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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby finn » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:32 pm

SATCHEL wrote:Taken out of context Finn. Not having pot shots just stating a few things that has been relayed. Those clubs that have more then 2-3 sides have the envy of a few clubs. Financial aspects is to each club and their own. The more numbers you have the bigger your voice will sound. Those that have one side can voice their oppinions but it wont go as far its just fact.
A part from that, again i hope its for the better of the league. Was anyone playing when the C grades were in the relegation system and not to mention their respective D grades? Not at any stage have ai mentioned a club should be put in any division over another. Some have drawn their own tables and have been nun too impressed with the proposal. All i can say is, get behind your club and make sure your delegates get the whole message across be it for or against it. I will say again that i am for the changes but the sides taht have been placed in certain divisions need to e looked into a little bit more.


I'm old enough to remember the various tries the amateur league has had at this. May be a bit easier now that there are more clubs with 4 or more sides - the c divisions - or old division 9 and 10 south/north and old divisions 8-11 were generally fine. The big but is that there were minimal clubs with 4 sides (from memory, Uni, Tea Tree Gully, Broadview) with most others coming into being over the last 3 -8 years. The reflective system has led to a greater disparity in results in my experience.

Promotion and relegation worked reasonably well; some sides fluctuated and there was the occasional run of domination usually by c grade sides of div 1 clubs - Goodwood I'm looking at you - who stayed in Div 9 while the four sided clubs played in div 8.

I know the league is trying to accomodate wishes but also put into place things that should be non-negiotable (eg one team clubs play in c1 or top one side competition) while taking into account results from the last few years. It must be remembered by all that effectively a third of c1, c2 and c3 is moving into the new div 8 and these teams have to be replaced to have an effective lower grade system - while trying to keep triple headers in the forefront of planning. It won't be absolutely perfect but certainly worth the time being dedicated to it so far.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby woodublieve12 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:19 pm

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SATCHEL wrote:Taken out of context Finn. Not having pot shots just stating a few things that has been relayed. Those clubs that have more then 2-3 sides have the envy of a few clubs. Financial aspects is to each club and their own. The more numbers you have the bigger your voice will sound. Those that have one side can voice their oppinions but it wont go as far its just fact.
A part from that, again i hope its for the better of the league. Was anyone playing when the C grades were in the relegation system and not to mention their respective D grades? Not at any stage have ai mentioned a club should be put in any division over another. Some have drawn their own tables and have been nun too impressed with the proposal. All i can say is, get behind your club and make sure your delegates get the whole message across be it for or against it. I will say again that i am for the changes but the sides taht have been placed in certain divisions need to e looked into a little bit more.


I'm old enough to remember the various tries the amateur league has had at this. May be a bit easier now that there are more clubs with 4 or more sides - the c divisions - or old division 9 and 10 south/north and old divisions 8-11 were generally fine. The big but is that there were minimal clubs with 4 sides (from memory, Uni, Tea Tree Gully, Broadview) with most others coming into being over the last 3 -8 years. The reflective system has led to a greater disparity in results in my experience.

Promotion and relegation worked reasonably well; some sides fluctuated and there was the occasional run of domination usually by c grade sides of div 1 clubs - Goodwood I'm looking at you - who stayed in Div 9 while the four sided clubs played in div 8.

I know the league is trying to accomodate wishes but also put into place things that should be non-negiotable (eg one team clubs play in c1 or top one side competition) while taking into account results from the last few years. It must be remembered by all that effectively a third of c1, c2 and c3 is moving into the new div 8 and these teams have to be replaced to have an effective lower grade system - while trying to keep triple headers in the forefront of planning. It won't be absolutely perfect but certainly worth the time being dedicated to it so far.


its fine the way it is... and imo its not worth time being dedicated to it... the current system works fine... the proposed c grade format is very ordinary and only seems to favor the strong teams.... please explain to me how a side who played in c5 last season are now expected to play clubs who played in c1, c2 and c3???? makes no sense.... and with c grade sides changing players so often and having very different sides every year, the promotion and relegation system doesnt work like in the A grade divisions...
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby finn » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:29 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:
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SATCHEL wrote:Taken out of context Finn. Not having pot shots just stating a few things that has been relayed. Those clubs that have more then 2-3 sides have the envy of a few clubs. Financial aspects is to each club and their own. The more numbers you have the bigger your voice will sound. Those that have one side can voice their oppinions but it wont go as far its just fact.
A part from that, again i hope its for the better of the league. Was anyone playing when the C grades were in the relegation system and not to mention their respective D grades? Not at any stage have ai mentioned a club should be put in any division over another. Some have drawn their own tables and have been nun too impressed with the proposal. All i can say is, get behind your club and make sure your delegates get the whole message across be it for or against it. I will say again that i am for the changes but the sides taht have been placed in certain divisions need to e looked into a little bit more.


