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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Squids » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:41 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:
Squids wrote:How do you determine how many points a player is?

Games played?

as I understand it, it is all about where you played. If you played colts and A's at Sollies and went to Jamestown you would be three points off the Jamestown-Peterborough allocation. Two points in the second year and one in the third year. If you come back to Sollies at any time you are point free.
IMO it is stupid and slows down the standard development of the game.


Sounds confusing lol

What if you haven't played for a few years? Say if I played Sollies Colts 3 years ago and went to Jamestown I would be 0 points?
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Aussie Made » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:46 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:
Squids wrote:How do you determine how many points a player is?

Games played?

as I understand it, it is all about where you played. If you played colts and A's at Sollies and went to Jamestown you would be three points off the Jamestown-Peterborough allocation. Two points in the second year and one in the third year. If you come back to Sollies at any time you are point free.
IMO it is stupid and slows down the standard development of the game.



Correct i don't think the league is going to move forward and get stronger as a whole. If there is only a Points difference of 5 between the top and bottom teams you will still find that Money will dictate which clubs the available quality players choose to play for.

My view is as follow and Ill use Ports and lions as my example. I cant see the Lions benefiting from 4 more points than Ports where 1 and a half players doesn't mean a lot if the quality Players go to Ports via the larger pay packet and Lions are left to pick from the scraps. One exceptional player on big dollars at 3 points will still be better or of more benefit to a side than 3 average players at 9 points total. You see it in the AFL money will find a way to make things work no matter what rules are put in place to make a competition even. All clubs rich or poor deep down in side know this and the rule changes need to be made to even up the bank balances of the leagues teams. Put a monetary penalty in with the points system which will act as a tax on the high rollers and the tax can be distributed to the poorer clubs to benefit the club and the competition at the same time

example

Ports have 14 Points and recruit players that takes them up to 20 points. Instead of making quality players sit in the reserves and not improving the comp. Place a weekly penalty say $1000 for each player over the points cap allow the players to play and distribute the Tax to the Poorer teams to allow for improvements in their playing list or at their clubs. This will even up the weekly available pool of money for each club and act as a deterrent for the rich clubs as they ultimately end up financing the oppositions recruits or club improvements. Rich clubs can use their available players but long term if the poorer teams are smart they will use the Tax benefits to better their club long term and when they are financially more stable turn the tides and work on getting the on field success.

My point is money will still make a big difference and the Points difference 5 between top and bottom wont. Force the rich to help the poor
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Sky Pilot » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:47 pm

Squids wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:
Squids wrote:How do you determine how many points a player is?

Games played?

as I understand it, it is all about where you played. If you played colts and A's at Sollies and went to Jamestown you would be three points off the Jamestown-Peterborough allocation. Two points in the second year and one in the third year. If you come back to Sollies at any time you are point free.
IMO it is stupid and slows down the standard development of the game.


Sounds confusing lol

What if you haven't played for a few years? Say if I played Sollies Colts 3 years ago and went to Jamestown I would be 0 points?

My understanding is you are only NO Points if you began your footy there (where you wanna playA's)
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby backpocketplumber » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:55 pm

cominghome wrote:
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cominghome wrote:Any early player movements??

My mail is alot heading East from the West side of the Port Augusta Bridge.


interesting the rumor mill coming from port augusta .. player merry go round??? with the clean out of the west side.. seems like it could be a land of oppitunity with many stars apparently leaving ??the league jumping big money bloods will be tuff with the point system? dont they have the least points in the sgl this year due to being the top of the table? and disgruntelled bullies looking and getting outta the doghouse due to club looking at buying new breeds and not look after there current group of k9s?? very interesting times ahead points system may make it messy


Noll retired
Hobbs Doubtful
Dadleh, Collins, Hannan,O'Brien, Kelly,Zubrinich, and Kroes all apparently heading out of the Hawks nest.

A couple might join Mark Horner at Souths???



with all these guys apparently gone as well as the stapleton bros.? perhaps a brand new team hayes is creating?? so the club name west augusta hayes's or hayes augusta hawks?? for 2012?
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby On The Chest » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:33 am

Sky Pilot wrote:
Squids wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:
Squids wrote:How do you determine how many points a player is?

