HFL Division 1 (Central)

[Bat Pad]

Just a question.

In the Hahndorf v Blackwood A2 game on Saturday, a player kicked for goal, and the (opposition to the kicker) goal umpire called it a goal.

The field umpire then went in and corrected the goal umpire, and made him give it a point.

Now I have kicked a goal before ( this was almost 10 years ago), it was called a point. I protested to the ump who told me that even though he agreed it was clearly a goal, he had no power to overturn the decision.

I have also seen a point kicked by the opposition (this was in 2007), which was given a goal (incidently against the same opposition, same goal umpire, who also I would assume was the same goal umpire in the OV v TV game on the weekend). Once again, I protested to the umpire who advised me that he had no power over the decision.

So has the rule changed since 2007?

By all accounts the kick on the weekend was a point, and as it was the opposition goal umpire clearly no cheating involved, but I am curious as whether the umpire should have done what he did by the laws of the game.

[lebron]

Cheers JQ. Agreed, it appears to be a very even comp this year. Have Bridgey got promising youngsters playing or are they going to struggle for a few years to come?

[Bertie Beetle]

Just a question.

In the Hahndorf v Blackwood A2 game on Saturday, a player kicked for goal, and the (opposition to the kicker) goal umpire called it a goal.

The field umpire then went in and corrected the goal umpire, and made him give it a point.

Now I have kicked a goal before ( this was almost 10 years ago), it was called a point. I protested to the ump who told me that even though he agreed it was clearly a goal, he had no power to overturn the decision.

I have also seen a point kicked by the opposition (this was in 2007), which was given a goal (incidently against the same opposition, same goal umpire, who also I would assume was the same goal umpire in the OV v TV game on the weekend). Once again, I protested to the umpire who advised me that he had no power over the decision.

So has the rule changed since 2007?

By all accounts the kick on the weekend was a point, and as it was the opposition goal umpire clearly no cheating involved, but I am curious as whether the umpire should have done what he did by the laws of the game.

Bp, if you look at what happens in the AFL; if the field-umpire thinks the goal-umpire has made a clear mistake he has the ability to over-rule the goal-umpire. As I was also at the game, and saw this, the goal-umpire had made a clear mistake and the field-umpire overuled so that the correct decsision was made. I also had a look in the AFL rules book.

Rule 12.1.5 states that -

(a) - The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires. The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final. The goal Umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals “All Clear” or “Touched All Clear”, as the case may be.

(b) - Law 12.1.5 (a) does not apply if a Controlling Body prescribes that a field Umpire may overrule the decision of a goal Umpire who has not been appointed by the Controlling Body.

So if the HFL have the same rules on this issue, the goal-umpire decision is final, but the field-umpire has the power to overrule.

[Bertie Beetle]

Chatting with an umpire today who said the Banker - lofty game was one of the best he had umpired. Said the game was as tough as nails on both sides. What a ripper season central appears to be heading for in both A and B grades. Ump asked who the big guy at the back of the SCIB huddle at the breaks was. Surely not.

Surely not.........?

who was the ruckman that played afew years back? was it Mark Bradley

[Bat Pad]

Cheers Bertie but the HFL does not adopt all the AFL rules (such as the rushed behind). Anyone know what the HFL ruling is? As based on my experience field umpires have had no say in the past, but they may have been the incorrect ones.

[Mop Up]

Chatting with an umpire today who said the Banker - lofty game was one of the best he had umpired. Said the game was as tough as nails on both sides. What a ripper season central appears to be heading for in both A and B grades. Ump asked who the big guy at the back of the SCIB huddle at the breaks was. Surely not.

Surely not.........?

who was the ruckman that played afew years back? was it Mark Bradley

Nope, wasn't Barny either. Not sure who it was but big unit... just a supporter from what i could tell

[Zipper]

Chatting with an umpire today who said the Banker - lofty game was one of the best he had umpired. Said the game was as tough as nails on both sides. What a ripper season central appears to be heading for in both A and B grades. Ump asked who the big guy at the back of the SCIB huddle at the breaks was. Surely not.

