Monkey Business

[locky801]

Winning, being the best for so long brings out arrogance, big big big diffence between arrogance and racism

[Wedgie]

I'm amazed that no one remembers how arrogant the West Indies were when they were winning (Viv made arrogance an art form), and how they acted when they were losing. Amazing isn't it.

I remember it well, great days, crikey if they'd sooked like a kid that the big bad other side had called them monkeys they would have copped it too, they knew how to leave stuff on the field and copped heaps too, much more than Symonds ever did.
The West Indies could give it out but they could take it too, probably why Aussies respected them so much as that's the Australian way, or should I say used to be the Australian way.

[rod_rooster]

I'm amazed that no one remembers how arrogant the West Indies were when they were winning (Viv made arrogance an art form), and how they acted when they were losing. Amazing isn't it.

I remember it well, great days, crikey if they'd sooked like a kid that the big bad other side had called them monkeys they would have copped it too, they knew how to leave stuff on the field and copped heaps too, much more than Symonds ever did.
The West Indies could give it out but they could take it too, probably why Aussies respected them so much as that's the Australian way, or should I say used to be the Australian way.

Lol, approach any of those West Indies players and call them a monkey. Be interested to see the reaction you'd get. Doubt you be able to tell me about it yourself though

[Dogwatcher]

Wedgie - they didn't like being told that Tony Greig had said "we'll make them grovel" in the 1970s. So imagine the outcry if someone HAD of called them a monkey.
Holding kicking down stumps, Daniel throwing bricks into crowds, Ambrose standing on the pitch and spitting at people, Richards arrogantly directing celebrations at the crowd, slips cordons sledging.....sounds familiar doesn't it.
But they were just colourful back then (no pun intended).

[Wedgie]

Wedgie - they didn't like being told that Tony Greig had said "we'll make them grovel" in the 1970s. So imagine the outcry if someone HAD of called them a monkey.
Holding kicking down stumps, Daniel throwing bricks into crowds, Ambrose standing on the pitch and spitting at people, Richards arrogantly directing celebrations at the crowd, slips cordons sledging.....sounds familiar doesn't it.
But they were just colourful back then (no pun intended).

Mate, they were called monkeys all the time, only someone who is completely ignorant would think otherwise.
I have no problem with arrogant celebrations or slip cordons sledging, if that was the issue the current outrage would have been happening for 40 years.

[Dogwatcher]

Fair point - different times now though. Things have very much changed. and I'd hate to think that my heroes were doing that.

As for the sledging etc, sorry, I wasn't actually directing that comment at you, it was a general comment.

[Hondo]

The Windies could be precious when they wanted to - I remember Richards & Lloyd boycotting the 3rd final of the 1983-84 World Series Cup because they didn't like the offical call on whether a 3rd final was needed. And as for their views on racism they banned their players who toured South Africa in the apartheid days for life - the Aussies and English players copped 3 years

And to quote recent comments by Sir Viv Richards (always regarded as a strong advocate for black people and other minorities, and the advancement of their cause):

"This matter of black players being subjected to abuse must be urgently addressed by the people who are in charge. There must be plain-clothed officers placed in the crowd, and when you hear that first remark an example must be made of the perpetrator and it must be done swift and quick. I believe the governing bodies have been sitting around for too long. This thing must stop and the authorities must treat this like someone with a nuclear bomb, if you have the fabric which is human civilisation and human society being brought down because of colour and race, to me, that is like a killer with a nuclear reactor in his hand."

[Dogwatcher]

What a wonderful speech.
Sorry guys, I grew up with some Aboriginal kids and saw their faces when abused. I won't stand for it. I feel very uncomfortable when people tell jokes about 'Stan' or 'Jimmy' the Aboriginal.
I may be a bleeding heart liberal, but I'll take that stand every time.
As the great Lucky Dube sang: "different colours, one people".

*steps off soapbox*

[locky801]

"This matter of black players being subjected to abuse must be urgently addressed by the people who are in charge. There must be plain-clothed officers placed in the crowd, and when you hear that first remark an example must be made of the perpetrator and it must be done swift and quick. ."

Can't speak for other countries Hondo but it is now something that is beginning to be a big practice in Australia and not only at the cricket, has been instances where people have been deployed at AFL games. Not sure if you are aware but 76 people were ejected from the 1st test in the first session for alleged racist remarks directed at the Indians

[Wedgie]

Hmmm, Bastard v Monkey, what would you rather be compared to?