Games played?

as I understand it, it is all about where you played. If you played colts and A's at Sollies and went to Jamestown you would be three points off the Jamestown-Peterborough allocation. Two points in the second year and one in the third year. If you come back to Sollies at any time you are point free.
IMO it is stupid and slows down the standard development of the game.


Sounds confusing lol

What if you haven't played for a few years? Say if I played Sollies Colts 3 years ago and went to Jamestown I would be 0 points?

My understanding is you are only NO Points if you began your footy there (where you wanna playA's)


plus I believe if you have played 25 games or more for one club, then go to another club and want to return to the club you played your 25 games at, you would be 0 points. There are that many rules with it, that it gets quite confusing. If you play div 1-3 amateurs you are 3 points, div 4 and below 2 points. Depends on if you played the majority of A or B grade will also determine points. I believe if you haven't played anywhere for 2 or more seasons you are 0 points. May be wrong. I believe there is a doument on the community football league site that has the rules
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby qwerty » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:11 am

Aussie Made wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:
Squids wrote:How do you determine how many points a player is?

Games played?

as I understand it, it is all about where you played. If you played colts and A's at Sollies and went to Jamestown you would be three points off the Jamestown-Peterborough allocation. Two points in the second year and one in the third year. If you come back to Sollies at any time you are point free.
IMO it is stupid and slows down the standard development of the game.



Correct i don't think the league is going to move forward and get stronger as a whole. If there is only a Points difference of 5 between the top and bottom teams you will still find that Money will dictate which clubs the available quality players choose to play for.

My view is as follow and Ill use Ports and lions as my example. I cant see the Lions benefiting from 4 more points than Ports where 1 and a half players doesn't mean a lot if the quality Players go to Ports via the larger pay packet and Lions are left to pick from the scraps. One exceptional player on big dollars at 3 points will still be better or of more benefit to a side than 3 average players at 9 points total. You see it in the AFL money will find a way to make things work no matter what rules are put in place to make a competition even. All clubs rich or poor deep down in side know this and the rule changes need to be made to even up the bank balances of the leagues teams. Put a monetary penalty in with the points system which will act as a tax on the high rollers and the tax can be distributed to the poorer clubs to benefit the club and the competition at the same time

example

Ports have 14 Points and recruit players that takes them up to 20 points. Instead of making quality players sit in the reserves and not improving the comp. Place a weekly penalty say $1000 for each player over the points cap allow the players to play and distribute the Tax to the Poorer teams to allow for improvements in their playing list or at their clubs. This will even up the weekly available pool of money for each club and act as a deterrent for the rich clubs as they ultimately end up financing the oppositions recruits or club improvements. Rich clubs can use their available players but long term if the poorer teams are smart they will use the Tax benefits to better their club long term and when they are financially more stable turn the tides and work on getting the on field success.

My point is money will still make a big difference and the Points difference 5 between top and bottom wont. Force the rich to help the poor



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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby cominghome » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:17 pm

Bush Telegraph wrote:We will lose some players for sure but other clubs too. I agree with it being intresting now because of these points they got now.I know some will leave but might not get a A grade game at the new club because the points will be used on the guns

I dont think Rooster or Nicko will leave


Hey BT or anyone else can you confirm if Westies have got that lad from Roxby that played a game last year against Centrals I think??
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Sky Pilot » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:35 pm

are the two Westies players linked to Orroroo Ryan Dadleh and Daniel Collins?
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Bush Telegraph » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:11 pm

cominghome wrote:
Bush Telegraph wrote:We will lose some players for sure but other clubs too. I agree with it being intresting now because of these points they got now.I know some will leave but might not get a A grade game at the new club because the points will be used on the guns

I dont think Rooster or Nicko will leave


Hey BT or anyone else can you confirm if Westies have got that lad from Roxby that played a game last year against Centrals I think??


Monfries brothers hey. Heard Blimmy had them stitched up but dunno if Ray has got it followed up
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Bush Telegraph » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:14 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:are the two Westies players linked to Orroroo Ryan Dadleh and Daniel Collins?

