HFL Division 1 (Central)

[dangermouse]

Aceman, comparing Hills footy, or in fact any country league to the Amateurs is an argument that is not well thought out. Why do think there are many more one sided results in the HFL compared to the Amateurs? Do you think it has something to do with the relegation system in the SAAFL? Crap teams get relegated, better ones come up, and therefore the weak are weeded out leaving a more even competition year to year. Here is a hypothetical- what if you stopped the relegation system now, and have a look in ten years how even div one and two are? Five years ago Goodwood Saints were playing Pooraka in divvy 1, who are now in div 4- How one sided do you think that game would be? 30 goals? Similar results would be seen if any one the top div 1 clubs played Pooraka, Kilburn or Woodville South, who have all be in div 1 at least once in the last decade. The strength of country footy leagues can only be measure fairly by looking at the top 4 to five clubs. Last year’s HFL top four, Uraidla, Blackwood, Hahndorf and MT Lofty would take it right up to any div 2 team, and give most div 1 teams a run for their money. Teams like Bridgwater or Lobey would probably be around the div 4 to five mark on a good day. Of course there are going to lop-sided results when you have teams competing with such a massive talent gulf between them. If you were able to replace Lobey and Bridgy with Torrens Valley and Kersbrook it would be a much more even comp. I love the amateur system; it makes for great contests in most games, every week. It would be great if the HFL could adopt a similar system but due to the disparity between HFL clubs junior ranks this will not happen in the near future. The SAAFL does not have to worry about scheduling juniors in sync with seniors, the HFL does.

[spot on]

A very good post dangermouse 100% correct. Unfortuately in the SFL where I am involved only one division exists (as you are no doubt aware of) so out problem of a lop sided competition cannot be fixed, the powers to be are too pig headed to revert back to two divisions. At Morphett Vale where I am it is not much fun winning by large margins most weeks.

[Saint]

So i hear D Cupido is a good chance 2 be running around subway stadium next year, any one else heard this?

[MONTE CRISTO]

Aceman - what planet are you on? The standard in the HFL has picked up considerably since your boys were at Mt Barker. I've watched the Amateurs so can speak from some experience and you might get a shock. This year Uraidla had over half their side with SANFL experience and would be very surprised if they couldn't make the A1 finals in the Amateurs.

In answer to your question, anyone can nominate for the Presidents job in the HFL. However you need to have someone second the nomination and then the clubs vote on it. If someone has an agenda and is smart enough to pull the wool over all clubs eyes they can get in. However it hasn't happened, yet!

[magpiemaster]

those goats have made an offer on cupido. i hear its massive as well. they have plenty of points left so why not. but i hear the money is close to what the cheif is getting, maybe even more.

So i hear D Cupido is a good chance 2 be running around subway stadium next year, any one else heard this?

[has been]

The chief and the cupido playing cards together at thunderpark. He wont be a devil he's already signed elsewhere and has some money in the pocket to keep him going. House etc provided.

[Afterthesiren]

When does pre-season begin at Thunderpark?

[Amateur Footy]

When does pre-season begin at Thunderpark?

Thursday for 3 sessions before Xmas to get some run in the legs. Then back on 12th Jan for the real stuff.

[aceman]

Aceman, comparing Hills footy, or in fact any country league to the Amateurs is an argument that is not well thought out. Why do think there are many more one sided results in the HFL compared to the Amateurs? Do you think it has something to do with the relegation system in the SAAFL? Crap teams get relegated, better ones come up, and therefore the weak are weeded out leaving a more even competition year to year. Here is a hypothetical- what if you stopped the relegation system now, and have a look in ten years how even div one and two are? Five years ago Goodwood Saints were playing Pooraka in divvy 1, who are now in div 4- How one sided do you think that game would be? 30 goals? Similar results would be seen if any one the top div 1 clubs played Pooraka, Kilburn or Woodville South, who have all be in div 1 at least once in the last decade. The strength of country footy leagues can only be measure fairly by looking at the top 4 to five clubs. Last year’s HFL top four, Uraidla, Blackwood, Hahndorf and MT Lofty would take it right up to any div 2 team, and give most div 1 teams a run for their money. Teams like Bridgwater or Lobey would probably be around the div 4 to five mark on a good day. Of course there are going to lop-sided results when you have teams competing with such a massive talent gulf between them. If you were able to replace Lobey and Bridgy with Torrens Valley and Kersbrook it would be a much more even comp. I love the amateur system; it makes for great contests in most games, every week. It would be great if the HFL could adopt a similar system but due to the disparity between HFL clubs junior ranks this will not happen in the near future. The SAAFL does not have to worry about scheduling juniors in sync with seniors, the HFL does.

