Gather Round

[am Bays]

Can anyone work out why Butters came into to the protected area to ask what he alleged to have said?

[Booney]

The whole thing about the Butters/Foot issue I find distasteful is the fact the ump refused to talk about it after the game with Butters.

I've been seeing this creep in a bit at local level, umpires refusing point blank to even engage with players who approach them in a respectful manner, seeking clarification. Now, to see it at the highest level, it's really disappointing, as respect is a two way street. Just because you have a whistle, it doesn't make you God.

Some of the best umps I've had always engaged in chat, some sledged even, and they were the first to put their hand up if they were wrong. Sadly, this part of the game is going the way of the dinosaur.

He's hypersensitive about the clear conflict the AFL approved.

[wenchbarwer]

The whole thing about the Butters/Foot issue I find distasteful is the fact the ump refused to talk about it after the game with Butters.

I've been seeing this creep in a bit at local level, umpires refusing point blank to even engage with players who approach them in a respectful manner, seeking clarification. Now, to see it at the highest level, it's really disappointing, as respect is a two way street. Just because you have a whistle, it doesn't make you God.

Some of the best umps I've had always engaged in chat, some sledged even, and they were the first to put their hand up if they were wrong. Sadly, this part of the game is going the way of the dinosaur.

He's hypersensitive about the clear conflict the AFL approved.

Maybe Zak asked what St Kilda were paying for a win? That's neither disrespectful, or offensive, given the ump's employment. Just asking a professional question...

[Booney]

Either way one of them goes to bed tonight with the AFL world thinking they're a liar and I don't reckon anyone will thinks it's Butters, regardless of the outcome.

I thought Greg Swann was a level headed old school bloke, he's already been muted by the AFL I reckon because if it was up to him he'd have got them on a room to talk it out, not a tribunal hearing.

[gadj1976]

The whole thing about the Butters/Foot issue I find distasteful is the fact the ump refused to talk about it after the game with Butters.

I've been seeing this creep in a bit at local level, umpires refusing point blank to even engage with players who approach them in a respectful manner, seeking clarification. Now, to see it at the highest level, it's really disappointing, as respect is a two way street. Just because you have a whistle, it doesn't make you God.

Some of the best umps I've had always engaged in chat, some sledged even, and they were the first to put their hand up if they were wrong. Sadly, this part of the game is going the way of the dinosaur.

I agree. After the game the captain should be able to discuss incidents on field during the game with the umpire so he can take that back to the playing group. The umps have become too elitist IMO.

[DOC]

Can anyone work out why Butters came into to the protected area to ask what he alleged to have said?

A protected zone during a stoppage after a goal has been kicked?

[whufc]

The whole thing about the Butters/Foot issue I find distasteful is the fact the ump refused to talk about it after the game with Butters.

I've been seeing this creep in a bit at local level, umpires refusing point blank to even engage with players who approach them in a respectful manner, seeking clarification. Now, to see it at the highest level, it's really disappointing, as respect is a two way street. Just because you have a whistle, it doesn't make you God.

Some of the best umps I've had always engaged in chat, some sledged even, and they were the first to put their hand up if they were wrong. Sadly, this part of the game is going the way of the dinosaur.

He's hypersensitive about the clear conflict the AFL approved.

Maybe he was asking the umpire how much the AFL pays him in relation to his wage, suggesting that his umpires wages was far greater than the ability of his decision making.

[Jimmy_041]

The whole thing about the Butters/Foot issue I find distasteful is the fact the ump refused to talk about it after the game with Butters.

I've been seeing this creep in a bit at local level, umpires refusing point blank to even engage with players who approach them in a respectful manner, seeking clarification. Now, to see it at the highest level, it's really disappointing, as respect is a two way street. Just because you have a whistle, it doesn't make you God.

Some of the best umps I've had always engaged in chat, some sledged even, and they were the first to put their hand up if they were wrong. Sadly, this part of the game is going the way of the dinosaur.

