down

So you are saying that in 2006, the best 8 players at West Coast were of equal standard to the best 8 at Carlton? Don't think so.

[sydney-dog]

Adelaide Hawk

No I don't think Carlton's top 6 is as good as the eagles, but I also believe the gap gets greater further you go down Carlton's list

The Saints are a good example

Is Riewoldt, Ball, Hayes, Da Santo, Harvey, Goddard, Gehrig and Hamill, when fit is as good top 8 players going around, except maybe the eagles, but in my view the Saints players from about player 16 to 25 is not as strong as the Eagles or Sydney and this is the gap in between the two sides

In summary, the difference between top and bottom is across the board, but when you start comparing the top side with sides outside the top 4 or on the fringe of the 8, in my view the gap is not caused within the top 6 players but more so by the quality of players which are on the bench

I always look at the interchange bench to gauge the overal quality of a side

[Blue Boy]

Blue Boy

In regards to AC player depth I think it's pretty good, not as good as the eagles but better then most clubs.

When I look at depth I look at players from #25 to # 35 on the list, can they come in and play a role if required, in this bracket I feel the crows have players who can come in and be strong contributors, I am not sure how many clubs have this depth.

If I was to pick my best 22 when fit it would look like this

F BOCK ROO BODE
HF BURTON PERRIE MACCA
C DOUGHTY GOODWIN KNIGHTS
HB VAN BERLO MCGREGOR BASSETT
B JOHNCOCK RUTTEN MATTNER
IR HUDSON SHIRLEY EDWARDS
INT GRIFFEN THOMPSON RIELLEY WELSH

Obviously some members may disagree and rightfully so, how do you fit in players like Massie, Torney, Proplyzia, and Stevens

Then there's the young group in Hinge, Douglas, Maric, Meesen Vince, Tippett, Pfeiffer and McKay, I am extremely confident the club has 3 or 4 boys in this group ready to step up when required, I am looking forward to seeing some youth in the side

Finally, then there is Gill, Campbell and Archard, I have not seen too much of these boys but the club identified Campbell as a player who could step straight in as a defensive midfield and Gill as secruity for our forwards

Summary, I feel pretty comfortable with the clubs list

Syd

Probably not far off the best 22 - I will give you that and I am also okay with the list !!!

But 3 or 4 players to miss out after that is not depth - if we could mention 8-10 players that would be unlucky to miss out I would then say we are in the top 3 clubs for player depth.

[sydney-dog]

Blue Boy

Fair Point, the quality of depth will depend on the progress of Hinge, Douglas, Maric, Meesen Vince, Tippett, Pfeiffer, McIntyre, Gill, Campbell and Archard

If 4 or 5 of these blokes can step up then the crows look ok

[Hondo]

My top 8 prediction at this very early stage is:

West Coast
Adelaide
St Kilda
Fremantle
Sydney
Bulldogs
Geelong
Melbourne

Close to 8: Port, Hawthorn, Kangaroos, Richmond

Building for 2008: Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane, Collingwood

Very hard to call so early on. Every year one team surprises everyone .... maybe this year's 'smokey' big improver might be the Lions or Essendon?

[sydney-dog]

hondo71

with all the hot air coming out of windy hill over the summer, the Bombers definitely rate thier finals chances and expect a quick rise up the table, In victoria they are the heaviest backed team over the summer, I am not sure why

The Pies will struggle, with Tarrant traded, the expectation on Russling was huge, now unfortunately he too will miss most of the season, with Rocca struggling, the Pies may regret the Tarrant trade

[Zorro]

My top 8 prediction at this very early stage is:

West Coast
Adelaide
St Kilda
Fremantle
Sydney
Bulldogs
Geelong
Melbourne

Close to 8: Port, Hawthorn, Kangaroos, Richmond

Building for 2008: Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane, Collingwood

Very hard to call so early on. Every year one team surprises everyone .... maybe this year's 'smokey' big improver might be the Lions or Essendon?

Hondo, that's spot on I reckon although I'm not sold that the Crows and Saints will finish as high. Port, Essendon and Brisbane may be the challengers to get in.

[mal]

S/DOG has warned you all about Esheedydon.
They have a few older stars who need to stay fit.
If LLOYD gets injured, the spoon not a finals berth is most likely

[Mr66]

OK lets go...here's my stab in the dark..

1/Adelaide(ooh that hurts!)
2/Fremantle
3/Melbourne
4/Western Bulldogs
5/Sydney
6/West Coast
7/Richmond
8/Hawthorn
9/Geelong
10/Collingwood
11/Brisbane
12/Kangaroos
13/Port Adelaide
14/St.Kilda
15/Essendon
16/Carlton(stay there another year ya bludgers!)

and with a 100% error factor.