Bastard:


Monkey:

[Wedgie]

"This matter of black players being subjected to abuse must be urgently addressed by the people who are in charge. There must be plain-clothed officers placed in the crowd, and when you hear that first remark an example must be made of the perpetrator and it must be done swift and quick. ."

Can't speak for other countries Hondo but it is now something that is beginning to be a big practice in Australia and not only at the cricket, has been instances where people have been deployed at AFL games. Not sure if you are aware but 76 people were ejected from the 1st test in the first session for alleged racist remarks directed at the Indians

Doesn't surprise me, quite common for over 100 a day to get evicted from the cricket, very rarely makes the news.
If 2 get kicked out of the soccer there's riots on apparantley and its front page stuff.

[rod_rooster]

What a wonderful speech.
Sorry guys, I grew up with some Aboriginal kids and saw their faces when abused. I won't stand for it. I feel very uncomfortable when people tell jokes about 'Stan' or 'Jimmy' the Aboriginal.
I may be a bleeding heart liberal, but I'll take that stand every time.
As the great Lucky Dube sang: "different colours, one people".

*steps off soapbox*

Well said.

[locky801]

didn't know that monkeys used nail polish


really I think we can hammer this to death and no-one will come up with a solution, been some great comments made for and against IMHO, can't wait to see what happens in Perth, bet some clown (not that he will be) rolls up top the gound and then throws on a monkey suit, if so reckon he will last 5 secs

[bayman]

i saw the title & thought you were talking about a classic marx brothers film

[LaughingKookaburra]

I'll put my statement I said before up again.Everyone truly ask yourself if the series was 1-1 or even 1-0 do you think India would threaten to go home over these allegations?? I 100% have no doubt they would have kicked up a fuss but no way they would have threatened to go home.
Once again if the over rate wasnt so poor by BOTH teams during the test India would have been bowled out with plenty of time left.........If they want to go home let them go,totally agree with Punk,I still can not see what the Australians have done wrong apart from following the ICC's instructions

[locky801]

Been a few on here that have said exactly the same thing LK

[Wedgie]

really I think we can hammer this to death and no-one will come up with a solution,

Agreed Locky, two of my favourite sayings have always been if you can't stand then heat then don't get in the kitchen and people in glass houses, etc hence my annoyance of the childish way the Australians have behaved in this whole matter.
Ive never had an issue with their sledging or behaviour before despite them being embarassing but I just hate sooks and I have no problem with people that react to sooks like the Indians have.
The current Aussie team needs to watch the Bodyline mini series and see how people can lose even more gracefully than they win.
I'll keep barracking for the Aussies but I do wish they could a leaf out of the books of just about every other national sporting team as they're giving Aussies as a whole a bad name when its only a small minority of all national Aussie teams. Unfortunately the cricket team and Lleyton will always be the first people think of when it comes to Australians sportsmanship these days, sad state of affairs from past days especially when cricket's supposed to be a gentleman's game. Hopefully it doesn't happen as I'd hate to see every national team get the tag of being childish or pathetic whinging bogans undeservedly.
Play on gentleman, my last comment on the topic, I look forward to seeing Taity take a bag of wickets bowling at a million miles an hour as that's how the game's played. Would have been nice to win this series both on the scoreboard and morally but unfortunately that's not possible now, the Indians will go home morale victors at least, and good on them.

[LaughingKookaburra]

Been a few on here that have said exactly the same thing LK

I read enough at work during the day so why should I read page after page Its off my chest now anyway

[rod_rooster]

Would have been nice to win this series both on the scoreboard and morally but unfortunately that's not possible now, the Indians will go home morale victors at least, and good on them.

That is just the most stupid thing i have ever heard. The Indians moral (not morale by the way) victors? Give me a break. How so? What exactly has a member of the Australian side done that the Indian side hasn't?

[carey18]

Wedgie what did the Indians win?. Far out the lost. Stop there sooking and get on with it. Pointing out LBW when he knicked it onto his pads! Shit we better not play next test. Singh running to the members and doing rolls on the ground not over celabrating?. What is going on here. What did Australia do wrong? appeal? Shit India would not of done the same thing if they were in that poistion. Guess ill go out with 2 gloves the same tommorow if the games close!!. Sick of reading this crap

as Dogwatcher say *** Steps of soapbox ***