Do not disagree with those thoughts one bit DM but was responding to a statement from MC re getting up to watch a bit of Hills footy as it is "better than the garbage served up in the amateurs". The standard of football in Div 1 SAAFL is much better IMO than HFL and we all know the reason why. I also know that in 1995/96 footy in the Hills was of a lesser standard than present because the ex SANFL players weren't in the recruiting mix as they are now. I do still see some Hills games and my original statement still stands, so unless or until the HFL adopts a similar process of promotion & relegation, the tough games every week will not be present in the HFL There are no easy games in Div 1 SAAFL as in the HFL. I bet Uraidla would pencil in every season, wins against Loby & Bridgewater,as would Kersbrook & TV against CUE, Maccy and others, you can't do that in the SAAFL as the strength of the clubs doesn't allow it. Am well aware of the strength of clubs like Uraidla but am speaking competition in total, not isolated clubs.
For the benefit of MC, over & out from planet Adelaide.

[devilsadvocate]

Just out of curiosity, how long has Fechner been in charge of Loby?

I don't know him, or even know who he is, but looking at the performance of Lobethal on the field and also looking at comments on here earlier this year and last year regarding the clubs off field issues, there has to be some issues with those running the club?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but judging purely by Lobethals current predicament, is this a path we want the league to take?

Owen's not been perfect no, but the league has become one of the strongest regional comps in the state.

[Silky skills]

So i hear D Cupido is a good chance 2 be running around subway stadium next year, any one else heard this?

Yeah cupido is playing at lofty, anyone who doesnt believe should head to the Bridgey Inn tonight and have a look for cupido talking with the recruiting manager and loftys coach and looking to sign on the dotted line for a LAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE amount, and thats straight from damian himself

[Silky skills]

Anyone heard the Matty Cooper to Onkas rumour???
very strong rumour going around the HFC that he's left...

[shoe boy]

Do not disagree with those thoughts one bit DM but was responding to a statement from MC re getting up to watch a bit of Hills footy as it is "better than the garbage served up in the amateurs". The standard of football in Div 1 SAAFL is much better IMO than HFL and we all know the reason why. I also know that in 1995/96 footy in the Hills was of a lesser standard than present because the ex SANFL players weren't in the recruiting mix as they are now. I do still see some Hills games and my original statement still stands, so unless or until the HFL adopts a similar process of promotion & relegation, the tough games every week will not be present in the HFL There are no easy games in Div 1 SAAFL as in the HFL. I bet Uraidla would pencil in every season, wins against Loby & Bridgewater,as would Kersbrook & TV against CUE, Maccy and others, you can't do that in the SAAFL as the strength of the clubs doesn't allow it. Am well aware of the strength of clubs like Uraidla but am speaking competition in total, not isolated clubs.
For the benefit of MC, over & out from planet Adelaide.[/quote]

Aceman,
At least in the Hills or SFL you get to play in front of a crowed and have good atmosphere unlike the SAAFL where you are lucky to have a man and his dog watching.

[aceman]

Do not disagree with those thoughts one bit DM but was responding to a statement from MC re getting up to watch a bit of Hills footy as it is "better than the garbage served up in the amateurs". The standard of football in Div 1 SAAFL is much better IMO than HFL and we all know the reason why. I also know that in 1995/96 footy in the Hills was of a lesser standard than present because the ex SANFL players weren't in the recruiting mix as they are now. I do still see some Hills games and my original statement still stands, so unless or until the HFL adopts a similar process of promotion & relegation, the tough games every week will not be present in the HFL There are no easy games in Div 1 SAAFL as in the HFL. I bet Uraidla would pencil in every season, wins against Loby & Bridgewater,as would Kersbrook & TV against CUE, Maccy and others, you can't do that in the SAAFL as the strength of the clubs doesn't allow it. Am well aware of the strength of clubs like Uraidla but am speaking competition in total, not isolated clubs.
For the benefit of MC, over & out from planet Adelaide.

Aceman,
At least in the Hills or SFL you get to play in front of a crowed and have good atmosphere unlike the SAAFL where you are lucky to have a man and his dog watching.[/quote]


Not even in the discussion but you are partly correct, I'm talking about the standard of football. That's a big advantage country footy has but has nought to do with the quality of games.

[aceman]

Do not disagree with those thoughts one bit DM but was responding to a statement from MC re getting up to watch a bit of Hills footy as it is "better than the garbage served up in the amateurs". The standard of football in Div 1 SAAFL is much better IMO than HFL and we all know the reason why. I also know that in 1995/96 footy in the Hills was of a lesser standard than present because the ex SANFL players weren't in the recruiting mix as they are now. I do still see some Hills games and my original statement still stands, so unless or until the HFL adopts a similar process of promotion & relegation, the tough games every week will not be present in the HFL There are no easy games in Div 1 SAAFL as in the HFL. I bet Uraidla would pencil in every season, wins against Loby & Bridgewater,as would Kersbrook & TV against CUE, Maccy and others, you can't do that in the SAAFL as the strength of the clubs doesn't allow it. Am well aware of the strength of clubs like Uraidla but am speaking competition in total, not isolated clubs.
For the benefit of MC, over & out from planet Adelaide.

