SAAFL Division 7 & D7R (2012)

[Q.]

It's almost a different subject, micromanagement of your players. How do you get your unfit players up to the standard of the rest of your group, how do you manage injuries, how do you keep players accountable, all while trying to perfect game plans and structures.

Indeed it is Q! I am pleased someone has been able to understand what I am trying to say.

And that micromanagement is easier when you have your players for twice a week

[hazza11]

This would depend on many factors:

The player involved
The type of training
The players fitness history etc.

I can personally guarantee that we would have players at Mitchell Park that would get next to no physical benefit from training twice instead of once, as they have a physically demanding job, are naturally aerobically fit and lets be honest we don't train that hard at Div 7 level.

You seem to be thinking I am purporting that I think training is completely worthless - it is not and it is important, I just think it isn't as important, to some players...

I agree with some of which Morell has posted, players whom have physically demanding jobs or what not will get very little from doing 2 x trainings. Back at St.Pauls I think in 06 and 07 (maybe wrong), but both years we had quality sides, but died in the arse in finals because IMO players were burnt out. During these years (towards the end of year) I didn't enjoy training, as I went straight to training from work(pushed hard at training two nights a week) and as a result felt the desire for the game die off!
Very hard for a coach to juggle this, but Morell does raise some good points.

[Q.]

For players that struggle with their heavy workload will benefit from using one of those trainings to get a massage and throw on the skins to do ten minutes on a bike and/or walk a few laps etc.

[Yank Man]

It's almost a different subject, micromanagement of your players. How do you get your unfit players up to the standard of the rest of your group, how do you manage injuries, how do you keep players accountable, all while trying to perfect game plans and structures.

Indeed it is Q! I am pleased someone has been able to understand what I am trying to say.

No one will outdo you Morell. I tried and conceded. What hope do they have. You need to go to training.

[morell]

It's almost a different subject, micromanagement of your players. How do you get your unfit players up to the standard of the rest of your group, how do you manage injuries, how do you keep players accountable, all while trying to perfect game plans and structures.

Indeed it is Q! I am pleased someone has been able to understand what I am trying to say.

No one will outdo you Morell. I tried and conceded. What hope do they have. You need to go to training.

Haha, i meant that as a reflection on me and my inability to convey a concise argument. Many people have gotten the better of me and will do so again.

Im actually feeling reasonably fit with all my cycling, might be able to complete a warm up without feeling like im going to throw up. Definetely better than this time last year whereby i could barely walk!

[dee man]

been the best reading i have had in a while
even tho alot of the posters are friends of mine i must admit i havent read so much crap in my whole life
some are players,some coaches,some ex coaches and alot of people who think they are better than coaches
this all should be on a thread alot higher up the league
truely understand clubs and coaches ect trying to get the best out of their players but lets be real
the fitness is of course a great benifit as well as strenght flexability ect but lets be real
the guys playing down at this level is for the love of the game
they work,have families and commitments
if you can get them to one training your doing well,esp if its all on the same night
you need to manage players not burn them
and the main thing that no one has mentioned is not the fitness,strenght ect but the fact that if they dont know how to get the pill and what to do with it,your waisting your time
talent comes naturally,not trined or drummed into them but discipline,which is what wins games is another matter
and at this level,what a coach says to a player is normally forgotten before the coach even finishes

[New Era]

been the best reading i have had in a while
even tho alot of the posters are friends of mine i must admit i havent read so much crap in my whole life
some are players,some coaches,some ex coaches and alot of people who think they are better than coaches
this all should be on a thread alot higher up the league
truely understand clubs and coaches ect trying to get the best out of their players but lets be real
the fitness is of course a great benifit as well as strenght flexability ect but lets be real
the guys playing down at this level is for the love of the game
they work,have families and commitments
if you can get them to one training your doing well,esp if its all on the same night
you need to manage players not burn them
and the main thing that no one has mentioned is not the fitness,strenght ect but the fact that if they dont know how to get the pill and what to do with it,your waisting your time
talent comes naturally,not trined or drummed into them but discipline,which is what wins games is another matter
and at this level,what a coach says to a player is normally forgotten before the coach even finishes

