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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby White Unicorn » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:12 am

Maybe to make it easier, how many goals would the Henley or SHOC B grade (Div 1R) beat their C Grade (Div 6,7) by? I would think shoc b grade all things being equal would beat the c grade by 15 goals. Would a div 5 club beat Henley or SHOC C grades by that much? Perhaps. Not sure?
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby story of my life » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:22 am

Pointless exercise
bit like a new coach of Glenelg asking about long service leave entitlements
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby BFG » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:22 am

White Unicorn wrote:Maybe to make it easier, how many goals would the Henley or SHOC B grade (Div 1R) beat their C Grade (Div 6,7) by? I would think shoc b grade all things being equal would beat the c grade by 15 goals. Would a div 5 club beat Henley or SHOC C grades by that much? Perhaps. Not sure?


this year im sure a div 5 club wouldve beaten henley by 15 goals. there was some big scores kicked against them. in saying that some weeks they were very very competitive.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Q. » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:45 am

BFG wrote:
White Unicorn wrote:Maybe to make it easier, how many goals would the Henley or SHOC B grade (Div 1R) beat their C Grade (Div 6,7) by? I would think shoc b grade all things being equal would beat the c grade by 15 goals. Would a div 5 club beat Henley or SHOC C grades by that much? Perhaps. Not sure?


this year im sure a div 5 club wouldve beaten henley by 15 goals. there was some big scores kicked against them. in saying that some weeks they were very very competitive.


Henley's C-Grade were on the wrong end of 90+ point thrashings at the hands of Glenunga and Kenilworth. Blackfriars also beat them by 20 goals in R17.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Boosh » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:47 am

I think I could write compelling arguements for both cases so it is a matter of opinion and will always will be.

The only comparison that I can be certain of is between my club North Haven and our closest heighbour Port Districts because I know almost all the blokes that play there.

Obviously their Div 2 team would trounce our Div 5 team but our Div 5 team would equally hammer their Div 2R team which I think clears up absolutley nothing but thought I would share
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:53 am

I think we get the picture mate, you say it best when you say nothing at all ;)

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story of my life wrote:Pointless exercise
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Footy Follower » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:57 am

Boosh wrote:I think I could write compelling arguements for both cases so it is a matter of opinion and will always will be.

The only comparison that I can be certain of is between my club North Haven and our closest heighbour Port Districts because I know almost all the blokes that play there.

Obviously their Div 2 team would trounce our Div 5 team but our Div 5 team would equally hammer their Div 2R team which I think clears up absolutley nothing but thought I would share


Nice try here Boosh. The only problem with this example is that Port District B grade this year were terrible and finished equal bottom where as North Haven's A grade were reasonable and finished in the top 5.
I think we will find this is a year by year thing. The standard of whatever grade will change yearly, it's just a fact of football.
But if we compare the average for the year in both a high divisions reserves side vs a low divisions A grade e.g. 5th vs 5th or top vs top, that is the closest cmparision we will get.

The Henley c grade example is way off as your talking about 21 guys who are all below the standard of the 21 guys running around in the b grade. That is why their playing c grade for the club. If Henley's C grade got within a few kicks or won any games against a clubs A grade team we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Boosh » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:29 pm

Footy Follower wrote:
Boosh wrote:I think I could write compelling arguements for both cases so it is a matter of opinion and will always will be.

The only comparison that I can be certain of is between my club North Haven and our closest heighbour Port Districts because I know almost all the blokes that play there.

Obviously their Div 2 team would trounce our Div 5 team but our Div 5 team would equally hammer their Div 2R team which I think clears up absolutley nothing but thought I would share


Nice try here Boosh. The only problem with this example is that Port District B grade this year were terrible and finished equal bottom where as North Haven's A grade were reasonable and finished in the top 5.
I think we will find this is a year by year thing. The standard of whatever grade will change yearly, it's just a fact of football.
But if we compare the average for the year in both a high divisions reserves side vs a low divisions A grade e.g. 5th vs 5th or top vs top, that is the closest cmparision we will get.

The Henley c grade example is way off as your talking about 21 guys who are all below the standard of the 21 guys running around in the b grade. That is why their playing c grade for the club. If Henley's C grade got within a few kicks or won any games against a clubs A grade team we wouldn't be having this conversation.


I know it isn't an answer to the big question but it is the only comparison I can make with any sort of accuracy
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Cash 123 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:23 pm

Boosh wrote:I think I could write compelling arguements for both cases so it is a matter of opinion and will always will be.

The only comparison that I can be certain of is between my club North Haven and our closest heighbour Port Districts because I know almost all the blokes that play there.