I'm old enough to remember the various tries the amateur league has had at this. May be a bit easier now that there are more clubs with 4 or more sides - the c divisions - or old division 9 and 10 south/north and old divisions 8-11 were generally fine. The big but is that there were minimal clubs with 4 sides (from memory, Uni, Tea Tree Gully, Broadview) with most others coming into being over the last 3 -8 years. The reflective system has led to a greater disparity in results in my experience.

Promotion and relegation worked reasonably well; some sides fluctuated and there was the occasional run of domination usually by c grade sides of div 1 clubs - Goodwood I'm looking at you - who stayed in Div 9 while the four sided clubs played in div 8.

I know the league is trying to accomodate wishes but also put into place things that should be non-negiotable (eg one team clubs play in c1 or top one side competition) while taking into account results from the last few years. It must be remembered by all that effectively a third of c1, c2 and c3 is moving into the new div 8 and these teams have to be replaced to have an effective lower grade system - while trying to keep triple headers in the forefront of planning. It won't be absolutely perfect but certainly worth the time being dedicated to it so far.


its fine the way it is... and imo its not worth time being dedicated to it... the current system works fine...


That's where we disagree - I don't think the current system works fine and the aspects (eg triple headers for some clubs) that are good can be maintained with some effort from clubs and the league. We'll wait and see until the Club meeting I guess.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby woodublieve12 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:45 pm

finn wrote:That's where we disagree - I don't think the current system works fine and the aspects (eg triple headers for some clubs) that are good can be maintained with some effort from clubs and the league. We'll wait and see until the Club meeting I guess.


ALOT of effort to keep everyone happy... so all the clubs can benefit from the triple headers, which is near impossible when you playing a side which doesnt match your A grade each week. i personally think is unnessary... as someone wrote earlier, its alot easier for your mob when you have 7 sides and plenty of resources...
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby SATCHEL » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:43 am

I can defiantely see both sides of the copnversation here. If you have a look at C3 last year. There were sides in there that could have been more successful in a lower division. My side is a good example. FOr years we were not competative, under achieving and not able to sustain numbers on a Saturday. We went up with our A grade on both occasions and to be honest we were nowhere near ready to make the jump. It was only last year that we had some success and that was even against the top 3 sides. The first time on over 5 years we made it into the top 4. Should that mean that we get put up to C1 because of one year. Its all very up in the air ATM so until the meeting later this month we can only assume the outcome. I agree that North Haven for example had a pretty good year but not as good as to be in C1. Those types of suggestions really need to be assessed correctly and have consulatation with clubs about how they are getting te equations done. If they trul base it on last years form and 100p point win/losses then i would suggest that it be forecasted and assessed over the previous 2-3 years for a more adequate outcome.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Cash 123 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:12 am

woodublieve12 wrote:
finn wrote:
SATCHEL wrote:Taken out of context Finn. Not having pot shots just stating a few things that has been relayed. Those clubs that have more then 2-3 sides have the envy of a few clubs. Financial aspects is to each club and their own. The more numbers you have the bigger your voice will sound. Those that have one side can voice their oppinions but it wont go as far its just fact.
A part from that, again i hope its for the better of the league. Was anyone playing when the C grades were in the relegation system and not to mention their respective D grades? Not at any stage have ai mentioned a club should be put in any division over another. Some have drawn their own tables and have been nun too impressed with the proposal. All i can say is, get behind your club and make sure your delegates get the whole message across be it for or against it. I will say again that i am for the changes but the sides taht have been placed in certain divisions need to e looked into a little bit more.


I'm old enough to remember the various tries the amateur league has had at this. May be a bit easier now that there are more clubs with 4 or more sides - the c divisions - or old division 9 and 10 south/north and old divisions 8-11 were generally fine. The big but is that there were minimal clubs with 4 sides (from memory, Uni, Tea Tree Gully, Broadview) with most others coming into being over the last 3 -8 years. The reflective system has led to a greater disparity in results in my experience.

