GSFL Movements

[The Little Master]

but if they were full in 2011 and had 8 points players they all minus one so they probably have 8 to pley with

how many points have everyone got for next year? how do ya recruit if you dont know what you have?

mclaren should put everyone at ease and call themselves the mclaren crows. they wear a crows gurnset ffs

[field of dreams]

but if they were full in 2011 and had 8 points players they all minus one so they probably have 8 to pley with

how many points have everyone got for next year? how do ya recruit if you dont know what you have?

Good question.....

Does anyone know what the points allocation will be for 2012? This year it was:

The Top Three Teams will be allocated a total of 13 points.
The Middle Four Teams will be allocated a total of 15 points.
The Bottom Three Teams will be allocated a total of 17 points.

But wasnt that with an extra 2 each due to the SAAFL not getting on-board with the points system in time?

So is it 11, 13, 15 or 13, 15, 17 again?

If the first scenario is right they will hav 15. This year they had 17 available and 8 players totalling 20 points that played. Minus 8 will give them 12 plus 3 for Harvey = 15....so not much room at all unless they can get some zero pointers back.

[LuvsFooty]

I think there is a points proposal on the table for the league AGM. It looks very simple and also very logical. We have got plenty of carry over points, but one of those players is moving interstate and everyone else is now 1 less, which eases things. Along with that there are some 0 pointers returning.

I would suspect that the new proposal will get voted in but if not you would assume that points would be the same as in 2011. If points were to be deducted from clubs then it would have needed to be put in concrete well before late November. Surely they wouldnt take 2 points off of a team that finished dead last and won one game?

[field of dreams]

Thanks LF - let us know when you hear more please.

[LuvsFooty]

This is it in a nutshell. Every league gets 150 points allocated, in the past the GSFL has not used their full CFB allocation. This system just filters the "left over" points in to the bottom half of the table.

The position where a Club finishes on the premiership ladder and to include Finals:

1st - 3rd @ 11 points (Total 33), no change.

4th & 5th @ 13 points (Total 26), no change.

6th - 8th @ 17 points (Total 51), increase of 4 points.

9th & 10th @ 20 points (Total 40), increase of 5 points

Top 3 obviously dont get an advantage, 4th and 5th dont benefit immediately but a slip to 6th would see them get 4 extra the following year which would be very handy to push back to the top 5. 6th and 7th are assisted and 8th maintain the same points as this year, which is better than an unnecessary deduction, while 9th and 10th who wouldnt want to be there for long get a chance to play catch up. Seems like a big gap, but 7 points between 1st and 10th is really only 2 players and clubs only have a limited amount of funds available which will probably end up being the major restricting factor.

[field of dreams]

Ta

Over last year the changes are actually:

1: -2
2: -2
3: -2
4: -2
5: -2
6: +2
7: +2
8: 0
9: +3
10: +3

Be interesting to see if it gets up. When's the AGM?

[LuvsFooty]

I copied and pasted. Must have been based on previous years figures. I guess we will see. If it gets voted in we are in for an exciting season, if not we will probably see the same top 5 as 2011 and probably the bottom 5 will continue to stregthen in the magoos

[Tiger83]

I cant see anything changing, the top clubs have always voted down changes to the system, and i cant see them changing their outlook any time soon... Easiest way is to abolish the points system altogether but that is never gonna happen now! Clever recruiting and making an enjoyable environment for the players is the best way to retain players these days.

[words of wisdom]

This is it in a nutshell. Every league gets 150 points allocated, in the past the GSFL has not used their full CFB allocation. This system just filters the "left over" points in to the bottom half of the table.

The position where a Club finishes on the premiership ladder and to include Finals:

1st - 3rd @ 11 points (Total 33), no change.

4th & 5th @ 13 points (Total 26), no change.

6th - 8th @ 17 points (Total 51), increase of 4 points.

