Evolution V Religion

[Pseudo]

[am Bays]

Try telling that to the Port supporters who saw Russell Ebert play....

[dedja]

9 pages in 8 hours?

Anyway, each to his own. I'm an open atheist and evolutionist. That's my business.

Whatever you choose is your business.

I promise I won't try to change your beliefs and if you do the same for me, all is sweet.

OK, done deal ... thread can now be closed.

[am Bays]

9 pages in 8 hours?

Anyway, each to his own. I'm an open atheist and evolutionist. That's my business.

Whatever you choose is your business.

I promise I won't try to change your beliefs and if you do the same for me, all is sweet.

OK, done deal ... thread can now be closed.

I'm agnostic and even then I'm not sure...

[Il Duce]

9 pages in 8 hours?

Anyway, each to his own. I'm an open atheist and evolutionist. That's my business.

Whatever you choose is your business.

I promise I won't try to change your beliefs and if you do the same for me, all is sweet.

OK, done deal ... thread can now be closed.

Deal done, even though I also have been saying the same thing.

[Hondo]

Mrs Hondo tells me it's about faith. To her, I am a non believer. To me, I have an open mind. I say we'll both eventually find out what's true. Her side of the family is more religous than I have been exposed to before which is why I find myself in discussions that make me think a lot more about it.

On other posts so far, I don't think religion is a sham because some people hide behind religous beliefs to justify abhorrent acts or some people within the church succumb to human weaknesses. To me, that says more about the human race than it does about religion.

[BlueRose]

I don't really have a problem with believing in a god but Catholicism?!

A baby dies before it's baptised so spends eternity in pergatory? Sorry, all a bit silly.

If there is a god he'd be clever enough to agree with me anyway.

[Q.]

We all believe what we want to believe. Question everything.


The one problem I have with religion is it's interference in socio-political decision making. Separation of church and State please.

[the big bang]

I do, yes. History books dont tell the same story in umpteen different versions though, do they?

We could go on like this forever, well, not forever, but you know.

The basis of my non-belief is there is too much pain/sorrow in this world and if there is anyone taking care of us he/she is doing a crap job.

i'm right there with you boondogg.

my dad died when i was 4, my sister barely 2. that left my mother to raise 8 (although a year later my older sister also died,leaving her with 7) children to raise on her own. at times barely managing, and sometimes having to send 2 or 3 of us at a time to an aunty or uncles place for weeks at a time, because she simply could not afford to raise us all.

i know my story is barely a drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the world, but if there is a higher power, how would this happen?

and if all your going to say is that "the higher power does not control this, but we do with our decisions", then why the f**k should we believe in something that aint gunna do a single thing to help us out or save us from the pain and turmoil life brings?

each to their own, believe what you wanna believe.

but everytime those door-knocking twits come to try convert me, i promptly tell them the above story and shut the door in their face. i'm all for people believing in what they want, just dont try force it upon everybody else.

same as gay people, if ya wanna be gay, good on ya, just dont try kiss me.

rant over.

[silicone skyline]

I do, yes. History books dont tell the same story in umpteen different versions though, do they?

We could go on like this forever, well, not forever, but you know.

The basis of my non-belief is there is too much pain/sorrow in this world and if there is anyone taking care of us he/she is doing a crap job.

i'm right there with you boondogg.

my dad died when i was 4, my sister barely 2. that left my mother to raise 8 (although a year later my older sister also died,leaving her with 7) children to raise on her own. at times barely managing, and sometimes having to send 2 or 3 of us at a time to an aunty or uncles place for weeks at a time, because she simply could not afford to raise us all.

i know my story is barely a drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the world, but if there is a higher power, how would this happen?

and if all your going to say is that "the higher power does not control this, but we do with our decisions", then why the f**k should we believe in something that aint gunna do a single thing to help us out or save us from the pain and turmoil life brings?

each to their own, believe what you wanna believe.

but everytime those door-knocking twits come to try convert me, i promptly tell them the above story and shut the door in their face. i'm all for people believing in what they want, just dont try force it upon everybody else.

same as gay people, if ya wanna be gay, good on ya, just dont try kiss me.

rant over.

Ok, TBB, you're not alone with some sort of suffering affecting your life.

My nanna is a Jehovah's Witness (one of those twits who go around to your house trying to convert you).

She was beaten by her husband for 20 years who violently opposed these beliefs before one of her sons was big enough to beat the shit out of him.

Never once did she question her God or wonder why he had forsaken her.

If anything, she talks about it being a comfort to her, to think that one day it will end.

Therefore, I don't believe those preaching to you are trying to "force" what they believe on you, you are more than welcome to say no, just as I have.

I prefer to think these people evangelizing, like the Bible instructs them to do, are trying to share what they have found. Something that is special to them.

Perhaps if you asked one of them one day why you or your family was subject to such suffering, you might find a reasonable answer.

Because at the end of the day, "time and unforeseen occurrence will befall us all".

Faith in God would be easy if he were to divinely intervene every time something bad was going to happen.

