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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby sjt » Wed May 18, 2011 11:34 am

Ron Burgundy wrote:What a great idea.

Football has tiers, AFL is the top tier, and state leagues are second etc, and if a team needs to stock up mid season, why wouldnt you want to get the best players from the next best comp. Im sure they would come up with some generous compensation for this.


Not sure if it was tongue in cheek when you said "generous compensation". As is and has been discussed in other threads, the AFL strategy is to diminish the status and competiveness of the SANFL. Hence the reduction already taking place of the salary cap and distribution to clubs when a player gets drafted. Now the push to take the AFL licenses of the SANFL. Not so sure about the idea, but would be pretty sure the compensation and concern (by the AFL) of the impact on the SANFL would be minimal
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby Ron Burgundy » Wed May 18, 2011 11:37 am

No, more of an uneducated comment than tongue in cheek.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby nickname » Wed May 18, 2011 11:49 am

Barto wrote:
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Barto wrote:I'd prefer that to the rookie list.


Why's that Barto?


If the rookie list was gone and the call up system introduced, at least you'd have a situation where the player can stay with his home club. As it is, there's a possibility that a young bloke can be uprooted from home and only ever play in another state league.

Take Benet Copping for example, never got any kind of shot at playing for Freo and just spent 3 seasons at East Perth. I think the only advantage is that they get to do some kind of preseason with an AFL club, but the SANFL and WAFL players do put in a fair bit of work as is.


What would change though? If they abolished the rookie list, they'd just add those previously rookied players to their main list. They'd still play at the next level down when not in the AFL team.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby White Line Fever » Wed May 18, 2011 11:52 am

The SANFL is a great comp, but are you guys serious that this would annoy you!!

Stopping players from playing at the highest level!!

What about when the League team calls up the best player from the reserves...

The AFL is number 1 guys you have got to accept that

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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby CENTURION » Wed May 18, 2011 12:12 pm

White Line Fever wrote:The SANFL is a great comp, but are you guys serious that this would annoy you!!

Stopping players from playing at the highest level!!

What about when the League team calls up the best player from the reserves...

The AFL is number 1 guys you have got to accept that

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but the reserves expect to get called up to the league team, that's why they play for that SANFL club.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby teaoby » Wed May 18, 2011 12:22 pm

it would only work as i said IF free agency was in place. this would allow players to be put on for example. a 6week contract with said club, now you cant tell me a player in the SANFL wouldnt jump at the chance to play AFL for that period with the opportunity to showcase his skill to clubs. whilst more often then not being paid a heap more then hes getting at SANFL level.

it would take a MASSIVE step from both the AFL and the state comp's. one i think that is on the cards and personally i think it could work.

just as an aside. im not saying its the best option just playing the devils advocate somewhat.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby White Line Fever » Wed May 18, 2011 12:39 pm

CENTURION wrote:
White Line Fever wrote:The SANFL is a great comp, but are you guys serious that this would annoy you!!

Stopping players from playing at the highest level!!

What about when the League team calls up the best player from the reserves...

The AFL is number 1 guys you have got to accept that

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but the reserves expect to get called up to the league team, that's why they play for that SANFL club.


How many players do you know wouldn't want to play AFL if asked?
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby The Jack » Wed May 18, 2011 12:50 pm

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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby JK » Wed May 18, 2011 12:52 pm

teaoby wrote:it would only work as i said IF free agency was in place. this would allow players to be put on for example. a 6week contract with said club, now you cant tell me a player in the SANFL wouldnt jump at the chance to play AFL for that period with the opportunity to showcase his skill to clubs. whilst more often then not being paid a heap more then hes getting at SANFL level.

it would take a MASSIVE step from both the AFL and the state comp's. one i think that is on the cards and personally i think it could work.

just as an aside. im not saying its the best option just playing the devils advocate somewhat.


They would need to be paid a heap more, because they could be weighing up a 6 week a contract that could also mean giving up a decent day job.

The threats to our league won't ever stop coming, we just need to continue to find ways to best protect our clubs and the standard of football we want to maintain at local level .. Sometimes that will mean we have to roll with the punches I guess, as we have done for the last 30 years.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby White Line Fever » Wed May 18, 2011 12:58 pm

6 weeks...

would they have to quit there job?

Then if didn't make might have thrown away there living?
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby teaoby » Wed May 18, 2011 1:08 pm

Constance_Perm wrote:
teaoby wrote:it would only work as i said IF free agency was in place. this would allow players to be put on for example. a 6week contract with said club, now you cant tell me a player in the SANFL wouldnt jump at the chance to play AFL for that period with the opportunity to showcase his skill to clubs. whilst more often then not being paid a heap more then hes getting at SANFL level.

it would take a MASSIVE step from both the AFL and the state comp's. one i think that is on the cards and personally i think it could work.

just as an aside. im not saying its the best option just playing the devils advocate somewhat.


They would need to be paid a heap more, because they could be weighing up a 6 week a contract that could also mean giving up a decent day job.

The threats to our league won't ever stop coming, we just need to continue to find ways to best protect our clubs and the standard of football we want to maintain at local level .. Sometimes that will mean we have to roll with the punches I guess, as we have done for the last 30 years.




1/ hence why i said some would get paid more. i realise that sanfl players for the most part are part-time footballers. unlike our american counterparts where their minor leagues are full time jobs mostly.

