Redbacks - the positives

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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Jim05 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:35 am

Footy Smart wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Trav is a big positive, just needs to cut a few rash shots out and he will be destined for a good career.


Trav is always going to get out playing rash shots unfortunately, that is the way he plays. Even in the second innings he gave chances and nicked a few etc. He is an instinctive see the ball, hit the ball batter.

The big positives IMO are:
The team while having poor sessions, are showing they can be dominant in others which are giving us chances to win the game - previously we were rolled in 3 days
Travs continued develpment as an 18yo
Kelvin Smith waiting in the wings and belting 170 in a futures game
Cooper coming back into form with a few 100s in both Grade and Futures cricket

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Do you see Kelvin Smith getting a go at shield level ATM?
In great form but who makes way?
Cooper should be in the current side, would think he would come in for Raphael and Klinger goes back to opener but barring injury is their another spot in the Top 6 up for grabs?
Christians form with the bat is worrying but he is obviously our best allrounder
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Redbacks - the positives

Postby Dols » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:39 am

Jim05 wrote:
Footy Smart wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Trav is a big positive, just needs to cut a few rash shots out and he will be destined for a good career.


Trav is always going to get out playing rash shots unfortunately, that is the way he plays. Even in the second innings he gave chances and nicked a few etc. He is an instinctive see the ball, hit the ball batter.

The big positives IMO are:
The team while having poor sessions, are showing they can be dominant in others which are giving us chances to win the game - previously we were rolled in 3 days
Travs continued develpment as an 18yo
Kelvin Smith waiting in the wings and belting 170 in a futures game
Cooper coming back into form with a few 100s in both Grade and Futures cricket

True
Do you see Kelvin Smith getting a go at shield level ATM?
In great form but who makes way?
Cooper should be in the current side, would think he would come in for Raphael and Klinger goes back to opener but barring injury is their another spot in the Top 6 up for grabs?
Christians form with the bat is worrying but he is obviously our best allrounder

let's be honest, if it was just about form then Botha would not be in the side. Would love to see kelvin get a few one dayers under his belt first though
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Footy Smart » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:50 am

Jim05 wrote:
Footy Smart wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Trav is a big positive, just needs to cut a few rash shots out and he will be destined for a good career.


Trav is always going to get out playing rash shots unfortunately, that is the way he plays. Even in the second innings he gave chances and nicked a few etc. He is an instinctive see the ball, hit the ball batter.

The big positives IMO are:
The team while having poor sessions, are showing they can be dominant in others which are giving us chances to win the game - previously we were rolled in 3 days
Travs continued develpment as an 18yo
Kelvin Smith waiting in the wings and belting 170 in a futures game
Cooper coming back into form with a few 100s in both Grade and Futures cricket

True
Do you see Kelvin Smith getting a go at shield level ATM?
In great form but who makes way?
Cooper should be in the current side, would think he would come in for Raphael and Klinger goes back to opener but barring injury is their another spot in the Top 6 up for grabs?
Christians form with the bat is worrying but he is obviously our best allrounder


Im not saying trav can’t tighten up his game and I know he is working very hard on it, but when he does get out its normally his fault through poor shot execution

As for Kelvin, I see him where Trav was last year. He will most likely play SS games at the back end of the year so he has security and doesn’t have to worry about being dropped. Then another pre-season under his belt and off he goes – but who knows, Berry may have a trick up his sleeve but I wouldn’t rush him into the SS side for the sake of it

Christian is batting to high up the order and with the top order not firing it puts additional pressure on him. Ideally he bats 7 but that would mean getting some quality overs out of a top order bat and playing 3 pace and 1 spinner

Best side atm would be

Hughes
Klinger
Cooper
Ferguson
Head
Christian
Botha
Ludeman
Mennie
Sayers
Haberfield/Richardson (who would bat before Mennie/Sayers)



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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Jim05 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:57 am

FS who would make way for Smith to play?
Cant see any of those 6 apart from Cooper being dropped.
Would love to see get a few games at the end of the season but cant see who he will replace
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Footy Smart » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:03 am

Jim05 wrote:FS who would make way for Smith to play?
Cant see any of those 6 apart from Cooper being dropped.
Would love to see get a few games at the end of the season but cant see who he will replace



Good point, this would depend on uinjury and form when the time comes. Also may involve a tough call by Berry, if Kelv is belting down the door with performances ie a Ferg or Trav who you cuold say are inconsistent atm in the first innings.