[Psyber]

I had some JWs call the other day.
As they moved into their pitch I picked up their theme and gave them a quick tutorial on the roots of monotheism in Zoroastrianism, and how the Epic of Gilgamesh paralleled the story of Noah but was written many years earlier. They looked bewildered as they walked away...

[silicone skyline]

I had some JWs call the other day.
As they moved into their pitch I picked up their theme and gave them a quick tutorial on the roots of monotheism in Zoroastrianism, and how the Epic of Gilgamesh paralleled the story of Noah but was written many years earlier. They looked bewildered as they walked away...

Yeah, that's some strong aftershave you were wearing there... Lol

[Wedgie]

When those crazy cults ( such as Christians, Catholics, JWs, scientologists,etc) come to my house I tell them I'll join if they give me their oldest daughter to do with as I please? They move on, one day one of them will say yes.

[silicone skyline]

When those crazy cults ( such as Christians, Catholics, JWs, scientologists,etc) come to my house I tell them I'll join if they give me their oldest daughter to do with as I please? They move on, one day one of them will say yes.

Lol

[SABRE]

We haven’t evolved very far when there are humans who still take literally the camp fire ravings
of a small bunch of primitive Bronze Age goat herders.

Please keep this thread going, it’s hysterical. History and science deniers are 100% comedy gold !

[Pseudo]

My nanna is a Jehovah's Witness (one of those twits who go around to your house trying to convert you).

She was beaten by her husband for 20 years who violently opposed these beliefs before one of her sons was big enough to beat the s***t out of him.

Never once did she question her God or wonder why he had forsaken her.

If anything, she talks about it being a comfort to her, to think that one day it will end.

The Jay-Dubs believe that only 144000 souls will join the big fella on judgement day. I suspect that over the course of history there have been considerably more than 144000 JWs. There is therefore a very large probability that your nanna is going to be forsaken by her God again.

Seiously, the JWs is a religion which doesn't have much going for it. The satanists might have as slim a chance of going to heaven, but at least they get to party with sabbatical goats and babylonian whores once in a while...

[silicone skyline]

My nanna is a Jehovah's Witness (one of those twits who go around to your house trying to convert you).

She was beaten by her husband for 20 years who violently opposed these beliefs before one of her sons was big enough to beat the s***t out of him.

Never once did she question her God or wonder why he had forsaken her.

If anything, she talks about it being a comfort to her, to think that one day it will end.

The Jay-Dubs believe that only 144000 souls will join the big fella on judgement day. I suspect that over the course of history there have been considerably more than 144000 JWs. There is therefore a very large probability that your nanna is going to be forsaken by her God again.

Seiously, the JWs is a religion which doesn't have much going for it. The satanists might have as slim a chance of going to heaven, but at least they get to party with sabbatical goats and babylonian whores once in a while...

Whoa! Hold on, we have an expert in the house!

[Sojourner]

I am happy enough to out myself as a member of Christianity if that helps anyone!

I grew up in and still belong to the Salvation Army, I dont play in the band but I do have a uniform as such.

People make all sorts of assertions about how the world was created and what religions teach this or that dogma historically and so on. For my own reasoning, I feel that Christianity as a religion is only 2000 or so years old because its based soley on the teachings of Jesus Christ which I agree with and think are the answer to the whole problems of the world today.

For all the Scriptures that have been refered to here, the one that helps me alot is where Jesus says - "I am the way, the truth and the life". Which is something I do believe in.

People are often quick to jump on the various negative aspects of Christianity and I admit that the amount of peodephillia and the whole Prosperity theology that has taken over different groups is an appalling thing. Yet at the same time like anything else, people need to have a look at the positive things that Christianity does in the world also. The Seventh Day Adventist Church through their Sanitarium company are developing soy milk for the third world which globally is making a real difference to world hunger and food shortages. Various denominations supply free medical care to people across the world with their own funding, the list of things like this could go on forever.

Good luck to those that choose to stand up for their faith on here, clearly its going to be a fairly one sided affair, yet at the same time it is good to see others that have the courage to stand up for what they believe in, especially if you have to go against the flow of popular opinion!

[silicone skyline]

The Jay-Dubs believe that only 144000 souls will join the big fella on judgement day.

This be true. From my understanding, these select few will be go to heaven, yes.

I suspect that over the course of history there have been considerably more than 144000 JWs. There is therefore a very large probability that your nanna is going to be forsaken by her God again.

True, more than 144,000, which is why they believe in a resurrection. While the others go off to heaven to help rule the "new system", the rest go on to live on earth and enjoy everlasting life. So they teach. They don't all go to heaven.

Seiously, the JWs is a religion which doesn't have much going for it. The satanists might have as slim a chance of going to heaven, but at least they get to party with sabbatical goats and babylonian whores once in a while...

They teach that there is no hell, those who are not worthy of living on the new paradise earth, the way it was meant to be from the start, so they teach, will simply remain dead, in "Hades" as it were.

So there you go Psuedo, although I didn't see the sense in trying to defame my nanna's religion for some unprovoked reason.
I was just providing an example of the pain she went through and what helped her get through it.

[Pseudo]

although I didn't see the sense in trying to defame my nanna's religion for some unprovoked reason.

I wasn't. Knee-jerk reaction on your part.