Promotion and relegation worked reasonably well; some sides fluctuated and there was the occasional run of domination usually by c grade sides of div 1 clubs - Goodwood I'm looking at you - who stayed in Div 9 while the four sided clubs played in div 8.

I know the league is trying to accomodate wishes but also put into place things that should be non-negiotable (eg one team clubs play in c1 or top one side competition) while taking into account results from the last few years. It must be remembered by all that effectively a third of c1, c2 and c3 is moving into the new div 8 and these teams have to be replaced to have an effective lower grade system - while trying to keep triple headers in the forefront of planning. It won't be absolutely perfect but certainly worth the time being dedicated to it so far.


its fine the way it is... and imo its not worth time being dedicated to it... the current system works fine... the proposed c grade format is very ordinary and only seems to favor the strong teams.... please explain to me how a side who played in c5 last season are now expected to play clubs who played in c1, c2 and c3???? makes no sense.... and with c grade sides changing players so often and having very different sides every year, the promotion and relegation system doesnt work like in the A grade divisions...


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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Blacks130 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:48 pm

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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby S Demon » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:50 pm

C1
Adel Uni
Gaza
Goodwood Saints
Old Ignatians
Ovingham
PHOS Camden
ROC
Salisbury Nth
SPOC
Walkerville

C2
Adel Lutheran
Adel Uni
Athelstone
Hope Valley
Pembroke
Pooraka
Pt District
Portland
SHOC
Seaton

C3
Adel Uni
Elizabeth
Fitzroy
Hectorville
Kenilworth
Lockleys
Mawson Lakes
Plympton
Scotch
Woodville Sth

C4
CBCOC
Brahma Lodge
Eastern Park
Glenunga
Payneham NU
Pultney
Rosewater
Salisbury West
Trinity OS
Wingfield

C7
Kenilworth
Salisbury
Gaza
Goodwood Saints
Greenacres
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Masha » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:20 pm

Do like the draw for us, no more Havens, Plympton or Lutheran woohoo :lol:

Seems to be an even draw in C4, will be interesting to see what the C1/C2 clubs of last year bring to the division in terms of quality. Wouldnt imagine their past result been enough to go off, C grade sides do change a fair bit from year to year.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Executive Member » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:34 pm

Masha wrote:Do like the draw for us, no more Havens, Plympton or Lutheran woohoo :lol:

Seems to be an even draw in C4, will be interesting to see what the C1/C2 clubs of last year bring to the division in terms of quality. Wouldnt imagine their past result been enough to go off, C grade sides do change a fair bit from year to year.


Didn't rate Hope Valley Masha
They only won the comp :lol:
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby TIRED TIGER » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:15 pm

Executive Member wrote:
Masha wrote:Do like the draw for us, no more Havens, Plympton or Lutheran woohoo :lol:

Seems to be an even draw in C4, will be interesting to see what the C1/C2 clubs of last year bring to the division in terms of quality. Wouldnt imagine their past result been enough to go off, C grade sides do change a fair bit from year to year.


Didn't rate Hope Valley Masha
They only won the comp :lol:

yeah EM 33 goals to zero if my memory is right :?
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby S Demon » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:45 pm

Masha wrote:Do like the draw for us, no more Havens, Plympton or Lutheran woohoo :lol:

Seems to be an even draw in C4, will be interesting to see what the C1/C2 clubs of last year bring to the division in terms of quality. Wouldnt imagine their past result been enough to go off, C grade sides do change a fair bit from year to year.


I don't hate it.

Only 2 x Div 5 clubs in C2 though. Plympton unbackable favourites in C3

I am pretty keen to play against clubs I have never played before though, i.e - Portland, Pt District, SHOC and Seaton

It is what it is. Now we focus on Round 1
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby carey » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:49 pm

I would think Ovies are stiff to be in C1.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Masha » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:55 pm

TIRED TIGER wrote:
Executive Member wrote:
Masha wrote:Do like the draw for us, no more Havens, Plympton or Lutheran woohoo :lol:

Seems to be an even draw in C4, will be interesting to see what the C1/C2 clubs of last year bring to the division in terms of quality. Wouldnt imagine their past result been enough to go off, C grade sides do change a fair bit from year to year.


Didn't rate Hope Valley Masha
They only won the comp :lol:

yeah EM 33 goals to zero if my memory is right :?