We have the quality with the bat, Cooper was a top Junior player him and Henriques bullied the U19 comp, Hughes and Klinger speak for themselves, Ferg has to get back into consistent form, Trav keep developing. The collapses are the thing that kills us, not the players we have available
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby bulldogproud2 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:45 am

To be honest, I would prefer to see James Smith promoted before his brother, Kelvin. I get to see a fair bit of both of them play, thankfully, and I see James more ready for Shield cricket than Kelvin. Yes, James has had a few opportunities in the past but really seems to have matured as a player this year and has been a very consistent performer. Kelvin, whilst being an excellent young player, is still a bit more prone to inconsistency. Give him another year or two and he will settle into the State team a lot better.

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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Footy Smart » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:50 am

bulldogproud2 wrote:To be honest, I would prefer to see James Smith promoted before his brother, Kelvin. I get to see a fair bit of both of them play, thankfully, and I see James more ready for Shield cricket than Kelvin. Yes, James has had a few opportunities in the past but really seems to have matured as a player this year and has been a very consistent performer. Kelvin, whilst being an excellent young player, is still a bit more prone to inconsistency. Give him another year or two and he will settle into the State team a lot better.

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Very True Bulldog, there is no point rushing Kelvin in just because he is an emerging talent
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby daysofourlives » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:33 pm

Klinger will be the one who makes way by the end of the season, IF he continues to struggle as he is ATM
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Media Park » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:10 am

Gary Putland has a fan that isn't me- Darren Berry quoted as saying he should be in the Ashes squad:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/crick ... 6524495025

Last few seasons have been injury interrupted, but the results are always there. Hey, they pick Patto and Harris in the two or three Tests that they are fit for, so why not Putland?

2012/13: 19 @ 16.84 (3 matches)
2011/12: 19 @ 21.94 (5 matches)
2010/11: 14 @ 24.14 (3 matches)

Positives from the last match: Putland 12 wickets, Hughes 150-odd, Head and Ferguson fifties, Sayers continued improvement, winning without Dan Christian
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Footy Smart » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:19 am

Cooper with another 180 for UNi on Saturday, surely he has proven he is ready for another crack - Christo needs to beat the door down I reckon now.

Id expect this side next SS match (whenever it is):

Hughes
Klinger
Cooper
Ferguson
Head
Botha
Ludeman
Richardson
Sayers
Lyon (guessing he is available?)
Putland

Ideally the side is - but will never happen as Yohan has to play

Hughes
Klinger
Cooper
Ferguson
Head
Christian
Ludeman
Richardson
Sayers
Lyon
Putland
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby smac » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:27 am

Media Park wrote:Gary Putland has a fan that isn't me- Darren Berry quoted as saying he should be in the Ashes squad:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/crick ... 6524495025

Last few seasons have been injury interrupted, but the results are always there. Hey, they pick Patto and Harris in the two or three Tests that they are fit for, so why not Putland?

2012/13: 19 @ 16.84 (3 matches)
2011/12: 19 @ 21.94 (5 matches)
2010/11: 14 @ 24.14 (3 matches)

Positives from the last match: Putland 12 wickets, Hughes 150-odd, Head and Ferguson fifties, Sayers continued improvement, winning without Dan Christian

Darren Berry has a KPI regarding national representation from the redbacks, it's his job to pump their tyres.

