by tigerpie » Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:28 pm
by wenchbarwer » Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:36 pm
tigerpie wrote:Interesting read this subject.
All club philosophy that I know of is put time, money and effort in your junior programs.
If you do this well enough then the club should thrive.
If all of a sudden more money becomes available, instead of putting into your juniors, it goes to a senior recruits pocket.
And that 17 year old lad that's come through your juniors can't get into the ones so he leaves or quits footy all together.
You can't buy a good healthy club culture and therefore buying premierships is a very risky business long term.
by AdelaideSaint73 » Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:10 pm
vics01 wrote:Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.
All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.
The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.
by River Murray » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:14 pm
AdelaideSaint73 wrote:vics01 wrote:Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.
All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.
The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.
Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.
For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.
by Jimmy_041 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:56 pm
AdelaideSaint73 wrote:vics01 wrote:Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.
All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.
The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.
Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.
For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.
by AdelaideSaint73 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:09 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:AdelaideSaint73 wrote:vics01 wrote:Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.
All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.
The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.
Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.
For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.
Totally correct. The junior can qualify for either the old collegians or district via years / games played
If they have never played senior football, they can also go and play anywhere for zero points.
But, getting those facts into some idiots brains is impossible.
by jo172 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:35 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:AdelaideSaint73 wrote:vics01 wrote:Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.
All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.
The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.
Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.
For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.
Totally correct. The junior can qualify for either the old collegians or district via years / games played
If they have never played senior football, they can also go and play anywhere for zero points.
But, getting those facts into some idiots brains is impossible.
by Jimmy_041 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:38 pm
jo172 wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:AdelaideSaint73 wrote:vics01 wrote:Salary Cap is about SANFL not losing players to local footy.
All that is needed is the player points, if clubs want to spend dollars so be it, they will either succeed or they won't and will suffer the consequences. Player points was designed to even the competitions, it should also stop clubs loading up with players and force development.
The only unfair aspect of the points system is the old scholars having the advantage because some kid went to the college, which totally ignores that in the formative years community clubs developed them.
Having been involved with both College sides and Community clubs sides I've grown sick of this argument. College sides have the exact same access to those players who were at their school as the Community club does. If they played juniors at the club they are zero points, if they played College football they are zero points. The community club would then need to have a look at why the particular player would choose the College side over them surely. Many College footballers return to their community club when they finish school.
For River Murray - this means I am in favour of the current APPS.
Totally correct. The junior can qualify for either the old collegians or district via years / games played
If they have never played senior football, they can also go and play anywhere for zero points.
But, getting those facts into some idiots brains is impossible.
For this precise reason I'm baffled that Matt Nunn attracts points. Played 2 senior games at Payneham in 2013 yet somehow returns a decade later as a 4 pointer.
by wenchbarwer » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:50 pm
by Brodlach » Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:01 pm
wenchbarwer wrote:Thought you had to play 25 games to be a zero pointer? As Nunn came straight from Norwood to PNU, he'd be worth 4 points in 2024.
https://sanfl-content.imgix.net/content ... cument.pdf
Section 8.8.2
Brodlach wrote:Rory Laird might end up the best IMO, he is an absolute jet. He has been in great form at the Bloods
by The Bedge » Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:11 pm
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by jo172 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:49 pm
wenchbarwer wrote:Thought you had to play 25 games to be a zero pointer? As Nunn came straight from Norwood to PNU, he'd be worth 4 points in 2024.
https://sanfl-content.imgix.net/content ... cument.pdf
Section 8.8.2
by Jimmy_041 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:05 pm
jo172 wrote:wenchbarwer wrote:Thought you had to play 25 games to be a zero pointer? As Nunn came straight from Norwood to PNU, he'd be worth 4 points in 2024.
https://sanfl-content.imgix.net/content ... cument.pdf
Section 8.8.2
But played in 2013, before senior footy for norwood.
by AdelaideSaint73 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:25 pm
by jo172 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:00 am
Jimmy_041 wrote:jo172 wrote:wenchbarwer wrote:Thought you had to play 25 games to be a zero pointer? As Nunn came straight from Norwood to PNU, he'd be worth 4 points in 2024.
https://sanfl-content.imgix.net/content ... cument.pdf
Section 8.8.2
But played in 2013, before senior footy for norwood.
My recollection is everybody is a zero pointer at any first senior club
by scottroo » Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:32 am
by jo172 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:38 am
scottroo wrote:I’m not sure what the issue is? He’s not a Payneham junior; they’ve invested nothing in him as a junior, he’s played a token two games before playing years in the SANFL system, what right do they have over any other club because he’s played two games? We have had guys return who have played 19 games of junior footy over multiple seasons for us, who are returning as 3 point players!
by jo172 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:40 am
by scottroo » Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:57 am
by The Bedge » Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:04 am
jo172 wrote:If you play <20 games at your first club (and weren't a junior or other zero pointer) if you go else where such that you attract points, and return to that club, you will come back on points, even if that is your first club.
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
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