Well said Dee Man.
If there are coaches in this grade or even at higher trying to acheive anything but providing a base for people to enjoy the game then they are not only kidding themselves but wasting a lot of personal energy. Forget the level 1 & 2 coaches courses (not sure if they're compulsory these days) and go with what you've got. It's an easy game and should be enjoyable

[Jetters]

been the best reading i have had in a while
even tho alot of the posters are friends of mine i must admit i havent read so much crap in my whole life
some are players,some coaches,some ex coaches and alot of people who think they are better than coaches
this all should be on a thread alot higher up the league
truely understand clubs and coaches ect trying to get the best out of their players but lets be real
the fitness is of course a great benifit as well as strenght flexability ect but lets be real
the guys playing down at this level is for the love of the game
they work,have families and commitments
if you can get them to one training your doing well,esp if its all on the same night
you need to manage players not burn them
and the main thing that no one has mentioned is not the fitness,strenght ect but the fact that if they dont know how to get the pill and what to do with it,your waisting your time
talent comes naturally,not trined or drummed into them but discipline,which is what wins games is another matter
and at this level,what a coach says to a player is normally forgotten before the coach even finishes

Chicken or the egg?

Are they playing a low level because they are not bothered to put the effort in to improve themselves, or are they unable to put the effort in and therefore choose to play at this level.

For some your point is valid, for others its a cop out.

strength*

[dee man]

been the best reading i have had in a while
even tho alot of the posters are friends of mine i must admit i havent read so much crap in my whole life
some are players,some coaches,some ex coaches and alot of people who think they are better than coaches
this all should be on a thread alot higher up the league
truely understand clubs and coaches ect trying to get the best out of their players but lets be real
the fitness is of course a great benifit as well as strenght flexability ect but lets be real
the guys playing down at this level is for the love of the game
they work,have families and commitments
if you can get them to one training your doing well,esp if its all on the same night
you need to manage players not burn them
and the main thing that no one has mentioned is not the fitness,strenght ect but the fact that if they dont know how to get the pill and what to do with it,your waisting your time
talent comes naturally,not trined or drummed into them but discipline,which is what wins games is another matter
and at this level,what a coach says to a player is normally forgotten before the coach even finishes

Chicken or the egg?

Are they playing a low level because they are not bothered to put the effort in to improve themselves, or are they unable to put the effort in and therefore choose to play at this level.

For some your point is valid, for others its a cop out.

strength*

most that play at this level are at the end of their playing days,playing with mates or have rejoined a club they played their juniors at
the fact that most that play at the lower end is not through their lack of wanting success and wins but more the fact they love the game,their mates and the whole community aspect of the club
you would also find in most cases that the number of one club players happens at the lower end of the league
as for the chicken and the egg....i think the farmer came first

[supersonicgun]

Couldn't of said it better myself deeman it's all about having fun at this level and most other divisions in amateur league,blokes like zed take it a bit to seriously at times

[frontfoot]

been the best reading i have had in a while
even tho alot of the posters are friends of mine i must admit i havent read so much crap in my whole life
some are players,some coaches,some ex coaches and alot of people who think they are better than coaches
this all should be on a thread alot higher up the league
truely understand clubs and coaches ect trying to get the best out of their players but lets be real
the fitness is of course a great benifit as well as strenght flexability ect but lets be real
the guys playing down at this level is for the love of the game
they work,have families and commitments
if you can get them to one training your doing well,esp if its all on the same night
you need to manage players not burn them
and the main thing that no one has mentioned is not the fitness,strenght ect but the fact that if they dont know how to get the pill and what to do with it,your waisting your time
talent comes naturally,not trined or drummed into them but discipline,which is what wins games is another matter
and at this level,what a coach says to a player is normally forgotten before the coach even finishes

I just don't understand some of the crap you have put up.