Aceman,
At least in the Hills or SFL you get to play in front of a crowed and have good atmosphere unlike the SAAFL where you are lucky to have a man and his dog watching.[/quote]


Maybe the powers in control can 'arrange rather than boycott' a tri-series, SAAFL,SFL & HFL and see what happens. I know where my money would go. Probably even play it at Noarlunga just for you eh!

[Zipper]

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Anyone heard the Matty Cooper to Onkas rumour???
very strong rumour going around the HFC that he's left...

I have heard that there was a bit of pressure put on him to leave the club. Not surprising really.

[shoe boy]

No that would be Old Noarlunga the "Shoe"

[Rooster]

[

Anyone heard the Matty Cooper to Onkas rumour???
very strong rumour going around the HFC that he's left...

I have heard that there was a bit of pressure put on him to leave the club. Not surprising really.

why not surprising?... excuse my ignorance.

[The Note Book]

Aceman, comparing Hills footy, or in fact any country league to the Amateurs is an argument that is not well thought out. Why do think there are many more one sided results in the HFL compared to the Amateurs? Do you think it has something to do with the relegation system in the SAAFL? Crap teams get relegated, better ones come up, and therefore the weak are weeded out leaving a more even competition year to year. Here is a hypothetical- what if you stopped the relegation system now, and have a look in ten years how even div one and two are? Five years ago Goodwood Saints were playing Pooraka in divvy 1, who are now in div 4- How one sided do you think that game would be? 30 goals? Similar results would be seen if any one the top div 1 clubs played Pooraka, Kilburn or Woodville South, who have all be in div 1 at least once in the last decade. The strength of country footy leagues can only be measure fairly by looking at the top 4 to five clubs. Last year’s HFL top four, Uraidla, Blackwood, Hahndorf and MT Lofty would take it right up to any div 2 team, and give most div 1 teams a run for their money. Teams like Bridgwater or Lobey would probably be around the div 4 to five mark on a good day. Of course there are going to lop-sided results when you have teams competing with such a massive talent gulf between them. If you were able to replace Lobey and Bridgy with Torrens Valley and Kersbrook it would be a much more even comp. I love the amateur system; it makes for great contests in most games, every week. It would be great if the HFL could adopt a similar system but due to the disparity between HFL clubs junior ranks this will not happen in the near future. The SAAFL does not have to worry about scheduling juniors in sync with seniors, the HFL does.

Do not disagree with those thoughts one bit DM but was responding to a statement from MC re getting up to watch a bit of Hills footy as it is "better than the garbage served up in the amateurs". The standard of football in Div 1 SAAFL is much better IMO than HFL and we all know the reason why. I also know that in 1995/96 footy in the Hills was of a lesser standard than present because the ex SANFL players weren't in the recruiting mix as they are now. I do still see some Hills games and my original statement still stands, so unless or until the HFL adopts a similar process of promotion & relegation, the tough games every week will not be present in the HFL There are no easy games in Div 1 SAAFL as in the HFL. I bet Uraidla would pencil in every season, wins against Loby & Bridgewater,as would Kersbrook & TV against CUE, Maccy and others, you can't do that in the SAAFL as the strength of the clubs doesn't allow it. Am well aware of the strength of clubs like Uraidla but am speaking competition in total, not isolated clubs.
For the benefit of MC, over & out from planet Adelaide.

It is always a hot topic comparing league's in regards to where the best footy is played, biggest crowds, best teams, etc...but the truth is even if there was a 'tri-series' it would never give a true indication of the level of competition within the league itself. If Mt Lofty played Goodwood do you think either team would really care or put out there best teams? Doubt it... for they would probably have more to lose than gain (eg injuries, etc) then when one team won, the another would have all the excuses as to why they lost. Nothing compares to a locate derby match & i can g'tee if one team was on top & the another on the bottom of the ladder you will always have a great game due to pure emotion, regardless of which league you played in. I played footy in Melb & some of the best comp's over there are where the most rivals are...where you can build up the rivals over time, hence i believe one league, one division is probably the best way to go & in regards to those team always at the bottom i think that is up to the league to sort out finanically or which ever way best fits to get them competitive again....

[Rooster]

sad day today as Steven 'Maxie' Walker will be buried after his tragic death last week... played for the Roosters for many years and also Callington I believe for one... most opposition players would remember him as the guy sitting in the forward pocket, that even though he carried a few extra Kg's and was about 4'11... was almost impossible to tackle and could kick goals from any angle, never missed a target with his delivery either... i personally remember him diving in head first to help me out when i had about 4 Kersbrook brutes hanging off of me!!
a great guy, and a tragic loss, particularly for his two young sons.
RIP Steven Walker.