AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Pseudo]

...the PAFC must have what other AFL clubs have, ....

^ the PAFC in a nutshell: pure Victorian envy.

[LPH]

Oh, thank you PAFC for all you've done for the rest of the clubs in this state.

We are (& should be) so grateful for your efforts:
Just to name a few;

1. Underwriting the "concrete" at West Lakes - or so you claim
2. Bruce Webber & his deception
3. 1990 & the disruption to our league - the forced involvement in the 'expanded' VFL
4. The constant undermining of the league from that point to 1997 - via the 'Port for AFL' campaign
5. The disruption of the 'fringe' players in your AFL team & refusal to allow these players developed by the SANFL clubs to play Finals
6. The $$$ drain on the SANFL clubs - bailing out Port Magpies with advances on expected future dividends
7. $8 million debt borrowings to prop up the AFL team due to falling attendances at home matches
8. The destruction of THE best Cricket Ground in the World - to try and increase these falling attendances

Yes, we all owe you our sincere thanks.
And as such, we are happy to 'roll over' & allow you to treat what remains of our 136 year old competition with further contempt, by allowing you to place your 'development squad' in our competition as well as keep your Junior Development Zones for your own selfish needs... Pfft

The audacity of your arrogance is reason why you will never gain the supporter base you so desperately desire & require for financial security.
The football public will never embrace you like they have the Crows because you are not a team for 'All South Australians' - you never have been.
Take your license back in November - you are welcome to it because you will then become the AFL's problem not ours.
You have no place in our competition - neither does the Adelaide Football Club.
The SANFL owes you nothing.

[Dutchy]

Much of what Aerie posted can't be disputed. It's there in black and white. But clearly October 2010 and June 2013 are different points in time and things change. I'd be pretty confident Adelaide FC were not as set on having a reserves side back then either, but they are now. WOW! How things change.

And thats the concern, say both AFL teams play in the SANFL league comp next year, crowds drop and the league goes the way of the current VFL, a development league.

Then in 2016 the AFL has a genuine national reserves competition (which is a genuine possibility that the Crows have admitted will probably happen) and the SANFL returns to an 8 club competition with no chance to recovering after the AFL clubs have destroyed it.

Things change...

[southee]

Let them go and end the magpies ... 2 to 3 years when crowds are poor and the Adelaide oval experiment fails miserably and they are broke again... They will come grovelling back on their hands and knees asking for a bail out again from the sanfl!

[heater31]

Let them go and end the magpies ... 2 to 3 years when crowds are poor and the Adelaide oval experiment fails miserably and they are broke again... They will come grovelling back on their hands and knees asking for a bail out again from the sanfl!

But the SANFL won't own the licence. Andy D open up that cheque book mate

[Pseudo]

If you truly think the SANFL would be as prestigious, as enjoyable and as important to the wider footballing community without any Port Adelaide involvement then thats your opinion. As they say, opinions are like arseholes, we all have one.

The wider footballing community does not give a stuff about the SANFL. Those people who currently follow one of the 8 SANFL clubs will continue to do so; their enjoyment will not be mitigated by the loss of any one team. This is either my opinion or my arsehole, possibly both.

[southee]

Let them go and end the magpies ... 2 to 3 years when crowds are poor and the Adelaide oval experiment fails miserably and they are broke again... They will come grovelling back on their hands and knees asking for a bail out again from the sanfl!

But the SANFL won't own the licence. Andy D open up that cheque book mate

He won't if they are not a viable business and losing money by the truck load with crap crowds and support .

I urge all sanfl supporters not to go to power games .

Big d won't keep coughing up the cash .

[kickinit]

there's any easy way settle all of this. The SANFL sell of the AFL license, The crows and power move their reserves players interstate, and the SANFL is removed from the SMA. It will be interesting to see how long the SANFL will survive without any involvement from the AFL

no matter how much you want it to happen it wont!!!!

but if your so against the AFL why wouldn't you want it to happen, oh thats right you need the AFL to survive.

I also see your (and all port supporters on safooty for that matter) are still refusing to answer what actual benefits there is to the SANFL clubs and supporters to have the AFL reserves sides in the league comp.

Your silence on this really says it all.

it will make both the crows and power stronger teams, and like every team when they are going better then crowd numbers are up, which then turns into more revenue being, which then means more money for the SANFL clubs. Especially the way the SANFL is being ran I'd be taking as much money as I could at the moment.

[kickinit]

Let them go and end the magpies ... 2 to 3 years when crowds are poor and the Adelaide oval experiment fails miserably and they are broke again... They will come grovelling back on their hands and knees asking for a bail out again from the sanfl!

you know if this happens then the SANFL will pretty much be broke as well. For the other 8 SANFL clubs they would want to hope that Adelaide oval goes well.

[kickinit]

Oh, thank you PAFC for all you've done for the rest of the clubs in this state.