You mean Nick Collins and Reece Dadleh. Just bumping price up I think and BMW was who I hears for Nick
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Sky Pilot » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:37 pm

Bush Telegraph wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:are the two Westies players linked to Orroroo Ryan Dadleh and Daniel Collins?

You mean Nick Collins and Reece Dadleh. Just bumping price up I think and BMW was who I hears for Nick

Thanks BT. Did you hear that Nick Callary has left Central Augusta for Central Whyalla?
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby backpocketplumber » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:06 am

All the rumors stories and hot goss has been about port augusta .. been all hush hush about port pirie whats happening over there. ??? havent heard a thing besides stories about price surely there more then that he dosent even live in the town right??
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby BurraBoys » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:38 pm

Price confirmed and signed at Torrens Valley.
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby solo » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:00 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:are the two Westies players linked to Orroroo Ryan Dadleh and Daniel Collins?


been sniffing around a bit i hear
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Killa » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:40 pm

solo wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:are the two Westies players linked to Orroroo Ryan Dadleh and Daniel Collins?


been sniffing around a bit i hear


Player from the doggies no suprise looking for a new club as team mates and opponents say he does not know when to shut up and is annoying and loose after a couple.
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby kinghit » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:43 pm

Killa wrote:
solo wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:are the two Westies players linked to Orroroo Ryan Dadleh and Daniel Collins?


been sniffing around a bit i hear


Player from the doggies no suprise looking for a new club as team mates and opponents say he does not know when to shut up and is annoying and loose after a couple.


Pretty sure the collins in reference was a west player killa you dud, and once again keep your opinions to yourself; i could name about 100 SGL players who are annoying and don't know when to shut up and are loose after a couple
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Student » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:56 am

Aussie Made wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:
IMO it is stupid and slows down the standard development of the game[/b].


My view is as follow and Ill use Ports and lions as my example. I cant see the Lions benefiting from 4 more points than Ports where 1 and a half players doesn't mean a lot if the quality Players go to Ports via the larger pay packet and Lions are left to pick from the scraps. One exceptional player on big dollars at 3 points will still be better or of more benefit to a side than 3 average players at 9 points total. You see it in the AFL money will find a way to make things work no matter what rules are put in place to make a competition even. All clubs rich or poor deep down in side know this and the rule changes need to be made to even up the bank balances of the leagues teams. Put a monetary penalty in with the points system which will act as a tax on the high rollers and the tax can be distributed to the poorer clubs to benefit the club and the competition at the same time

example

Ports have 14 Points and recruit players that takes them up to 20 points. Instead of making quality players sit in the reserves and not improving the comp. Place a weekly penalty say $1000 for each player over the points cap allow the players to play and distribute the Tax to the Poorer teams to allow for improvements in their playing list or at their clubs. This will even up the weekly available pool of money for each club and act as a deterrent for the rich clubs as they ultimately end up financing the oppositions recruits or club improvements. Rich clubs can use their available players but long term if the poorer teams are smart they will use the Tax benefits to better their club long term and when they are financially more stable turn the tides and work on getting the on field success.

My point is money will still make a big difference and the Points difference 5 between top and bottom wont. Force the rich to help the poor


Understand your points AM & SP but imho the points system will work over time.
No clubs will pay for quality players to sit in the reserves- they might want them but wont pay them to play b's leaving them available to be picked up by other clubs.
Clubs also wouldnt pay even $100 per week, let alone $1000 per week to play them above the points. What contract player that takes a club over 10-15 points (which would be their 4th best if all their recruits are their best players) is worth a $1000 a game above his match payments? :shock: Thats $20,000 a year or $40,000 if you play 2, no club has that sort of $!
It stops a wealthy club pillaging clubs all around their area as they simply cannot play them and gives a club a chance to hold on to their juniors they develop as opposition clubs will only target the ones that are very good. Not sure what happens if an industry set up means a sudden influx of players to a region, points mean they cant all play.
The points system is not faultless but worth persisting to see how it goes over time, it will have the effect that the CFL wants, help even out teams and even out leagues. Good discussion point though!
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Poultry in Motion » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:53 am

Student wrote:
Aussie Made wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:
IMO it is stupid and slows down the standard development of the game[/b].


