Round 14 - Indigenous Round

[smithy]

Mark Williams is not indigenous.

Sorry mate.
I didn't think the long standing subject of his skin colour warranted a smiley on my post as most people know by now he isn't indigenous.

[cd]

2 of my favourites from a few years ago not in the named team were David Lee and Joey Clarke.

I applaud Sonny Morey for reminding people that when he played for Centrals and was loved by the Centrals fans he wasn't counted in the census as an Australian Citizen. Everyone loved Soapy Kantilla for South and he too wasn't counted as a citizen of his own country. Thankfully we have come a long way since then but maybe given that racism is still an issue we still have some way to go.

Indigenous round gets thumbs up from me as we recognize these past players as true Aussie champions of our Australian game.

[smithy]

It was only recently that Mark Naley found out about his Aboriginal heritage, for those that were unaware of the below story.

Which doesn't qualify him so I'm not sure why he has been mentioned.

If you are going to name players who have " indigenous heritage" then maybe we should name Wedgie as a candidate for trainer.

[redandblack]

Good to see Bertie Johnson in the side.

I had the privilege of having a brief chat to Bertie at the recent West 1961 premiership reunion.

He was a terrific player and a great character.

[Pseudo]

Syd Jackson = token Glenelg inclusion. Might have played for Glenelg but earned his accolades elsewhere.

Glenelg not well known for aboriginal talent. Would have liked to have seen Mark Motlop get a gig though.

Would've thought Tom Thorn of Westies might've gotten a gig. Was the first aboriginal player I can remember. Had the pleasure of listening to Rick Charlesworth talk about his umpiring days once; he told a good story about the time he reported Tom Thorn...

[robranisgod]

Syd Jackson = token Glenelg inclusion. Might have played for Glenelg but earned his accolades elsewhere.

Glenelg not well known for aboriginal talent. Would have liked to have seen Mark Motlop get a gig though.

Would've thought Tom Thorn of Westies might've gotten a gig. Was the first aboriginal player I can remember. Had the pleasure of listening to Rick Charlesworth talk about his umpiring days once; he told a good story about the time he reported Tom Thorn...

Tom Thorn would have been miles off of getting a gig. He was only a fringe player for West. Mark Motlop, too would have been well off of the pace.

As stated before, Greg McAdam is the stand out omission. I would suggest he is the only b & f winner not in the team, and certainly also the only State of Origin player to miss out. In fact Greg represented the state a few times, both in State of Origin and ordinary state games whereas his brother Gilbert never was chosen to play for SA.

[on the rails]

From the SANFL
F Roger Rigney Sturt Daniel Motlop North Adelaide Bertie JohnsonWest Adelaide
HF: Michael Grahram Sturt Eddie Fry South Adelaide / Sturt Richie Bray Port Adelaide
C: Michael Long West Torrens Andrew McLeod Port Adelaide Gilbert McAdam Central
HB: Gavin Wanganeen Port Adelaide Wilbur Wilson Central Byron Pickett Port Adelaide
B: Graham JohncockPort Adelaide Corey AhCPort Adelaide Sonny Morey Central
1R: David Kantilla South Adelaide Shaun Burgoyne Port Adelaide Mark Naley South Adelaide

Interchange:
Aaron Davey (Port Adelaide), Peter Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Derek Kickett (Central), Syd Jackson (Glenelg)
Reserves:
Fabian Francis (Port Adelaide), Mathew Stokes (Woodville-West Torrens), Greg McAdam (North Adelaide)

Qualification:
Must have played one SANFL league match

Selection Panel:
Peter Argent, Andrew McLeod, James Moore, Michelangelo Rucci and Tim Stewartey

Surprised Shannon Motlop couldn't make the side or the extended "squad" as named? After all he was a pretty decent performer at the SANFL level plus an AFL premiership winner in a very strong North Melbourne team at the time? Surely ahead of Aaron Davey at least and probably Daniel if the truth be known?

[robranisgod]

From the SANFL
F Roger Rigney Sturt Daniel Motlop North Adelaide Bertie JohnsonWest Adelaide
HF: Michael Grahram Sturt Eddie Fry South Adelaide / Sturt Richie Bray Port Adelaide
C: Michael Long West Torrens Andrew McLeod Port Adelaide Gilbert McAdam Central
HB: Gavin Wanganeen Port Adelaide Wilbur Wilson Central Byron Pickett Port Adelaide
B: Graham JohncockPort Adelaide Corey AhCPort Adelaide Sonny Morey Central
1R: David Kantilla South Adelaide Shaun Burgoyne Port Adelaide Mark Naley South Adelaide

Interchange:
Aaron Davey (Port Adelaide), Peter Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Derek Kickett (Central), Syd Jackson (Glenelg)
Reserves:
Fabian Francis (Port Adelaide), Mathew Stokes (Woodville-West Torrens), Greg McAdam (North Adelaide)

Qualification:
Must have played one SANFL league match

Selection Panel:
Peter Argent, Andrew McLeod, James Moore, Michelangelo Rucci and Tim Stewartey

Surprised Shannon Motlop couldn't make the side or the extended "squad" as named? After all he was a pretty decent performer at the SANFL level plus an AFL premiership winner in a very strong North Melbourne team at the time? Surely ahead of Aaron Davey at least and probably Daniel if the truth be known?