We are (& should be) so grateful for your efforts:
Just to name a few;

1. Underwriting the "concrete" at West Lakes - or so you claim
2. Bruce Webber & his deception
3. 1990 & the disruption to our league - the forced involvement in the 'expanded' VFL
4. The constant undermining of the league from that point to 1997 - via the 'Port for AFL' campaign
5. The disruption of the 'fringe' players in your AFL team & refusal to allow these players developed by the SANFL clubs to play Finals
6. The $$$ drain on the SANFL clubs - bailing out Port Magpies with advances on expected future dividends
7. $8 million debt borrowings to prop up the AFL team due to falling attendances at home matches
8. The destruction of THE best Cricket Ground in the World - to try and increase these falling attendances

Yes, we all owe you our sincere thanks.
And as such, we are happy to 'roll over' & allow you to treat what remains of our 136 year old competition with further contempt, by allowing you to place your 'development squad' in our competition as well as keep your Junior Development Zones for your own selfish needs... Pfft

The audacity of your arrogance is reason why you will never gain the supporter base you so desperately desire & require for financial security.
The football public will never embrace you like they have the Crows because you are not a team for 'All South Australians' - you never have been.
Take your license back in November - you are welcome to it because you will then become the AFL's problem not ours.
You have no place in our competition - neither does the Adelaide Football Club.
The SANFL owes you nothing.

The $$ drain on the SANFL clubs is due to poor business. Yes Port was given handouts, but those handouts shouldn't even been noticed on the SANFL bank account.

[SDK]

LEH top post.
I can not believe the ignorance and arrogance of the Port people posting on this thread. If it was not so serious it would be laughable.
This beenreal peanut must be on drugs !
Port continue to stab the SANL in the back time and time again and now as a dying one club they want to bring the SANFL down with them.
Port Power have destroyed the Magpies and now they want to destroy the SANFL.
Keith Thomas you can not expect people to take you seriously ? It really is laughable. Is this April 1st ?

[kickinit]

LEH top post.
I can not believe the ignorance and arrogance of the Port people posting on this thread. If it was not so serious it would be laughable.
This beenreal peanut must be on drugs !
Port continue to stab the SANL in the back time and time again and now as a dying one club they want to bring the SANFL down with them.
Port Power have destroyed the Magpies and now they want to destroy the SANFL.
Keith Thomas you can not expect people to take you seriously ? It really is laughable. Is this April 1st ?

how have the power destroyed the magpies? How have we stab the SANFL in the back? How can you talk about us being 1 club in 1 sentence and then talk about us being 2 in the next?

[beenreal]

LEH top post.
I can not believe the ignorance and arrogance of the Port people posting on this thread. If it was not so serious it would be laughable.
This beenreal peanut must be on drugs !
Port continue to stab the SANL in the back time and time again and now as a dying one club they want to bring the SANFL down with them.
Port Power have destroyed the Magpies and now they want to destroy the SANFL.
Keith Thomas you can not expect people to take you seriously ? It really is laughable. Is this April 1st ?

how have the power destroyed the magpies? How have we stab the SANFL in the back? How can you talk about us being 1 club in 1 sentence and then talk about us being 2 in the next?

The number of contradictions and cliches' over one thread is laughable. Their sad, myopic devotion to their ancient SANFL religion masks a deep seated jealousy of all the PAFC has achieved over 140+ years.

The past 5 years is a mere speed bump in our continued road to glory. We will progress and blossom on the national stage as is our destiny, while you will wither, shrink and die. All the while clutching desperately at fleeting strands of ever dissipating relevance.

[StrayDog]

The number of contradictions and cliches' over one thread is laughable. Their sad, myopic devotion to their ancient SANFL religion masks a deep seated jealousy of all the PAFC has achieved over 140+ years.

The past 5 years is a mere speed bump in our continued road to glory. We will progress and blossom on the national stage as is our destiny, while you will wither, shrink and die. All the while clutching desperately at fleeting strands of ever dissipating relevance.

Classic!

Nothing original, though I thought the Star Wars borrowed "sad devotion to their ancient religion" bit was superb.

So General, have you found the stolen Death Star data tapes yet or are SANFL fans still trying to frighten you with their sorcerers' ways? Maybe they just find your lack of faith disturbing?

May the clichés be with you.

[whufc]

no matter how much you want it to happen it wont!!!!

but if your so against the AFL why wouldn't you want it to happen, oh thats right you need the AFL to survive.

I also see your (and all port supporters on safooty for that matter) are still refusing to answer what actual benefits there is to the SANFL clubs and supporters to have the AFL reserves sides in the league comp.

Your silence on this really says it all.

it will make both the crows and power stronger teams, and like every team when they are going better then crowd numbers are up, which then turns into more revenue being, which then means more money for the SANFL clubs. Especially the way the SANFL is being ran I'd be taking as much money as I could at the moment.