[Macca19]

http://afl.allthestats.com/misc/ladderpredict.php

Ladder predictor

# Team Pl W L D PF PA Pt Perc
3 Fremantle 22 17 5 0 2420 1980 68 122.2
1 West Coast 22 16 6 0 2444 1956 64 124.9
7 Melbourne 22 16 6 0 2324 2076 64 111.9
2 Adelaide 22 15 7 0 2398 2002 60 119.7
4 Sydney 22 13 9 0 2302 2098 52 109.7
10 Geelong 22 13 9 0 2278 2122 52 107.3
8 W Bulldogs 22 12 10 0 2236 2164 48 103.3
12 Port Adel 22 11 11 0 2136 2264 44 94.3

11 Hawthorn 22 10 12 0 2180 2220 40 98.1
6 St Kilda 22 10 12 0 2158 2242 40 96.2
13 Bris Lions 22 8 14 0 2118 2282 32 92.8
5 Collingwood 22 8 14 0 2077 2323 32 89.4
15 Essendon 22 8 14 0 2069 2331 32 88.7
14 Kangaroos 22 7 15 0 2088 2312 28 90.3
16 Carlton 22 6 16 0 2000 2400 24 83.3
9 Richmond 22 6 16 0 1972 2428 24 81.2

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[Mr66]

What?! No draws, Macca?

[Rik E Boy]

OK lets go...here's my stab in the dark..

1/Adelaide(ooh that hurts!)
2/Fremantle
3/Melbourne
4/Western Bulldogs
5/Sydney
6/West Coast
7/Richmond
8/Hawthorn
9/Geelong
10/Collingwood
11/Brisbane
12/Kangaroos
13/Port Adelaide
14/St.Kilda
15/Essendon
16/Carlton(stay there another year ya bludgers!)

and with a 100% error factor.

Oi 66 are you a Saints man? If so then you have even more self hate than us Cat supporters! Here is my 100% error factor response..

1. Adelaide: No way. The rucks are shit.
3. Melbourne: Couldn't win a chook raffle on the road and as such won't finish third. Seriously soft.
6. West Coast: I would love them to finish here but sadly I can't see it happening.
7. Richmond are shit.
12. Kangaroos in real trouble now that Thompson has gone down. Probably get the spoon from here.
14. St Kilda: Leave the kiss of death stuff to me, they'll finish about 5th I reckon.

regards,

REB

[Adelaide Hawk]

As much as I think this is an exercise in futility, I'll have a go anyway:

1 Fremantle
2 Western Bulldogs
3 West Coast
4 Sydney
5 Port Adelaide
6 St.Kilda
7 Melbourne
8 Geelong

9 Adelaide
10 Hawthorn
11 Brisbane Lions
12 Richmond
13 Collingwood
14 Carlton
15 Essendon
16 Kangaroos

I only went for the Roos at 16th after Thompson was ruled out for the year. Bottom may be the place to be at the end of 2007 to win the Chris Judd Cup.

[Mr66]

Yes I am REB.

[Dutchy]

1.WC
2.SS
3.GE
4.AC
5.ML
6.FR
7.WB
8.SK
---------
09.PP
10.CO
11.BL
12.HW
13.RI
14.ES
15.CA
16.KA

GE will get off to a flyer and be top after 7 games, the big improver of 2007
FR will start slow
SK will start slow
WC will start fast , finish fast and win the 2007 AFL flag
ES are over-rated just ask SD.

time to revisit this baby....not bad predicting Mal!!!

[Dutchy]

Geelong at 3? Really?

Unfortunately I have to agree with Eddie McGuire on this one. He said the other day that anyone who thinks they can accurately tip a final 16 before the season starts is full of it. Too many variances can play a part as the season unfolds.

AH I will give you a bet that cant lose.
If you think predicting on a 1-16 is full of it then I will make this offer.

IF KA BEAT WC HOME IN 2007 MINOR ROUND
MAL will buy AH a carton of beer
MAL will not post for the rest of 2007 on SAFOOTY after the last round if KA beat WC home.
AH all you have to do is NOTHING.

A gentle reminder Mal...No Cousins, Kerr, Embley & Judd....could it happen??? not only will we lose Adelaide Hawk but Mal as well!!!!

[mal]

Geelong at 3? Really?

Unfortunately I have to agree with Eddie McGuire on this one. He said the other day that anyone who thinks they can accurately tip a final 16 before the season starts is full of it. Too many variances can play a part as the season unfolds.

AH I will give you a bet that cant lose.
If you think predicting on a 1-16 is full of it then I will make this offer.

IF KA BEAT WC HOME IN 2007 MINOR ROUND
MAL will buy AH a carton of beer
MAL will not post for the rest of 2007 on SAFOOTY after the last round if KA beat WC home.
AH all you have to do is NOTHING.

A gentle reminder Mal...No Cousins, Kerr, Embley & Judd....could it happen??? not only will we lose Adelaide Hawk but Mal as well!!!!

Still got 13 rounds left

AH looks silly as well....