First point. If you build up a culture of mate ship and good club environment, people will want to train 2 nights a week. I would never play for a club where guys don't think they have to train and still get a game. If people cant train at least once or twice a week they are playing for the wrong reasons.

Second point. Maybe that is y you want guys to train, so you can teach them the style of footy you want them to play and play as a team. Cant teach crap if they are not there!

3rd point. If you are a good coach and have the respect of the players, what you say as a coach is not forgotten before you finish. Basically you are calling your players dumb and a coach who struggles to get the best out of them.

Im sure SHOC trained very hard last season and trained both nights of the week which showed grand final day. If you want to stay down the bottom of Div 7 or even fade away to a one side club, just train when you feel like it and then wonder y you struggle to run out a game or attract people to your club.
Biggest load of crap i have heard.
God you talk some crasp

[Yank Man]

Great to read all the b....hit. If you believe you belong at this level then that is where you will stay. If you want your club to climb then you recruit club guys who will hang around and eventually take you there. What genuine club player is actually happy hangin' around with his mates and being OK and staying where they are. Players want success regardless of the Div they play and want to test themselves at the next level. If you coach and believe anything different then coach Kids and let them prove you wrong.

[dee man]

Great to read all the b....hit. If you believe you belong at this level then that is where you will stay. If you want your club to climb then you recruit club guys who will hang around and eventually take you there. What genuine club player is actually happy hangin' around with his mates and being OK and staying where they are. Players want success regardless of the Div they play and want to test themselves at the next level. If you coach and believe anything different then coach Kids and let them prove you wrong.

dont kid yourself mate
you can never look past your own backyard

[dee man]

been the best reading i have had in a while
even tho alot of the posters are friends of mine i must admit i havent read so much crap in my whole life
some are players,some coaches,some ex coaches and alot of people who think they are better than coaches
this all should be on a thread alot higher up the league
truely understand clubs and coaches ect trying to get the best out of their players but lets be real
the fitness is of course a great benifit as well as strenght flexability ect but lets be real
the guys playing down at this level is for the love of the game
they work,have families and commitments
if you can get them to one training your doing well,esp if its all on the same night
you need to manage players not burn them
and the main thing that no one has mentioned is not the fitness,strenght ect but the fact that if they dont know how to get the pill and what to do with it,your waisting your time
talent comes naturally,not trined or drummed into them but discipline,which is what wins games is another matter
and at this level,what a coach says to a player is normally forgotten before the coach even finishes

I just don't understand some of the crap you have put up.

First point. If you build up a culture of mate ship and good club environment, people will want to train 2 nights a week. I would never play for a club where guys don't think they have to train and still get a game. If people cant train at least once or twice a week they are playing for the wrong reasons.

Second point. Maybe that is y you want guys to train, so you can teach them the style of footy you want them to play and play as a team. Cant teach crap if they are not there!

3rd point. If you are a good coach and have the respect of the players, what you say as a coach is not forgotten before you finish. Basically you are calling your players dumb and a coach who struggles to get the best out of them.

Im sure SHOC trained very hard last season and trained both nights of the week which showed grand final day. If you want to stay down the bottom of Div 7 or even fade away to a one side club, just train when you feel like it and then wonder y you struggle to run out a game or attract people to your club.
Biggest load of crap i have heard.
God you talk some crasp

mate,i dont believe i state once that they only need to train once or not at all
i have not agreed either way,what i have done is understand why they dont
i have made my observations from experience and the feed back i get from alot of coaches
as for speaking crap,maybe i do to some,but what i have found to be interseting is that over the years i have met in person alot of the people who speak so much great wisdom and knowledge on these threads and the majority are the guys we have at all clubs............
but i will let you figure that out

[AndersonWalkWarrior]

chicken or the egg???

its common sense, u cant f..k an egg!

