Kilburn Stripped

[Boosh]

confirmed all points lost and a fine. and i dont think points will be awarded to other clubs.apparently 6-7 other clubs being looked at aswell.

Who would they be? I heard Districts had an audit. Glenunga had 14 points against us so might be under consideration.

I know Mawson Lakes are being looked in to.

I know that 15 clubs have been chosen "randomly" to be audited with the idea being that all clubs get audited once every two years

[Gigs]

Same Questions as from the Div 3 thread

32.8 If a team of a Club exceeds the Total Points Rating allocated to it, in any game played
by its Senior (A Grade) Team the following penalties will automatically apply:
32.8.1 In the event that the team wins – the loss of all premiership points, earned
for that game, the loss of all points scored by the team in that game, plus a
fine of $1,000.00.

How does this effect the opposition who have played Kilburn??

Do the teams that played in those first 3 games against Kilburn get:
1. The Premiership points + Kilburn scores set to zero for that game
2. No premiership points but Kilburns lose their premiership points and score is set to zero for that game
3. No premiership points but Kilburn lose all points but the oppositions against score stay the same. (i.e no % change)

[FOOTY TALK]

somebody knew,that i do know.

Of course, strong ties between Encounter Bay & Kilburn.

i also have crows and norwood on my profile but it doesnt mean im involved with them.

[Q.]

Same Questions as from the Div 3 thread

32.8 If a team of a Club exceeds the Total Points Rating allocated to it, in any game played
by its Senior (A Grade) Team the following penalties will automatically apply:
32.8.1 In the event that the team wins – the loss of all premiership points, earned
for that game, the loss of all points scored by the team in that game, plus a
fine of $1,000.00.

How does this effect the opposition who have played Kilburn??

Do the teams that played in those first 3 games against Kilburn get:
1. The Premiership points + Kilburn scores set to zero for that game
2. No premiership points but Kilburns lose their premiership points and score is set to zero for that game
3. No premiership points but Kilburn lose all points but the oppositions against score stay the same. (i.e no % change)

Regarding allocation premiership points to opposition teams, there are two opposing precedents that could be followed.

When teams have played an unregistered player, they have been stripped of premiership points and points have been awarded to the opposition.

When a club has been unfinancial (Wingfield a number of years ago), they were stripped of premiership points, but none were awarded to the opposition.

IMO, the opposition should not get the premiership points, but I can see the argument against that.

[carey]

confirmed all points lost and a fine. and i dont think points will be awarded to other clubs.apparently 6-7 other clubs being looked at aswell.

Who would they be? I heard Districts had an audit. Glenunga had 14 points against us so might be under consideration.

I know Mawson Lakes are being looked in to.

They're wasting their time here!

What ever do you mean Hotpies?

Here? your club is listed as Rosewater surly nobody tells fibs on this site?

[kickinit]

I can't comment on the Kilburn saga as I am not involved but IMO (just an unbiased opinion) the amateur league must take some responsibiltiy. How did they allow this to happen for 4 games before errors were found. I can understand maybe 1 or 2 games but 4?? How did the oppostion clubs not pick this up in early rounds? Also I believe the league should make player ratings available online like the GSFL for example which is clear for everyone to see. If Kilburn have broken the rules they must be punsihed in some way but surely this could have been resolved after 1 or 2 rounds

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page ... sID=199681

With the change over to sporting pulse can you still see previous years players / round by round results etc like you could with the old SAAFL site??

From my understanding it was 3 games not 4. The way i'm looking at it is that this was a well thought out plan. Now if Kilburn couldn't count the player points don't you think the team they played in rd1 would of said something? If it was a stuff up with the system don't you think they wouldn't be in trouble? The only way I can see this happening is if information has been entered in to sporting pulse incorrectly.

[kickinit]

Kilburn will bounce back from this bigger and better!! They will recover and be there come business end of the season.

They have a few tough games ahead of them SMOSH CBC Payneham and Athelstone. I can't see them beating SMOSH they should beat CBC and the other 2 will be close. They could be 1-8 at the half way mark meaning they would have to win pretty much every game for the rest of the year to make finals. the Payneham and Athelstone game will be the critical games for them and need to win both if they can i'll give them a shot at making the 5 if not then there season is done

[DKL]

confirmed all points lost and a fine. and i dont think points will be awarded to other clubs.apparently 6-7 other clubs being looked at aswell.

Who would they be? I heard Districts had an audit. Glenunga had 14 points against us so might be under consideration.

I know Mawson Lakes are being looked in to.

They're wasting their time here!

What ever do you mean Hotpies?

Here? your club is listed as Rosewater surly nobody tells fibs on this site? [/quote]

I do know one club that needs to correct there points. Yes playing coaches from the Mallee League are worth 2 points, not zero!

[Footy Follower]

The whisper I heard on the weekend was that PAOC in division 2 have been claiming some of their players as zero points who went to the school for year 12 only, meaning that they did not register the minimum 25 games required to be a zero point. I even heard one player played soccer not football when there at high school.

Now I maybe ignorant here, but to be zero or -1 points, you have had to play 25+ games for the club in previous years or juniors?
If this is the case, does this apply for the college sides? i.e. do they have to play 25 games of college football to be worth zero or -1?

[Lightning McQueen]

I do know one club that needs to correct there points. Yes playing coaches from the Mallee League are worth 2 points, not zero!

Did you forget who you logged on as?

[DKL]

I do know one club that needs to correct there points. Yes playing coaches from the Mallee League are worth 2 points, not zero!

Did you forget who you logged on as?