9th & 10th @ 20 points (Total 40), increase of 5 points

Top 3 obviously dont get an advantage, 4th and 5th dont benefit immediately but a slip to 6th would see them get 4 extra the following year which would be very handy to push back to the top 5. 6th and 7th are assisted and 8th maintain the same points as this year, which is better than an unnecessary deduction, while 9th and 10th who wouldnt want to be there for long get a chance to play catch up. Seems like a big gap, but 7 points between 1st and 10th is really only 2 players and clubs only have a limited amount of funds available which will probably end up being the major restricting factor.

Sorry LF but thats still to many points for the top 3. Are you saying there's only 2 players difference between 1st & 6th? Also how long could a club afford to keep paying a side with 20 points each week?

[LuvsFooty]

There is a bigger on field gap, but it's a compromise and is certainly better than nothing. The bottom 5 seem to be not too bad on retaining they just need an injection of points to speed up the leveling process which probably should have been done in year 1. with 4 of the 5 bottom clubs having b grade finalists is this a bi product of the points? Less emphasis on continually playing catch up and instead trying to be successful in other areas?

[words of wisdom]

There is a bigger on field gap, but it's a compromise and is certainly better than nothing. The bottom 5 seem to be not too bad on retaining they just need an injection of points to speed up the leveling process which probably should have been done in year 1. with 4 of the 5 bottom clubs having b grade finalists is this a bi product of the points? Less emphasis on continually playing catch up and instead trying to be successful in other areas?

I guess what i'm saying instead of giving more points to the bottom clubs, 6th to 10th, cut the top. Less pressure on the lower clubs to find more cash in an inflated player market!

1st & 2nd 6 points
3rd 8 points
4th & 5th 13 points
6th & 7th 15 points
8th, 9th, 10th 17 points

That would even it up & give clubs a chance of rebuilding quicker to play finals.
If all those players have left Compass, it will take them alot of years to play finals under the current system.

[That Old Chestnut]

There is a bigger on field gap, but it's a compromise and is certainly better than nothing. The bottom 5 seem to be not too bad on retaining they just need an injection of points to speed up the leveling process which probably should have been done in year 1. with 4 of the 5 bottom clubs having b grade finalists is this a bi product of the points? Less emphasis on continually playing catch up and instead trying to be successful in other areas?

I guess what i'm saying instead of giving more points to the bottom clubs, 6th to 10th, cut the top. Less pressure on the lower clubs to find more cash in an inflated player market!

1st & 2nd 6 points
3rd 8 points
4th & 5th 13 points
6th & 7th 15 points
8th, 9th, 10th 17 points

That would even it up & give clubs a chance of rebuilding quicker to play finals.
If all those players have left Compass, it will take them alot of years to play finals under the current system.

An interesting point is that the team that everyone would think would be the easiest to retain players and attract new ones is the team that put forward this new proposal. They are also one of the teams that will benefit the most from this proposal. Perhaps they should work a bit harder like the rest of the clubs and recruit the right sort of players that play at a club for the right reasons and hang around more than one year......

[Old Mate]

6 points to the top clubs is rediculous. I think 10 or 11 is fair and up to 20 for the lower.
It doesn't mean the lower clubs try and get 5 sanfl players at $500+ each who might stay for a year and then disappear. Maybe look at smaller name players and get 6 of them at $200-$300 each who will appreciate it and therefore want to hang around and help develop the club.

6 points is essentially 1 player per year, because after you get 2 recruits one year you can't get any the next and have to wait until their points are down the year after. Too bad if a player wants to come to the club just to play with some mates, or they have just moved into the area.
I don't think the top clubs should be punished for being successful, by all means help the lower clubs but we want the gsfl to stay at the level of football it's at now or better.

[BAYSRULE]

6 points to the top clubs is rediculous. I think 10 or 11 is fair and up to 20 for the lower.
It doesn't mean the lower clubs try and get 5 sanfl players at $500+ each who might stay for a year and then disappear. Maybe look at smaller name players and get 6 of them at $200-$300 each who will appreciate it and therefore want to hang around and help develop the club.

