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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby CoverKing » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:34 pm

NZ bowled out for 260 against NSW, there in trouble when NSW had a 17 yr old, a 21 yr old and Lambert as there pace bowlers. 2 nil thrashing for australia
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby best on hill » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:48 pm

the pitch looks a very green top! but saying that i hope roy is back in i would rather watch him play the game than watch a robot like watson
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby Pup » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:05 am

I cant see how the selectors can leave Watson out of the side given his promising Indian tour, especially given Symonds ordinary form at state level.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby locky801 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:07 am

Wont matter who is in and out, will be a draw, alot of rain up that part of the country for the next week or so, when will the ACB get it right and move the 1st Test away from Qld
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby NFC » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:11 pm

Pup wrote:I cant see how the selectors can leave Watson out of the side given his promising Indian tour, especially given Symonds ordinary form at state level.

Exactly.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby Pumba » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:12 pm

fox sports is reporting that symonds will play and siddle has been released from the squad, so the last spot will be out of jk and watto
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby smac » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:19 pm

NFC wrote:
Pup wrote:I cant see how the selectors can leave Watson out of the side given his promising Indian tour, especially given Symonds ordinary form at state level.

Exactly.

Quite simple, if there is a better option on the table they would take it.

Gillespie scored a 200 and got dropped. Poor example but it's the first one that comes to mind.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby rod_rooster » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:38 pm

smac wrote:
NFC wrote:
Pup wrote:I cant see how the selectors can leave Watson out of the side given his promising Indian tour, especially given Symonds ordinary form at state level.

Exactly.

Quite simple, if there is a better option on the table they would take it.

Gillespie scored a 200 and got dropped. Poor example but it's the first one that comes to mind.


I am not going to comment too much on Watson because i everyone knows my thoughts but the selectors should pick what they believe to be the best side possible. If player X is deemed a better fit that player y then regardless of anything else player x should be selected.

Watson would be unlucky to miss out but whilst he had a solid tour he didn't do enough to demand selection no matter what. His batting probably let him down a bit IMHO.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby hearts on fire » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:40 pm

The fight for the final spot is on between Watson and Krejza.

Andrew Symonds will make his return to the Test team for the first 3 Mobile Test against New Zealand at the Gabba beginning on Thursday.
Symonds hasn't played since the third Test against the West Indies after missing the recent tour of India.
Fast bowler Peter Siddle has been left out of the Australian squad and will return home to Victoria before most likely jetting across to Western Australia to play for the Bushrangers in the Weet-Bix Sheffield Shield match, which starts on Friday.
The final Australian XI will be named on Thursday before the start of the match with the quality of the pitch expected to play a part in the final makeup of the team.

All-rounder Shane Watson and spinner Jason Krejza will fight out the remaining spot in the team.


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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby rod_rooster » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:45 pm

Whoever misses out of Watson or Krezja can consider themselves unlucky but i think Symonds deserves to return. He has the proven record and he adds so much versatility to a side that was shown to lack any during the tour of India. He is a true matchwinner and now that Australia no longer has a Gilchrist or a Warne/McGrath they need someone like Symonds who can turn a match in an hour of batting or by providing a crucial wicket here and there.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby Pup » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:00 pm

rod_rooster wrote:Whoever misses out of Watson or Krezja can consider themselves unlucky but i think Symonds deserves to return. He has the proven record and he adds so much versatility to a side that was shown to lack any during the tour of India. He is a true matchwinner and now that Australia no longer has a Gilchrist or a Warne/McGrath they need someone like Symonds who can turn a match in an hour of batting or by providing a crucial wicket here and there.



My thoughts on Watson are very similar Rod but the thing is people need to earn their spot in this side and Symonds simply has not done that since he was replaced, this isn't or should not be a side were you can regain your position because you are unbelievably talented yet have virtually shown none of that in the last month and a half at state level.