[zedman]

Couldn't of said it better myself deeman it's all about having fun at this level and most other divisions in amateur league,blokes like zed take it a bit to seriously at times

go and wallow with your pot belly in your underachieving puddle then..you sill havent pointed out where i was wrong..just a hater..with nothing..i actually wear your derision with pride..i do take it serious..and our players expect that from us even though its a low grade..

deeman: div 6 is not a bunch of old hacks having some fun..you should know that better then anyone..we play just as serious as the higher divisions..to generalise these grades are just social and for fun is a slap in the face to hard working clubs, volunteers and players who want success and want to climb the grades..c grades in div 7 are different matter but dont throw the baby out with the bathwater

[zedman]

Couldn't of said it better myself deeman it's all about having fun at this level and most other divisions in amateur league,blokes like zed take it a bit to seriously at times

go and wallow with your pot belly in your underachieving puddle then..you sill havent pointed out where i was wrong..just a hater..with nothing..i actually wear your derision with pride..i do take it serious..and our players expect that from us even though its a low grade..

deeman: div 6 is not a bunch of old hacks having some fun..you should know that better then anyone..we play just as serious as the higher divisions..to generalise these grades are just social and for fun is a slap in the face to hard working clubs, volunteers and players who want success and want to climb the grades..c grades in div 7 are different matter but dont throw the baby out with the bathwater

Haha pot belly just got back from the gym and that's what I'm working on,a fitness base so I dont have to train 2 nights a week if I decide to play,good on u for taking it so serious and if u win a flag u will be able to cut out that 3 line write up in the local messenger and stick it on your bedroom wall WANKER

[Q.]

We're in it to win premierships, no matter what the Div. It is the pinnacle and nothing else comes close. Premierships aren't often won by teams full of players who want to do their own thing.

Play C-Grade if you don't give a shit. Play A-Grade and bust your balls, be a part of something special and help a club rise through the divisions.

[LaughingKookaburra]

"As an idea one of the worst full training sessions I have seen from a reasonably motivated and resourced Mitchell Park was the Thursday before the 2002 Div 6 Grand Final. It was a debacle and all the old men drinking their beer at the bar were exclaiming how we had no chance.

We won by 16 goals."

Funny you say this Morrell, this year was incredibly tight in div 6.

If my memory serves me correct Kenilworth was the last team to knock off a pretty much full strength Parks before they won the flag. Also I reckon a certain poster on this forum kicked 7 straight on a flank and kicked the best goal I have ever seen @ amateur level. Probably one of the best wins I have ever played in.
If our helmet headed FF that day kicked straight instead of 2.7 we would have won by 10 goal, no wonder we replaced him with Osborn

[dee man]

Couldn't of said it better myself deeman it's all about having fun at this level and most other divisions in amateur league,blokes like zed take it a bit to seriously at times

go and wallow with your pot belly in your underachieving puddle then..you sill havent pointed out where i was wrong..just a hater..with nothing..i actually wear your derision with pride..i do take it serious..and our players expect that from us even though its a low grade..

deeman: div 6 is not a bunch of old hacks having some fun..you should know that better then anyone..we play just as serious as the higher divisions..to generalise these grades are just social and for fun is a slap in the face to hard working clubs, volunteers and players who want success and want to climb the grades..c grades in div 7 are different matter but dont throw the baby out with the bathwater

understand what you are saying and i do agree about the wanting to win and all that
what i am stating and its fact is that even tho the want is their and the determination is their i also understand that at that level ,where the boys are playing for the game and not the money ,you can not expect to get the total commitment at training that you require as a coach to set up your plays,training drills ect
at no stage have i said that any of the players are hacks but i did state the obvious on the content and that my opion
each side has about 6 quality footyballers but then the sides are made up of mid range to lower