Um not at all mate! Try the Mega Schnitzel, Ive heard it is delicious!

[giffo]

To be -1 you need to be u18. The clubs can enter/adjsut player point values via the members page in Sporting Pulse. There was also a memo from the SAAFL that not all players points were showing up on the teamsheets and it was the clubs responsibilty to enter the points manually on all teamsheets if this happened, so really- no excuses for any club to go over.

[Pag]

The whisper I heard on the weekend was that PAOC in division 2 have been claiming some of their players as zero points who went to the school for year 12 only, meaning that they did not register the minimum 25 games required to be a zero point. I even heard one player played soccer not football when there at high school.

Now I maybe ignorant here, but to be zero or -1 points, you have had to play 25+ games for the club in previous years or juniors?
If this is the case, does this apply for the college sides? i.e. do they have to play 25 games of college football to be worth zero or -1?

If they've played 25+ games for the school and are over 18, 0.
If they've played 25+ games for the school and are still under 18, -1.
If they didn't play 25 games for the school, the points are based on where they were recruited from.

[Footy Follower]

To be -1 you need to be u18. The clubs can enter/adjsut player point values via the members page in Sporting Pulse. There was also a memo from the SAAFL that not all players points were showing up on the teamsheets and it was the clubs responsibilty to enter the points manually on all teamsheets if this happened, so really- no excuses for any club to go over.

Probably not, but is there a way to view team sheets on sporting pulse which shows what player is worth what points?

[Footy Follower]

The whisper I heard on the weekend was that PAOC in division 2 have been claiming some of their players as zero points who went to the school for year 12 only, meaning that they did not register the minimum 25 games required to be a zero point. I even heard one player played soccer not football when there at high school.

Now I maybe ignorant here, but to be zero or -1 points, you have had to play 25+ games for the club in previous years or juniors?
If this is the case, does this apply for the college sides? i.e. do they have to play 25 games of college football to be worth zero or -1?

If they've played 25+ games for the school and are over 18, 0.
If they've played 25+ games for the school and are still under 18, -1.
If they didn't play 25 games for the school, the points are based on where they were recruited from.

Thanks Pag, you answered all of my questions very clearly. Me thinks that there maybe a lot of Old scholar teams who maybe in trouble with this. Considering most high school football competitions in any year level probably play a maximum of 15 games a year, that would mean you would have to be playing school football for at least 2 years without missing too many games to play 25+ and qualify as a zero pointer. But then the question needs to be asked, how does any old scholars team or even the amatuer league know how many high school games of football someone has played. I am pretty sure most high schools don't keep records of an individuals game talley?!

[Lightning McQueen]

Um not at all mate! Try the Mega Schnitzel, Ive heard it is delicious!

I'd go on your recommendation only.

[Lightning McQueen]

i also have crows and norwood on my profile but it doesnt mean im involved with them.

I suppose no one can hang shit on your club that way and you can go to town on others, nice .

[Jimmy_041]

The whisper I heard on the weekend was that PAOC in division 2 have been claiming some of their players as zero points who went to the school for year 12 only, meaning that they did not register the minimum 25 games required to be a zero point. I even heard one player played soccer not football when there at high school.

Now I maybe ignorant here, but to be zero or -1 points, you have had to play 25+ games for the club in previous years or juniors?
If this is the case, does this apply for the college sides? i.e. do they have to play 25 games of college football to be worth zero or -1?

You really shouldn't listen to the girls whispering to you at The Palace - they will tell you anything for another lap dance
None of the A Grade players went to PAC in Year 12 only.
James Admiraal played soccer at school and plays in the Bs, PLUS joined us straight from school so he'd be zero points anyway (Adders - we'd have to be pretty short mate )
Happy to confirm if you can give me a name, but I doubt you'll give one.

[Footy Follower]

The whisper I heard on the weekend was that PAOC in division 2 have been claiming some of their players as zero points who went to the school for year 12 only, meaning that they did not register the minimum 25 games required to be a zero point. I even heard one player played soccer not football when there at high school.

Now I maybe ignorant here, but to be zero or -1 points, you have had to play 25+ games for the club in previous years or juniors?
If this is the case, does this apply for the college sides? i.e. do they have to play 25 games of college football to be worth zero or -1?

You really shouldn't listen to the girls whispering to you at The Palace - they will tell you anything for another lap dance
None of the A Grade players went to PAC in Year 12 only.
James Admiraal played soccer at school and plays in the Bs, PLUS joined us straight from school so he'd be zero points anyway (Adders - we'd have to be pretty short mate )
Happy to confirm if you can give me a name, but I doubt you'll give one.

Hahaha nice one Jimmy, only reporting what I hear after all that is what this site is all about. I was a bit foggey on the rules for Old Scholars sides. However I still think after a few investigations into some sides, a few clubs may get found out. Not saying yours is one of them though. It is a funny system, currently as it stands I personally could change to 3 different clubs from the one I am at now and be zero points as I played junior footy at one, went to high school at the other, and also have played over 100 games for the third one.
But if I wanted to say try and play A grade at a top notch div 1 side (higher grade than the other 3 clubs) I would be worth 3 points!

[TEX07]

This system this year has become ridiculous, was speaking to someone from Walkerville yesterday and they have guys good enough to play A grade playing B grade footy because of the points. Walkerville, like Kilburn I would assume would struggle to fill many junior sides due to the ageing area they reside in, how else are they to field senior sides without recruiting. At GG we are lucky, we have a big junior program and a good number of our A grade players come from that program straight into seniors.