Who should have been SA captain

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Who should of captain SA

Poll ended at Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:04 pm

Lehmann
15
37%
Deitz
1
2%
Cam Borgas
1
2%
Adcock
4
10%
Cosgrove
3
7%
Elliot
5
12%
Gillespie
10
24%
Another player off the list
2
5%
 
Total votes : 41

Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby GWW » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:27 pm

I wonder if Lou Vincent is a realistic chance of captaining us within the next 2 or 3 years..
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby matt » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:02 am

Some sensible posts amongst the knee-jerk reactions.
One game in, a long way to go.
I think one bloke who is going to come under enormous pressure is Kim Harris. Our blokes just can't seem to handle a bit of bounce.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby eags » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:31 pm

I would be more inclined to say our blokes nick up too much too early on. A few guys probably just need to bat a bit of time.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby brod » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:20 am

I wouldve thought that if he was willing Jason Gillispie wouldve been an ideal person to take the reigns. I cant see a standout young player who has established themselves within first class cricket over a couple of seasons, so I think we need to look for a short term solution before getting ahead of ourselves and looking for a long term one by appointing a younger player.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby rogernumber10 » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:26 am

Left field suggestion. I've been out of Adelaide a long time but is there a real hard-head older bloke in grade cricket who, while he is never going to play for Australia and may even be fortunate to be getting a state game, can take the pressure of the job for 1-2 seasons while a few young kids learn the ropes of state cricket. SACAs did exactly this with Bob Blewett in the late 70s while handrickan, darling, hookes etc played as kids around him (admittedly in World Series days and few older guys all went at once) and Chappelli suggested exactly the same reason that KG should have done the job for SA, coming back out of grade cricket, when he was away captaining the Aussies in the mid 70s.
As said, I wouldn't have a clue these days who is a good solid player in grade cricket, knows captaincy, hard head etc, who could guide youngies and not be worried about the verbals from all other states during matches.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby MightyEagles » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:24 pm

How about me or Spiderpig.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby jackpot jim » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:47 pm

rogernumber10 wrote:Left field suggestion. I've been out of Adelaide a long time but is there a real hard-head older bloke in grade cricket who, while he is never going to play for Australia and may even be fortunate to be getting a state game, can take the pressure of the job for 1-2 seasons while a few young kids learn the ropes of state cricket. SACAs did exactly this with Bob Blewett in the late 70s while handrickan, darling, hookes etc played as kids around him (admittedly in World Series days and few older guys all went at once) and Chappelli suggested exactly the same reason that KG should have done the job for SA, coming back out of grade cricket, when he was away captaining the Aussies in the mid 70s.
As said, I wouldn't have a clue these days who is a good solid player in grade cricket, knows captaincy, hard head etc, who could guide youngies and not be worried about the verbals from all other states during matches.

Not as silly as it sounds as Australia did it back in WSC days bringing back Simpson for a year or two and that worked ok and he even made a ton or two despite being in his early 40s BUT i think thay need to get :evil: AGGRESSIVE with their Recruiting and get someone interstate or even overseas to take charge of the team for a couple of years. FFS all they're doing at the moment is going Backwards.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby heater31 » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:42 pm

jackpot jim wrote:
rogernumber10 wrote:Left field suggestion. I've been out of Adelaide a long time but is there a real hard-head older bloke in grade cricket who, while he is never going to play for Australia and may even be fortunate to be getting a state game, can take the pressure of the job for 1-2 seasons while a few young kids learn the ropes of state cricket. SACAs did exactly this with Bob Blewett in the late 70s while handrickan, darling, hookes etc played as kids around him (admittedly in World Series days and few older guys all went at once) and Chappelli suggested exactly the same reason that KG should have done the job for SA, coming back out of grade cricket, when he was away captaining the Aussies in the mid 70s.
As said, I wouldn't have a clue these days who is a good solid player in grade cricket, knows captaincy, hard head etc, who could guide youngies and not be worried about the verbals from all other states during matches.

Not as silly as it sounds as Australia did it back in WSC days bringing back Simpson for a year or two and that worked ok and he even made a ton or two despite being in his early 40s BUT i think thay need to get :evil: AGGRESSIVE with their Recruiting and get someone interstate or even overseas to take charge of the team for a couple of years. FFS all they're doing at the moment is going Backwards.


too right it could be a cheap recruiting drive scour the national u/19 champs and keep a close eye on the 2nd XI comp for young talent in other states that might not be getting opportunities. also look at the territiories as they have no side in the national comps surely they have some players capable of playing 1st class level.

Smart move by Dean Sayers as the Coach of Woodville enticed several Darwin boys down and they sucessfully chased down 390 the other week against arch rival West Torrens the reigning premier. can the dudbacks to the same???
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby Aerie » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:31 pm

rogernumber10 wrote:Left field suggestion. I've been out of Adelaide a long time but is there a real hard-head older bloke in grade cricket who, while he is never going to play for Australia and may even be fortunate to be getting a state game, can take the pressure of the job for 1-2 seasons while a few young kids learn the ropes of state cricket.


Isn't that what they've done with Adcock?
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby Hondo » Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:03 pm

I am not sure if SA doing a 'Mike Brealey' will help ..... just another batsman averaging 18.2. Our main problem is our batsmen staying in the middle for decent amounts of time rather than the captaincy IMO. Another dud batsmen (regardless of whether he is the greatest captain in the world) will just compound our problems I think.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby sasquatch » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:02 pm

If Lehmann was keen, then he would be the choice. He's not keen. :(
If Gillespie was keen, he'd be the next option. He's not keen.
Why Matthew Elliott wasn't named is a surprise. Is he not keen? :o
To be on the contract he's on, you would be expecting big things. The only idea I could come up with is a desire to go for youth, which is understandable with the young list they have.
Of all the young players in the Redbacks squad, the only ones that will play consistently, whether or not they are making runs or taking wickets, are Mark Cosgrove and Shaun Tait.
Tait will, if fit and firing, play in the national side, which leaves Cosgrove, who is not looking like making the next step up (in regards to regular national selection), but certainly able to play state cricket for the next decade, as a player in the Lehmann mould.
IMHO, He should be groomed for the role. :wink:
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby GWW » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:05 pm

I'm pretty sure Lehmann WAS keen to retain the captaincy but relinquished it in a decision that basically wasn't his.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby heater31 » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:06 pm

sasquatch wrote:If Lehmann was keen, then he would be the choice. He's not keen.



not sure where you got this info from mate but Lehman was forced to resign at the end of last season citing poor performance of both his captaincy and team. Also a few things behind the scene regarding setting examples to younger players may also have been a factor.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby sasquatch » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:16 pm

heater31 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:If Lehmann was keen, then he would be the choice. He's not keen.



not sure where you got this info from mate but Lehman was forced to resign at the end of last season citing poor performance of both his captaincy and team. Also a few things behind the scene regarding setting examples to younger players may also have been a factor.


http://content-www.cricinfo.com/austral ... 86612.html

He may or may not have mentioned wanting to groom his successor.
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby heater31 » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:20 pm

sasquatch wrote:
heater31 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:If Lehmann was keen, then he would be the choice. He's not keen.



not sure where you got this info from mate but Lehman was forced to resign at the end of last season citing poor performance of both his captaincy and team. Also a few things behind the scene regarding setting examples to younger players may also have been a factor.


http://content-www.cricinfo.com/austral ... 86612.html

He may or may not have mentioned wanting to groom his successor.



yes but what he wants and what the selectors want are clearly two different things
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Re: Who should have been SA captain

Postby sasquatch » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:22 pm

Point taken. I'm probably wrong in this instance...
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