My view is as follow and Ill use Ports and lions as my example. I cant see the Lions benefiting from 4 more points than Ports where 1 and a half players doesn't mean a lot if the quality Players go to Ports via the larger pay packet and Lions are left to pick from the scraps. One exceptional player on big dollars at 3 points will still be better or of more benefit to a side than 3 average players at 9 points total. You see it in the AFL money will find a way to make things work no matter what rules are put in place to make a competition even. All clubs rich or poor deep down in side know this and the rule changes need to be made to even up the bank balances of the leagues teams. Put a monetary penalty in with the points system which will act as a tax on the high rollers and the tax can be distributed to the poorer clubs to benefit the club and the competition at the same time

example

Ports have 14 Points and recruit players that takes them up to 20 points. Instead of making quality players sit in the reserves and not improving the comp. Place a weekly penalty say $1000 for each player over the points cap allow the players to play and distribute the Tax to the Poorer teams to allow for improvements in their playing list or at their clubs. This will even up the weekly available pool of money for each club and act as a deterrent for the rich clubs as they ultimately end up financing the oppositions recruits or club improvements. Rich clubs can use their available players but long term if the poorer teams are smart they will use the Tax benefits to better their club long term and when they are financially more stable turn the tides and work on getting the on field success.

My point is money will still make a big difference and the Points difference 5 between top and bottom wont. Force the rich to help the poor


Understand your points AM & SP but imho the points system will work over time.
No clubs will pay for quality players to sit in the reserves- they might want them but wont pay them to play b's leaving them available to be picked up by other clubs.
Clubs also wouldnt pay even $100 per week, let alone $1000 per week to play them above the points. What contract player that takes a club over 10-15 points (which would be their 4th best if all their recruits are their best players) is worth a $1000 a game above his match payments? :shock: Thats $20,000 a year or $40,000 if you play 2, no club has that sort of $!
It stops a wealthy club pillaging clubs all around their area as they simply cannot play them and gives a club a chance to hold on to their juniors they develop as opposition clubs will only target the ones that are very good. Not sure what happens if an industry set up means a sudden influx of players to a region, points mean they cant all play.
The points system is not faultless but worth persisting to see how it goes over time, it will have the effect that the CFL wants, help even out teams and even out leagues. Good discussion point though!


Some good points here. I think the system has merit but needs some tweaking for the larger regional towns because of their transient nature. The inconsistencies between competitions is interesting also.10 points for a team that has played in four successive SGL GFs is 3 or 4 points more generous than the Barossa would allocate.Look at the Lions, they can recruit one (and a bit) more players with their 15 points. I wonder whether the Port Lincoln model ( 6 teams - 21 pts,18,15,12,9,6 ) would be a better way. This would mean the Lions could pick up 5 players and the Bloods 2.(Not allowing for Colts and carry over points of course).As it is now fringe A graders wanting to have a crack elsewhere or a small group of new- to - town lads wanting a kick together have nowhere to go because the points are too precious to pick them up when there are always half a dozen quality A graders coming into town or switching clubs. The Northern Areas clubs, where this isnt such an issue, must be licking their lips at the moment.
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Squids » Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:28 pm

kinghit wrote:
Killa wrote:
solo wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:are the two Westies players linked to Orroroo Ryan Dadleh and Daniel Collins?


been sniffing around a bit i hear


Player from the doggies no suprise looking for a new club as team mates and opponents say he does not know when to shut up and is annoying and loose after a couple.


Pretty sure the collins in reference was a west player killa you dud, and once again keep your opinions to yourself; i could name about 100 SGL players who are annoying and don't know when to shut up and are loose after a couple


Do you not mean Collison?
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Re: Spencer Gulf League

Postby Sky Pilot » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:05 pm

Since it became news yesterday that Butch Smith had been given the Jamestown coaching gig I haven't read anything on here that supports him in this new venture. I think in the 20-odd years he has been coaching at senior level the only premiership he won was Sollie B grade in about 1997. Jamestown footy people seem happy with their decision so good luck to Butch and the NAFA Magpies
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