Surely not.........?

who was the ruckman that played afew years back? was it Mark Bradley

Nope, wasn't Barny either. Not sure who it was but big unit... just a supporter from what i could tell

Anyone know where The Chief is currently playing?

[Banker]

Took a bit of hunting around, but seems he's now at Warragul in the Victorian Gippsland league.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/round_info ... 4-0&pool=1

4th club in 13months!

[MONTE CRISTO]

I'm not sure but I reckon that thing about the field/goal umpire changed in recent years. I'm not sure what happens in the HFL but didn't the AFL change it so that if the field umpire was certain the goal umpire was making a mistake he could over ride him but if he wasn't sure the goal umpires decision stood. I have some vague recollection of that.

There must be some umpires who read this. Can't they give us the ruling?

[McGovern]

Just a question.

In the Hahndorf v Blackwood A2 game on Saturday, a player kicked for goal, and the (opposition to the kicker) goal umpire called it a goal.

The field umpire then went in and corrected the goal umpire, and made him give it a point.

Now I have kicked a goal before ( this was almost 10 years ago), it was called a point. I protested to the ump who told me that even though he agreed it was clearly a goal, he had no power to overturn the decision.

I have also seen a point kicked by the opposition (this was in 2007), which was given a goal (incidently against the same opposition, same goal umpire, who also I would assume was the same goal umpire in the OV v TV game on the weekend). Once again, I protested to the umpire who advised me that he had no power over the decision.

So has the rule changed since 2007?

By all accounts the kick on the weekend was a point, and as it was the opposition goal umpire clearly no cheating involved, but I am curious as whether the umpire should have done what he did by the laws of the game.

Bp, if you look at what happens in the AFL; if the field-umpire thinks the goal-umpire has made a clear mistake he has the ability to over-rule the goal-umpire. As I was also at the game, and saw this, the goal-umpire had made a clear mistake and the field-umpire overuled so that the correct decsision was made. I also had a look in the AFL rules book.

Rule 12.1.5 states that -

(a) - The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires. The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final. The goal Umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals “All Clear” or “Touched All Clear”, as the case may be.

(b) - Law 12.1.5 (a) does not apply if a Controlling Body prescribes that a field Umpire may overrule the decision of a goal Umpire who has not been appointed by the Controlling Body.

So if the HFL have the same rules on this issue, the goal-umpire decision is final, but the field-umpire has the power to overrule.

This doesn't make any sense?!

[Bertie Beetle]

Just a question.

In the Hahndorf v Blackwood A2 game on Saturday, a player kicked for goal, and the (opposition to the kicker) goal umpire called it a goal.

The field umpire then went in and corrected the goal umpire, and made him give it a point.

Now I have kicked a goal before ( this was almost 10 years ago), it was called a point. I protested to the ump who told me that even though he agreed it was clearly a goal, he had no power to overturn the decision.

I have also seen a point kicked by the opposition (this was in 2007), which was given a goal (incidently against the same opposition, same goal umpire, who also I would assume was the same goal umpire in the OV v TV game on the weekend). Once again, I protested to the umpire who advised me that he had no power over the decision.

So has the rule changed since 2007?

By all accounts the kick on the weekend was a point, and as it was the opposition goal umpire clearly no cheating involved, but I am curious as whether the umpire should have done what he did by the laws of the game.

Bp, if you look at what happens in the AFL; if the field-umpire thinks the goal-umpire has made a clear mistake he has the ability to over-rule the goal-umpire. As I was also at the game, and saw this, the goal-umpire had made a clear mistake and the field-umpire overuled so that the correct decsision was made. I also had a look in the AFL rules book.

Rule 12.1.5 states that -

(a) - The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires. The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final. The goal Umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals “All Clear” or “Touched All Clear”, as the case may be.

(b) - Law 12.1.5 (a) does not apply if a Controlling Body prescribes that a field Umpire may overrule the decision of a goal Umpire who has not been appointed by the Controlling Body.

So if the HFL have the same rules on this issue, the goal-umpire decision is final, but the field-umpire has the power to overrule.

This doesn't make any sense?!

I’m trying to say that if the field umpire is 100% sure that the goal umpire has made a mistake, then they have the power to overrule, but if there not 100% sure, then the goal umpire’s decision stands

[the big fella]

Where is mr taylor on this one..?