Puts needs a big Summer, at least, not a big month.
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Brodlach » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:38 am

Putlands match figures were the best Shield figures at the MCG for 40 years and the 7th best at the MCG in the Shield ever
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby whufc » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:05 pm

Brodlach wrote:Putlands match figures were the best Shield figures at the MCG for 40 years and the 7th best at the MCG in the Shield ever


Who were the six best above him?
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Brodlach » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:21 pm

whufc wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Putlands match figures were the best Shield figures at the MCG for 40 years and the 7th best at the MCG in the Shield ever


Who were the six best above him?


Chuck Fleetood-Smith 15/96 1936-37
Ross Duncan 13/125 1970-71
Alan Thomson 13/141 1969-70
John Reedman 13/149 1904-05
Jack Ryder 13/155 1912-13
Bert Ironmonger 13/181/1914-15
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby Pup » Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:10 pm

Footy Smart wrote:Cooper with another 180 for UNi on Saturday, surely he has proven he is ready for another crack - Christo needs to beat the door down I reckon now.

Id expect this side next SS match (whenever it is):

Hughes
Klinger
Cooper
Ferguson
Head
Botha
Ludeman
Richardson
Sayers
Lyon (guessing he is available?)
Putland

Ideally the side is - but will never happen as Yohan has to play

Hughes
Klinger
Cooper
Ferguson
Head
Christian
Ludeman
Richardson
Sayers
Lyon
Putland


Next shield game is not until Australia day weekend because of the BBL. Excuse my ignorance but where do Uni play? I wouldnt mind going down and having a look at Cooper next time he is playing.
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby The Dark Knight » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:08 pm

Pup wrote:
Footy Smart wrote:Cooper with another 180 for UNi on Saturday, surely he has proven he is ready for another crack - Christo needs to beat the door down I reckon now.

Id expect this side next SS match (whenever it is):

Hughes
Klinger
Cooper
Ferguson
Head
Botha
Ludeman
Richardson
Sayers
Lyon (guessing he is available?)
Putland

Ideally the side is - but will never happen as Yohan has to play

Hughes
Klinger
Cooper
Ferguson
Head
Christian
Ludeman
Richardson
Sayers
Lyon
Putland


Next shield game is not until Australia day weekend because of the BBL. Excuse my ignorance but where do Uni play? I wouldnt mind going down and having a look at Cooper next time he is playing.

Pretty sure there ground is on the corner of Sir Edwin Smith Avenue and War Memorial Drive, North Adelaide.
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby heater31 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:20 pm

The Dark Knight wrote:
Pup wrote:
Next shield game is not until Australia day weekend because of the BBL. Excuse my ignorance but where do Uni play? I wouldnt mind going down and having a look at Cooper next time he is playing.

Pretty sure there ground is on the corner of Sir Edwin Smith Avenue and War Memorial Drive, North Adelaide.



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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby RustyCage » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:24 pm

smac wrote:
Media Park wrote:Gary Putland has a fan that isn't me- Darren Berry quoted as saying he should be in the Ashes squad:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/crick ... 6524495025

Last few seasons have been injury interrupted, but the results are always there. Hey, they pick Patto and Harris in the two or three Tests that they are fit for, so why not Putland?

2012/13: 19 @ 16.84 (3 matches)
2011/12: 19 @ 21.94 (5 matches)
2010/11: 14 @ 24.14 (3 matches)

Positives from the last match: Putland 12 wickets, Hughes 150-odd, Head and Ferguson fifties, Sayers continued improvement, winning without Dan Christian

Darren Berry has a KPI regarding national representation from the redbacks, it's his job to pump their tyres.

Puts needs a big Summer, at least, not a big month.


Putland is definitely a good enough bowler to do well in the Australian team, his only issue is he is so injury prone, can't get through 3 games without getting injured
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Re: Redbacks - the positives

Postby goraw » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:03 pm

theres always next season.
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