On SEN this morning, there is a rule in the Rules of Football that the umpires are not allowed to discuss a report with anyone

[am Bays]

Can anyone work out why Butters came into to the protected area to ask what he alleged to have said?

Nah my bad, jsut watched it again it was when Foot had backed back to the edge of the protected area whilst Owen was having his shot, so Butters wasnt in the protected area.

[Lightning McQueen]

Either way one of them goes to bed tonight with the AFL world thinking they're a liar and I don't reckon anyone will thinks it's Butters, regardless of the outcome.

I thought Greg Swann was a level headed old school bloke, he's already been muted by the AFL I reckon because if it was up to him he'd have got them on a room to talk it out, not a tribunal hearing.

Funny how you can hear blokes breathing through the ump mic but it just happened to not work at the crucial time.

You have the technology, use it.

[gadj1976]

The whole thing about the Butters/Foot issue I find distasteful is the fact the ump refused to talk about it after the game with Butters.

I've been seeing this creep in a bit at local level, umpires refusing point blank to even engage with players who approach them in a respectful manner, seeking clarification. Now, to see it at the highest level, it's really disappointing, as respect is a two way street. Just because you have a whistle, it doesn't make you God.

Some of the best umps I've had always engaged in chat, some sledged even, and they were the first to put their hand up if they were wrong. Sadly, this part of the game is going the way of the dinosaur.

On SEN this morning, there is a rule in the Rules of Football that the umpires are not allowed to discuss a report with anyone

Oh, so they trot out the "Rules" when convenient huh, but "interpretations" are the norm?

[Jimmy_041]

The whole thing about the Butters/Foot issue I find distasteful is the fact the ump refused to talk about it after the game with Butters.

I've been seeing this creep in a bit at local level, umpires refusing point blank to even engage with players who approach them in a respectful manner, seeking clarification. Now, to see it at the highest level, it's really disappointing, as respect is a two way street. Just because you have a whistle, it doesn't make you God.

Some of the best umps I've had always engaged in chat, some sledged even, and they were the first to put their hand up if they were wrong. Sadly, this part of the game is going the way of the dinosaur.

On SEN this morning, there is a rule in the Rules of Football that the umpires are not allowed to discuss a report with anyone

Oh, so they trot out the "Rules" when convenient huh, but "interpretations" are ok?

[Trader]

Funny how you can hear blokes breathing through the ump mic but it just happened to not work at the crucial time.

You have the technology, use it.

7AFL posted the (some) audio last night, but for mine it's clearly been edited and only further confuses matters.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19y6itDFFv/

You can hear the umpire fine.
The crowd is way louder than normal.
You hear butters say two words, which might be "you pay", but nothing else.

If it was unedited, you'd hear butter's full statement, not just two words, and the crowd noise wouldn't be anywhere near as loud.

If you can trust the audio from that 7AFL clip, and align it with what butters said directly after the game in the maguire interview (https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18k2qm2kFD/ - how is that a free kick?), and the reaction of both butters and wines when informed of the report after the goal (https://www.facebook.com/reel/1391964109281351 - butters says "we can ask you mate", foot then says "I'm reporting you" and butters replies with "for what"), then you can make some assumptions and come to a conclusion, but it's messy.

For mine, Butters has said "how do you pay that?" and foot has misheard it to be "how much do they pay you?"
Foot has misconstrued the situation given he knew he got the initial free kick wrong, and is also hyper sensitive about his own bias and conflicts with sportsbet.

[gadj1976]

Funny how you can hear blokes breathing through the ump mic but it just happened to not work at the crucial time.

You have the technology, use it.

7AFL posted the (some) audio last night, but for mine it's clearly been edited and only further confuses matters.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19y6itDFFv/

You can hear the umpire fine.
The crowd is way louder than normal.
You hear butters say two words, which might be "you pay", but nothing else.