[Jetters]

The goal umpire's decison is final.
However, in games where the goal umpires are not official goal umpires, eg club umpires, the rules in most comps allow the field umpire to over rule.

[atlantis]

Just having a look on the "money in country footy thread". If these payments from Mt Torrens are true then i dont feel so bad losing by a point anymore

[lebron]

Games this week please?

[Bertie Beetle]

Games this week please?

Blackwood vs Onkaparinga Valley - These matches are usually very even, but with Blackwood having a few back in this week, it will get them over the line. Blackwood by 5 goals

Mt Lofty vs Hahndorf - Another close game, with Hahndorf needing a win to get there season going and Mt Lofty looking to bounce back. But Mt Lofty will be too strong on home soil (3 goals)

Lobethal vs Torrens Valley - First time these teams have played, and it should be a good one. Torrens Valley lead by past Tiger Premiership player Gary Hughes and looking to continue there winning ways, and Lobethal are much a much improved team on recent seasons. I'm going with Lobethal on there home turf (2 goals)

Mt Barker vs Ironbank - Will be an interesting game, to see where Ironbank are at. Tested Blackwood round 1 and beat Mt Lofty in round 2, now they face the best in the competition. Mt Barker will want to continue to give there young-kids game time. Ironbank will test them, but they'll still be too strong (6 goals)

Uraidla Districts vs Bridgewater - Uraidla by heaps (20 goals)

[Justquietly]

I don't get the Courier so not sure of injuries, but here goes:

Blackwood vs Onkaparinga Valley - Blackwood by 6 goals, should be a very good game. The 'Woods will be tough all year.

Mt Lofty vs Hahndorf - Lofty back on a biger deck, the Devs by 7 goals.

Lobethal vs Torrens Valley - Agreed re Lobey, they seem to be OK this year, the Tigers by 6 goals at home.

Mt Barker vs Ironbank - toughie! The 'Roos are still the hunted but I don't think that IB quite have the class but should be a cracker. I'll go the 'Roos by 25 points.

Uraidla Districts vs Bridgewater - Can Bridgey be kept to 2 goals, 3 games straight? Yes. They will be in struggletown at Uraidla and although a big win is on the cards, Uris tend to just get the job done. The cabbage by 13 goals.

[PPLions]

Phillip Dudley from Port Lincoln named for Torrens Valley today.
Looks like Billy Neely still out

http://www.sportingpulse.com/round_info.cgi?a=MATCH&fixture=119655433&c=1-6621-0-160872-0&pool=1

[Bertie Beetle]

Blackwood versus Onkaparinga Valley (16/04/11) results -

A-Grade - Blackwood : (16. 9- 105) defeated Onka. Valley : (12. 7 - 79)

Blackwood entered the mouth-watering clash regaining Captain Paul Magary and youngster Sam Fotheringham, but were missing Kym Cobb, Josh Sidebottom, Michael Padroth, Jaryd Ewers, Damon Jones and Troy Edwards.

Kicking with a strong wind ‘down the hill’ in the first, the Valley Bulldogs had a strong start kicking with a strong wind down and were leading by 4 goals a quarter time (5.2 to 1.2). Looking to get back on even terms the Woods got an early goal back in the second quarter. But then ball then traveled between 50m arches for the next period of the quarter until Blackwood kicked a-couple of late goals to draw score level on half time.

They then continued there run at the start of the 3rd piling on the goals and in the early stages of the last they had a lead by 5 goals. But again, for the 3rd week in a row, they had a stumble and Onka’s pulled the margin back to within a goal, but a yellow-card to Paul Tanner handed the ascendancy back to Blackwood who kicked away to win by 4 goals.

B-Grade - Blackwood defeated Hahndorf - not sure of final score but it was approx 6 goals

17's - Blackwood defeated Onka Valley – not sure of final score but it was about 16 goals.

15's - Blackwood defeated Onka Valley

13's - Blackwood defeated Onka Valley - (2 points)

[Afterthesiren]

JQ, is what I'm hearing right... Lofty lost by 7 points again?