2/ threat??, maybe... how about looking at it as an opportunity for some bloke who works his guts out to get the chance at the highest level!?

whether you like it or not, the state comps are now (and have been for a while) feeder systems for the AFL. YES every sanfl/vfl/wafl team goes out to get the best guys they can to try and win the flag every year BUT if you asked the player base at this level if they would jump at the chance to play AFL for maybe only a month im guessing you'd get a 95% yes!
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby teaoby » Wed May 18, 2011 1:12 pm

White Line Fever wrote:6 weeks...

would they have to quit there job?

Then if didn't make might have thrown away there living?



in its current state the system im talking about probably wouldnt work, because of reasons like this. but all i am saying is that this is where it is potentially headed.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby JK » Wed May 18, 2011 1:29 pm

teaoby wrote:
Constance_Perm wrote:
teaoby wrote:it would only work as i said IF free agency was in place. this would allow players to be put on for example. a 6week contract with said club, now you cant tell me a player in the SANFL wouldnt jump at the chance to play AFL for that period with the opportunity to showcase his skill to clubs. whilst more often then not being paid a heap more then hes getting at SANFL level.

it would take a MASSIVE step from both the AFL and the state comp's. one i think that is on the cards and personally i think it could work.

just as an aside. im not saying its the best option just playing the devils advocate somewhat.


They would need to be paid a heap more, because they could be weighing up a 6 week a contract that could also mean giving up a decent day job.

The threats to our league won't ever stop coming, we just need to continue to find ways to best protect our clubs and the standard of football we want to maintain at local level .. Sometimes that will mean we have to roll with the punches I guess, as we have done for the last 30 years.


2/ threat??, maybe... how about looking at it as an opportunity for some bloke who works his guts out to get the chance at the highest level!?

whether you like it or not, the state comps are now (and have been for a while) feeder systems for the AFL. YES every sanfl/vfl/wafl team goes out to get the best guys they can to try and win the flag every year BUT if you asked the player base at this level if they would jump at the chance to play AFL for maybe only a month im guessing you'd get a 95% yes!


Of course they are feeder systems, you don't need to be Einstein to figure that out .. My comment wasn't from the players perspective.

Should situations be establish-able that are to the mutual benefit of player and club/competition alike then that's great and what we should be aiming to achieve, but just as the club is always greater than the individual, the competition must remain greater than all of it if we want to preserve its integrity and longevity.

Im always happy for any of the lads in the state that have busted their nuts to get their due reward at the highest level, but if you think that should be the number 1 priority of our clubs and competition then we won't agree.

As I said, the SANFL has been seriously challenged by a number of issues in the last 30 years, when the player drain really began in earnest, and whilst losing player after player the competition and clubs have done a great of continuing their battle to put out the highest standard of football they can .. They have done well in less than ideal situations and will need to continue to do so is the point Im trying to make.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby JK » Wed May 18, 2011 1:35 pm

teaoby wrote:i realise that sanfl players for the most part are part-time footballers. unlike our american counterparts where their minor leagues are full time jobs mostly.


I wonder if in time, some deal could be worked with the AFL to subsidize player payments to get local leagues full-time players? Even if that were a possibility, would it be in the best interests of the SANFL? (WAFL, VFL etc)
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby D14 » Wed May 18, 2011 2:04 pm

I would only like the idea if the player picked up was guaranteed a spot on the main list for next season, so can't be delisted at seasons end and that, baring injury, they have to play every AFL game, or majority, for the remainder of the season once picked up.

I know this is not likely to happen but it would help stop players getting taken from their club only to not play a single AFL game.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby Hazydog » Wed May 18, 2011 2:26 pm

I'd prefer the AFL to allow a mid year trade period between the AFL clubs which could be used to bolster any weaknesses. To my knowledge no AFL team has ever been without 22 fit players to name a team, however they might have a weakness in ruck or Tall defenders for example, due to injuries.

I might have heard this somewhere else but imagine if the Crows & Power could swap Maric & C Cornes at some point during the year. It would be mutually beneficial to both parties (if they rated the players etc...)

This would prevent gun players from being taken from the state leagues and weakening the integrity of 2nd tier comps.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby sjt » Wed May 18, 2011 2:33 pm

Hazydog wrote:I'd prefer the AFL to allow a mid year trade period between the AFL clubs which could be used to bolster any weaknesses. To my knowledge no AFL team has ever been without 22 fit players to name a team, however they might have a weakness in ruck or Tall defenders for example, due to injuries.

I might have heard this somewhere else but imagine if the Crows & Power could swap Maric & C Cornes at some point during the year. It would be mutually beneficial to both parties (if they rated the players etc...)

This would prevent gun players from being taken from the state leagues and weakening the integrity of 2nd tier comps.


Better idea.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby Pag » Wed May 18, 2011 2:40 pm

sjt wrote:
Hazydog wrote:I'd prefer the AFL to allow a mid year trade period between the AFL clubs which could be used to bolster any weaknesses. To my knowledge no AFL team has ever been without 22 fit players to name a team, however they might have a weakness in ruck or Tall defenders for example, due to injuries.

I might have heard this somewhere else but imagine if the Crows & Power could swap Maric & C Cornes at some point during the year. It would be mutually beneficial to both parties (if they rated the players etc...)

This would prevent gun players from being taken from the state leagues and weakening the integrity of 2nd tier comps.


Better idea.
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Re: craig hutchisons comments on ch 9

Postby nickname » Wed May 18, 2011 2:48 pm

Bollocks, they have four drafts every year (National, Pre-season, Rookie and Train-On) to grab players from wherever they like; surely that's enough. The line has to be drawn somewhere for the leagues below to have some stability.
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