I have no doubt Symonds could and probably will make a big score against NZ in the coming tests if he is selected, but in my opinion Watson deserves his shot and should be rewarded for consistent performances on one of the toughest tours that we have had for a while.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby cyclops » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:08 pm

Symonds in,Krezja has to play,play Watson as 3rd seamer,never really rated Watson before Indian tour but i thought he bowled very well on some very slow,flat wickets.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby hearts on fire » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:11 pm

I think the selectors will pick Krejza ahead of Watson, i think we need a decent spinner for insurance and you can't go past the fact of 12 wickets on debut against arguably the 2nd best team in the world. Imagine what he will do to a second grade New Zealand! :D
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby catchisthecry » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:24 pm

Agree with cyclops.
Watson did more than Lee, Clark or Johnson to keep his spot IMO.
Half of Johnson's wickets seemed to be blokes caught down the leg side - still not a largely dangerous bowler in my book.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby Pup » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:25 pm

hearts on fire wrote:I think the selectors will pick Krejza ahead of Watson, i think we need a decent spinner for insurance and you can't go past the fact of 12 wickets on debut against arguably the 2nd best team in the world. Imagine what he will do to a second grade New Zealand! :D


We dont need a spinner as insurance at the Gabba, especially given the recent weather.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby hearts on fire » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:29 pm

catchisthecry wrote:Half of Johnson's wickets seemed to be blokes caught down the leg side - still not a largely dangerous bowler in my book.

I don't rate Johnson at all, if i could drop anyone in the side, he would be the one but the Aussie selectors keep persisting with him and captain Ricky is in love with him and over bowls him all the time.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby hearts on fire » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:31 pm

Pup wrote:
hearts on fire wrote:I think the selectors will pick Krejza ahead of Watson, i think we need a decent spinner for insurance and you can't go past the fact of 12 wickets on debut against arguably the 2nd best team in the world. Imagine what he will do to a second grade New Zealand! :D


We dont need a spinner as insurance at the Gabba, especially given the recent weather.

yeah thats true, but i still think we should have him in the side because of his last performance and the Aussie selectors HAVE to play a spinner, they don't like to play 4 quicks.
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby Drop Bear » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:14 pm

hearts on fire wrote:
catchisthecry wrote:Half of Johnson's wickets seemed to be blokes caught down the leg side - still not a largely dangerous bowler in my book.

I don't rate Johnson at all, if i could drop anyone in the side, he would be the one but the Aussie selectors keep persisting with him and captain Ricky is in love with him and over bowls him all the time.


I reckon Johnson goes alright. He's like Brett Lee was in his younger years. Plenty of pace, but needs to find a bit more control and constitancy. He'll be handy on the Gabba (his home pitch).
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby Drop Bear » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:15 pm

hearts on fire wrote:Andrew Symonds will make his return to the Test team for the first 3 Mobile Test against New Zealand at the Gabba beginning on Thursday.


A victory for common sense! Give the fans what they want!!
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Re: Australia Vs Kiwis First test

Postby Pag » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:21 pm

Pup wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:Whoever misses out of Watson or Krezja can consider themselves unlucky but i think Symonds deserves to return. He has the proven record and he adds so much versatility to a side that was shown to lack any during the tour of India. He is a true matchwinner and now that Australia no longer has a Gilchrist or a Warne/McGrath they need someone like Symonds who can turn a match in an hour of batting or by providing a crucial wicket here and there.



My thoughts on Watson are very similar Rod but the thing is people need to earn their spot in this side and Symonds simply has not done that since he was replaced, this isn't or should not be a side were you can regain your position because you are unbelievably talented yet have virtually shown none of that in the last month and a half at state level.

I have no doubt Symonds could and probably will make a big score against NZ in the coming tests if he is selected, but in my opinion Watson deserves his shot and should be rewarded for consistent performances on one of the toughest tours that we have had for a while.
And obviously the selectors do too, that's why they picked him. Why should they reward Watson with a spot, even though Symonds is clearly a better player?
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