Shannon was undoubtedly a better player than Richie Bray as well, but still well behind Greg McAdam IMHO

[The Sleeping Giant]

[doggies4eva]

Mark Williams is not indigenous.

Sorry mate.
I didn't think the long standing subject of his skin colour warranted a smiley on my post as most people know by now he isn't indigenous.

Of course he's indigenous - anyone called Chocko is indigenous. Next you'll be saying Kamahl isn't indigenous

[Wedgie]

It was only recently that Mark Naley found out about his Aboriginal heritage, for those that were unaware of the below story.

Which doesn't qualify him so I'm not sure why he has been mentioned.

If you are going to name players who have " indigenous heritage" then maybe we should name Wedgie as a candidate for trainer.

Naley and I are qualified, indigenous = indigenous descent.
It has nothing to do with skin colour or percentages of certain bloodlines.

[GWW]

Mark Williams is not indigenous.

Sorry mate.
I didn't think the long standing subject of his skin colour warranted a smiley on my post as most people know by now he isn't indigenous.

Of course he's indigenous - anyone called Chocko is indigenous. Next you'll be saying Kamahl isn't indigenous

Mark Williams' nickname actually had nothing to do with his skin colour.

Re Pickett being in the side, I think he was only in there through default - ie being dropped from the AFL back to the SANFL. I'm a Port supporter but I think he was over rated. Blokes like Greg McAdam and Derek Kickett more deserving of being in the 18 than Pickett.

[on the rails]

Shannon was undoubtedly a better player than Richie Bray as well, but still well behind Greg McAdam IMHO

No argument there but should have been included as I previously stated ahead of a couple of others including Daniel.

[Go Legs]

Mark Williams is not indigenous.

Sorry mate.
I didn't think the long standing subject of his skin colour warranted a smiley on my post as most people know by now he isn't indigenous.

Of course he's indigenous - anyone called Chocko is indigenous. Next you'll be saying Kamahl isn't indigenous

Kamahl was born in Sri Lanka and emigrated to Australia

Cheers,

[GWW]

I think the term "indigenous" is being used by doggies4eva as a general term (I think it relates to original inhabitants of the land or something like that), given that Australian Aborigines aren't the only group of people to come under the label of "indigenous".

[GWW]

It was only recently that Mark Naley found out about his Aboriginal heritage, for those that were unaware of the below story.

Which doesn't qualify him so I'm not sure why he has been mentioned.

If you are going to name players who have " indigenous heritage" then maybe we should name Wedgie as a candidate for trainer.

Naley and I are qualified, indigenous = indigenous descent.
It has nothing to do with skin colour or percentages of certain bloodlines.

Legally, someone is an Australian Aboriginal person, and therefore I guess, indigenous Australian, if that person is "a person of Aboriginal descent, albeit mixed, who identifies himself as such and who is recognised by the Aboriginal community as an Aboriginal".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aborigines

I would imagine though that many indigenous/aboriginal Australians don't give much credence to the legal definition though however (which is probably fair enough).

[Mark Dreher]

Syd Jackson = token Glenelg inclusion. Might have played for Glenelg but earned his accolades elsewhere.

Glenelg not well known for aboriginal talent. Would have liked to have seen Mark Motlop get a gig though.

Would've thought Tom Thorn of Westies might've gotten a gig. Was the first aboriginal player I can remember. Had the pleasure of listening to Rick Charlesworth talk about his umpiring days once; he told a good story about the time he reported Tom Thorn...

Tom Thorn would have been miles off of getting a gig. He was only a fringe player for West. Mark Motlop, too would have been well off of the pace.

As stated before, Greg McAdam is the stand out omission. I would suggest he is the only b & f winner not in the team, and certainly also the only State of Origin player to miss out. In fact Greg represented the state a few times, both in State of Origin and ordinary state games whereas his brother Gilbert never was chosen to play for SA.

I still have good memories of Tom Thorn taking a few screamers, A mate of mine living in Port Lincoln played against him in darwin and still has sprigg marks on his shoulders from where he Thorn took some hangers over him.

[Aerie]

I was too young to remember his playing ability, but remember Kevin Hill playing for Torrens in the 80's. Not sure how many games he played, but from memory he was #26.

[Aerie]

I have a question. Why do we have indigenous round?

To recognise the part indigenous people play in our game? Whilst you'd hope that everyone's treated equally and the colour of someone's skin shouldn't make a difference in this day and age, I think it is good and a positive week for footy and in general to have a round dedicated to the indigenous. I'm sure there is a long way to go, but footy has become a great medium to showcase the talents of indigenous players and highlight the need for equality in our society.

I thought Gilbert McAdam's words in this interview were fantastic and shed a bit of light on how far we've come:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/r ... 6083688726

[smac]

Wilbur at CHF and Motlop at FF are two strange ones.

Wilbur is CHB.

The key positions really are a lottery, I don't really agree with any, although Achee is probably fair enough.

The 1 game qualification is strange.

Yep, that's what I meant to type!