So we should comprise our league and risk sending it like the VFL for 'maybe' a little bit extra coin despite the SANFL being in a lucky position that it carries some very handy little assests and if used correctly will be able to help fund the remaining 8 clubs for a long period.

Also is it guarenteed the Crows and Power will automatically become better, you do realise both Port and Crows won premiership without a reserves side, also there are many more factors than just having a reserves side, continuing to recruit blokes like John Butcher wont help regardless of what other teams you have.

So once again please give me a valid reason and one thats not financial as the SANFL should be able to set up itself up with the current assests. Then throw in the fact the majority of the SANFL clubs are financially pretty comfortable its not really a valid reason to sell its soul.

[whufc]

LEH top post.
I can not believe the ignorance and arrogance of the Port people posting on this thread. If it was not so serious it would be laughable.
This beenreal peanut must be on drugs !
Port continue to stab the SANL in the back time and time again and now as a dying one club they want to bring the SANFL down with them.
Port Power have destroyed the Magpies and now they want to destroy the SANFL.
Keith Thomas you can not expect people to take you seriously ? It really is laughable. Is this April 1st ?

how have the power destroyed the magpies? How have we stab the SANFL in the back? How can you talk about us being 1 club in 1 sentence and then talk about us being 2 in the next?

The number of contradictions and cliches' over one thread is laughable. Their sad, myopic devotion to their ancient SANFL religion masks a deep seated jealousy of all the PAFC has achieved over 140+ years.

The past 5 years is a mere speed bump in our continued road to glory. We will progress and blossom on the national stage as is our destiny, while you will wither, shrink and die. All the while clutching desperately at fleeting strands of ever dissipating relevance.

once again Beenreal whats the benefit to the other 8 SANFL clubs?

[Ian]

once again Beenreal whats the benefit to the other 8 SANFL clubs?

None what soever, but isn't that the Port Adelaide way, so long as Port see a advantage to them selves the rest can go **** themselves!!

Karma will be a bitch..................................

[mick]

Oh, thank you PAFC for all you've done for the rest of the clubs in this state.

We are (& should be) so grateful for your efforts:
Just to name a few;

1. Underwriting the "concrete" at West Lakes - or so you claim
2. Bruce Webber & his deception
3. 1990 & the disruption to our league - the forced involvement in the 'expanded' VFL
4. The constant undermining of the league from that point to 1997 - via the 'Port for AFL' campaign
5. The disruption of the 'fringe' players in your AFL team & refusal to allow these players developed by the SANFL clubs to play Finals
6. The $$$ drain on the SANFL clubs - bailing out Port Magpies with advances on expected future dividends
7. $8 million debt borrowings to prop up the AFL team due to falling attendances at home matches
8. The destruction of THE best Cricket Ground in the World - to try and increase these falling attendances

Yes, we all owe you our sincere thanks.
And as such, we are happy to 'roll over' & allow you to treat what remains of our 136 year old competition with further contempt, by allowing you to place your 'development squad' in our competition as well as keep your Junior Development Zones for your own selfish needs... Pfft

The audacity of your arrogance is reason why you will never gain the supporter base you so desperately desire & require for financial security.
The football public will never embrace you like they have the Crows because you are not a team for 'All South Australians' - you never have been.
Take your license back in November - you are welcome to it because you will then become the AFL's problem not ours.
You have no place in our competition - neither does the Adelaide Football Club.
The SANFL owes you nothing.

Great Post

[on the rails]

Keith Thomas and his "I wish" article mentioned that the Power would not undermine the Magpies or the integrity of the SANFL comp by banning Power listed players from playing in SANFL finals to have corrective surgery!

Well of course he is not going to ban them if they are all playing for the Magpies under his model yet last season the majority of the Power listed players with other SANFL Clubs were banned! What a f**kin hypocrite! I will wait with much interest as to what the PAFC does this year as North again will have Blee, Moore and Stewart all qualified and suprisingly none of them were able to play last year along with the farcial Aaron Young "leg injury" excuse but he was able to run in the AFL GF sprint during the SANFL finals. Integrity my arse - liars and cheats!

[whufc]

Keith Thomas and his "I wish" article mentioned that the Power would not undermine the Magpies or the integrity of the SANFL comp by banning Power listed players from playing in SANFL finals to have corrective surgery!

Well of course he is not going to ban them if they are all playing for the Magpies under his model yet last season the majority of the Power listed players with other SANFL Clubs were banned! What a f**kin hypocrite! I will wait with much interest as to what the PAFC does this year as North again will have Blee, Moore and Stewart all qualified and suprisingly none of them were able to play last year along with the farcial Aaron Young "leg injury" excuse but he was able to run in the AFL GF sprint during the SANFL finals. Integrity my arse - liars and cheats!

Agree if that's the logic they are using to the SANFL clubs to get into our league comp we are safes as houses!

Off course you will make them available to the magpies!! If anything that's a reason not to have u in our comp!