Obviously their Div 2 team would trounce our Div 5 team but our Div 5 team would equally hammer their Div 2R team which I think clears up absolutley nothing but thought I would share


Your Div 5 team didnt even win half their games Boosh. I know their Div 2 res only won 4 games but yous only won 8 games out of 18 so I rekon if you were looking for a comparison you would be playing the reserves and not smashing them by as much as you think.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:28 pm

Give it a few years and we'll be able to get SAAFL on PS3 and you can just autoplay it.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Q. » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:34 pm

Footy Follower wrote:The Henley c grade example is way off as your talking about 21 guys who are all below the standard of the 21 guys running around in the b grade. That is why their playing c grade for the club. If Henley's C grade got within a few kicks or won any games against a clubs A grade team we wouldn't be having this conversation.


Exactly, so wouldn't it be plausible to suggest that a side who is thrashing a C-Grade team likely to be competitive against the B-Grade. The top sides in Div 5 would have handed out much worse than 100-point wins against Henley's C-Grade this year, so it stands to reason that that Div 5 team could be competitive with Div 1R teams.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Footy Follower » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:45 pm

Quichey wrote:
Footy Follower wrote:The Henley c grade example is way off as your talking about 21 guys who are all below the standard of the 21 guys running around in the b grade. That is why their playing c grade for the club. If Henley's C grade got within a few kicks or won any games against a clubs A grade team we wouldn't be having this conversation.


Exactly, so wouldn't it be plausible to suggest that a side who is thrashing a C-Grade team likely to be competitive against the B-Grade. The top sides in Div 5 would have handed out much worse than 100-point wins against Henley's C-Grade this year, so it stands to reason that that Div 5 team could be competitive with Div 1R teams.


I think the key word there is competitive. I have no doubt a top div4 or 5 team would be competitive with the likes of Henley 1R or SHOC 1R, but competitive is a long way from winning. My money would still be with the reserves side.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby lutz » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:27 pm

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Nice try here Boosh. The only problem with this example is that Port District B grade this year were terrible and finished equal bottom where as North Haven's A grade were reasonable and finished in the top 5.
I think we will find this is a year by year thing. The standard of whatever grade will change yearly, it's just a fact of football.
But if we compare the average for the year in both a high divisions reserves side vs a low divisions A grade e.g. 5th vs 5th or top vs top, that is the closest cmparision we will get.

The Henley c grade example is way off as your talking about 21 guys who are all below the standard of the 21 guys running around in the b grade. That is why their playing c grade for the club. If Henley's C grade got within a few kicks or won any games against a clubs A grade team we wouldn't be having this conversation.


Henley C grade has beaten many A grades in the past. This year was probably the weakest Henlety C grade in 5 years fwiw.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Q. » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:39 pm

Footy Follower wrote:
Quichey wrote:
Footy Follower wrote:The Henley c grade example is way off as your talking about 21 guys who are all below the standard of the 21 guys running around in the b grade. That is why their playing c grade for the club. If Henley's C grade got within a few kicks or won any games against a clubs A grade team we wouldn't be having this conversation.


Exactly, so wouldn't it be plausible to suggest that a side who is thrashing a C-Grade team likely to be competitive against the B-Grade. The top sides in Div 5 would have handed out much worse than 100-point wins against Henley's C-Grade this year, so it stands to reason that that Div 5 team could be competitive with Div 1R teams.


I think the key word there is competitive. I have no doubt a top div4 or 5 team would be competitive with the likes of Henley 1R or SHOC 1R, but competitive is a long way from winning. My money would still be with the reserves side.


I think they'd be close games that could go either way.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby X Runna » Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:40 pm

Div 1R by shitloads
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:05 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:Give it a few years and we'll be able to get SAAFL on PS3 and you can just autoplay it.


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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby macca26 » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:44 am

X Runna wrote:Div 1R by shitloads


Having seen quite a few Div 5 games, and comparing to the standard of SHOC and Henley Div 1R, the Div 5 teams would not even be close. To be honest, SHOC Div1R would have gotten very close to the bottom two Div 1 teams in the last couple of years.
Always a matter of opinion though.
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Yank Man » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:26 am

macca26 wrote:
X Runna wrote:Div 1R by shitloads


Having seen quite a few Div 5 games, and comparing to the standard of SHOC and Henley Div 1R, the Div 5 teams would not even be close. To be honest, SHOC Div1R would have gotten very close to the bottom two Div 1 teams in the last couple of years.
Always a matter of opinion though.


The top 5 teams yes, but the bottom half of Div1 res can fall away. SHOC's Div 7 team from 2011 would have been right up there, some 12 odd players of that team played Div 1r and they have become an incredibly strong club of late. I guess it is only fantasy until the teams actually play each other aye?
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Bluedemon » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:59 am

any latest?
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Re: Time to prove a point.

Postby Footy Chick » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:27 pm

oh nup...I've had a million other things to worry about.

Would still be good to do if we can get the numbers...
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