If it was unedited, you'd hear butter's full statement, not just two words, and the crowd noise wouldn't be anywhere near as loud.

If you can trust the audio from that 7AFL clip, and align it with what butters said directly after the game in the maguire interview (https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18k2qm2kFD/ - how is that a free kick?), and the reaction of both butters and wines when informed of the report after the goal (https://www.facebook.com/reel/1391964109281351 - butters says "we can ask you mate", foot then says "I'm reporting you" and butters replies with "for what"), then you can make some assumptions and come to a conclusion, but it's messy.

For mine, Butters has said "how do you pay that?" and foot has misheard it to be "how much do they pay you?"
Foot has misconstrued the situation given he knew he got the initial free kick wrong, and is also hyper sensitive about his own bias and conflicts with sportsbet.

I find this very amusing. The mic's pick up ambient noise but not something that's said 2m away from the umpire. Amazing tech we're using in the AFL.

[The Bedge]

Foot has misconstrued the situation given he knew he got the initial free kick wrong, and is also hyper sensitive about his own bias and conflicts with sportsbet.

This is my take on it.. I agree.

What happens if Butters is found not guilty? Will there be an apology / backlash?
Will the AFL find a way to side with Foot to save face?

Whilst it's not the reason Port lost, that 50m, along with a couple of other free kicks / non free kicks certainly had an impact on the game.

[wenchbarwer]

AFL trotting out lines lines like "great integrity" and "great character" for the Sportsbet maggot.

Butters to regain the fines paid leadership after this

[Booney]

So what do we think happens?

A - Butters gets fined ( Port appeal )

B - Tribunal doesn't reach an outcome until we've all gone to bed

C - Found not guilty

[Trader]

What happens if Butters is found not guilty? Will there be an apology / backlash?
Will the AFL find a way to side with Foot to save face?

I think there is a way they can frame it such that neither is classified a liar, and that is to say Foot misinterpreted what Butters said, due to the crowd noise etc. It's a cop out, but I suspect that's what they'll go with.

Whilst it's not the reason Port lost, that 50m, along with a couple of other free kicks / non free kicks certainly had an impact on the game.

Agree we got the bad side of things, but bloody hell, why give the umps so many opportunities to pay the 50:50 ones against you.

No need for butters and wines to be arguing it.
Georgie was often seen arguing with umpires behind the play too.
The down field free kick to NAS that got him another shot on goal, yeah, it was soft, but no need for Farrell to make contact. Don't give the umps the opportunity to pay the soft ones.

The two high tackles that Liam Ryan got, and then the one not paid to JHF, sure, annoying, but you're going to get that. JHF did duck for mine, and Ryan can't get paid the high ones if our boys tackle him around the hips.

There will be talk all week about how we got shafted by the umpires, but the bottom line is, we gave the umpires the opportunity to shaft us time and time again. I would hope the club and the players are looking at their own actions, and how to improve, rather than worrying about what the umpires are doing.

[gadj1976]

Foot has misconstrued the situation given he knew he got the initial free kick wrong, and is also hyper sensitive about his own bias and conflicts with sportsbet.

This is my take on it.. I agree.

What happens if Butters is found not guilty? Will there be an apology / backlash?
Will the AFL find a way to side with Foot to save face?

Whilst it's not the reason Port lost, that 50m, along with a couple of other free kicks / non free kicks certainly had an impact on the game.

How can he be found not guilty? The AFL won't compromise the integrity of the umpiring by finding him not guilty. If it does, then it makes Foot look like an Ar$e.

[The Bedge]

So what do we think happens?

A - Butters gets fined ( Port appeal )

B - Tribunal doesn't reach an outcome until we've all gone to bed

C - Found not guilty

Combination of all three.. Think they'll find Butters guilty of a less charge, and a token fine.

I just have a gut feel the AFL isn't going to want to be seen as making a total balls up of this and will back the umpire to keep face.