6 points is essentially 1 player per year, because after you get 2 recruits one year you can't get any the next and have to wait until their points are down the year after. Too bad if a player wants to come to the club just to play with some mates, or they have just moved into the area.
I don't think the top clubs should be punished for being successful, by all means help the lower clubs but we want the gsfl to stay at the level of football it's at now or better.

BUT here in your comment lies the problem... The smaller ones come to your club and they reach the 0 point stage then get recruited by another club and they pay them $800.00.. One that I am sure the Bays thought was gonna hang around and help develop the Club and as he told us all he was... SO of course there gonna run for the money... So none of these will play for the $200.00 - $300.00 .. They want as much as you are quoting for the X SANFL players... wow just imaging the money needed for them now.. SO the points system needs to do something to stop the ridiculous $$ being spent on the players locally..

[words of wisdom]

6 points to the top clubs is rediculous. I think 10 or 11 is fair and up to 20 for the lower.
It doesn't mean the lower clubs try and get 5 sanfl players at $500+ each who might stay for a year and then disappear. Maybe look at smaller name players and get 6 of them at $200-$300 each who will appreciate it and therefore want to hang around and help develop the club.

6 points is essentially 1 player per year, because after you get 2 recruits one year you can't get any the next and have to wait until their points are down the year after. Too bad if a player wants to come to the club just to play with some mates, or they have just moved into the area.
I don't think the top clubs should be punished for being successful, by all means help the lower clubs but we want the gsfl to stay at the level of football it's at now or better.

It's not about punishing the top clubs, it's about evening the league up, reducing blow outs. 3 clubs have played in the last 5 Grand Finals, 5 in the last 10. Smaller name players aren't going to beat the likes of Feast or Steele, Warren or Hams on the big stage. 6 points is low for the top 2, correct, but thats only if you stay at the top permenantly. Also thats 2 players one year and you could play a colt the next year and recruit one more. By having to play that colt it also helps developement within. Remember the point system was designed to reduce big spending and give all clubs a chance, in time, at a flag. Has it?

[Stinky Pig Dog Bill]

Turner from Marion to Goolwa and now to meadows for big $$. Not sure what they need to go to next level but that seems a strange move. 2 average years at 2 very average teams

From the Hills country thread

[livefooty]

Turner from Marion to Goolwa and now to meadows for big $$. Not sure what they need to go to next level but that seems a strange move. 2 average years at 2 very average teams

From the Hills country thread

U would think if he was any sort of a decent bloke he would atleast give a club a couple of years n not chase coin,shit effort i think ! His 2 mates have signed back on so not sure were hes at, But in the end its his call n if true we will definately move on !

[grasshopper22]

Turner from Marion to Goolwa and now to meadows for big $$. Not sure what they need to go to next level but that seems a strange move. 2 average years at 2 very average teams

From the Hills country thread

U would think if he was any sort of a decent bloke he would atleast give a club a couple of years n not chase coin,shit effort i think ! His 2 mates have signed back on so not sure were hes at, But in the end its his call n if true we will definately move on !

Yeah I don't understand how players can chop and change clubs every year,. Makes u wonder what is appealing when recruiting him as seems there's definately no loyalty at all

[BFG]

Turner from Marion to Goolwa and now to meadows for big $$. Not sure what they need to go to next level but that seems a strange move. 2 average years at 2 very average teams

From the Hills country thread

U would think if he was any sort of a decent bloke he would atleast give a club a couple of years n not chase coin,shit effort i think ! His 2 mates have signed back on so not sure were hes at, But in the end its his call n if true we will definately move on !

Yeah I don't understand how players can chop and change clubs every year,. Makes u wonder what is appealing when recruiting him as seems there's definately no loyalty at all

dont think hes made up his mind yet, last i heard he was wanting to do a pre season with a league club. maybe thats changed tho if a payrise was on the cards

[words of wisdom]

Any news from the Gsfl AGM?