Meh they had players who could have easily played higher, but wanted a premiership in the C grade. Dont rate that :roll:

Nah just kidding, I actually forgot them...my bad. 8)
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby woodublieve12 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:37 pm

S Demon wrote:
Masha wrote:Do like the draw for us, no more Havens, Plympton or Lutheran woohoo :lol:

Seems to be an even draw in C4, will be interesting to see what the C1/C2 clubs of last year bring to the division in terms of quality. Wouldnt imagine their past result been enough to go off, C grade sides do change a fair bit from year to year.


I don't hate it.

Only 2 x Div 5 clubs in C2 though. Plympton unbackable favourites in C3

I am pretty keen to play against clubs I have never played before though, i.e - Portland, Pt District, SHOC and Seaton

It is what it is. Now we focus on Round 1


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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby woodublieve12 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:38 pm

S Demon wrote:C1
Adel Uni
Gaza
Goodwood Saints
Old Ignatians
Ovingham
PHOS Camden
ROC
Salisbury Nth
SPOC
Walkerville

C2
Adel Lutheran
Adel Uni
Athelstone
Hope Valley
Pembroke
Pooraka
Pt District
Portland
SHOC
Seaton

C3
Adel Uni
Elizabeth
Fitzroy
Hectorville
Kenilworth
Lockleys
Mawson Lakes
Plympton
Scotch
Woodville Sth

C4
CBCOC
Brahma Lodge
Eastern Park
Glenunga
Payneham NU
Pultney
Rosewater
Salisbury West
Trinity OS
Wingfield

C7
Kenilworth
Salisbury
Gaza
Goodwood Saints
Greenacres


did you make that up yourself SD or is that the leagues proposal????
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Masha » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:40 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:
S Demon wrote:C1
Adel Uni
Gaza
Goodwood Saints
Old Ignatians
Ovingham
PHOS Camden
ROC
Salisbury Nth
SPOC
Walkerville

C2
Adel Lutheran
Adel Uni
Athelstone
Hope Valley
Pembroke
Pooraka
Pt District
Portland
SHOC
Seaton

C3
Adel Uni
Elizabeth
Fitzroy
Hectorville
Kenilworth
Lockleys
Mawson Lakes
Plympton
Scotch
Woodville Sth

C4
CBCOC
Brahma Lodge
Eastern Park
Glenunga
Payneham NU
Pultney
Rosewater
Salisbury West
Trinity OS
Wingfield

C7
Kenilworth
Salisbury
Gaza
Goodwood Saints
Greenacres


did you make that up yourself SD or is that the leagues proposal????


From what Im lead to believe, they ARE the divisions, already accepted. Could be wrong. Executive Member to confirm?
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby lutz » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:01 pm

carey wrote:I would think Ovies are stiff to be in C1.


I disagree, as it is their A grade. They did ok in C2 last year, and i would expect them to be fine in C1.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby S Demon » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:08 pm

Masha wrote:Meh they had players who could have easily played higher, but wanted a premiership in the C grade. Dont rate that :roll:

Nah just kidding, I actually forgot them...my bad. 8)


What grade you playing this year Masha?

Unfortunately (or fortunately) the day we played you guys we had 15 emergencies. Now as far as I'm aware (unless the rules have changed) the A and B grade can only have 21 players each. So are the guys who are good enough to play higher but couldn't quite crack the first 42 meant to not play at all? Or does the C grade then pick the next 25 best players available? I think you know the answer to that...
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby S Demon » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:09 pm

Masha wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:
S Demon wrote:C1
Adel Uni
Gaza
Goodwood Saints
Old Ignatians
Ovingham
PHOS Camden
ROC
Salisbury Nth
SPOC
Walkerville

C2
Adel Lutheran
Adel Uni
Athelstone
Hope Valley
Pembroke
Pooraka
Pt District
Portland
SHOC
Seaton

C3
Adel Uni
Elizabeth
Fitzroy
Hectorville
Kenilworth
Lockleys
Mawson Lakes
Plympton
Scotch
Woodville Sth

C4
CBCOC
Brahma Lodge
Eastern Park
Glenunga
Payneham NU
Pultney
Rosewater
Salisbury West
Trinity OS
Wingfield

C7
Kenilworth
Salisbury
Gaza
Goodwood Saints
Greenacres


did you make that up yourself SD or is that the leagues proposal????


From what Im lead to believe, they ARE the divisions, already accepted. Could be wrong. Executive Member to confirm?


My understanding is that these will be the divisions IF the clubs vote in the new C Grade competition...? I think??
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