SANFL Stuffing up our league

[Darth Vader]

I love come-backs by teams and we have all had them. I'll tread warily because Crows are my No.2 team behind Essendon but 1993 prelim was one of the best days of my footy life.
I hate to see people streaming out of the ground when their side is being flogged unless they are Collingwood supporters then I couldn't give a stuff - I just cheer!
Meanwhile, back to the reasons why the SANFL is stuffing up league footy....as I said the occupants of the Whickertorium are too busy slapping each other on the back and doing lunch with money that could be used to prop up country footy clubs.

[Gravel]

Keep posting Hondo. You appear to have a sound knowledge of how the footy dollar is generated and distributed in SA, and don't allow any prejudice to cloud your judgements. I enjoy your posts.

[Royal City]

It was very different back then. The first AFL team in Adelaide. Lots of neutrals and bandwagonners. People would stand on their seats when watching (well, I did). It was sensational in those early days. Tickets would sell out two weeks in advance. Now 75% of the crowd have sat in their same seats for 20 years and sometimes you can hear a pin drop and 10,000 people with tickets don't even turn up! Dropping PAFC wouldn't automatically return us to those early days.

That's not the issue here though. It's how much better has the SANFL gone since it had 22 AFL home games instead of 11? This is despite the money they've had to kick back into the PAFC. Catering revenue even from a 20,000 crowd would be huge.

Air tight logic as always.

If the PAFC so important to the crows future. Can I ask why are the crows crowds dropping off now with PAFC's presence in the AFL currently ?????

AFL certainly not the same as 20 years ago. Theyll have the burden of GWS and Gold Coast to carry from now on. Should be interesting how that turns out.

[Booney]

[Hondo]

If the PAFC so important to the crows future. Can I ask why are the crows crowds dropping off now with PAFC's presence in the AFL currently ?????

I don't think there'd be an automatic uplift in Crows crowds if there was no Port Adelaide. The main problem for Crows crowds is existing ticket holders not turning up. Why would they turn up if Port didn't exist?

Why people aren't going to AAMI Stadium anymore is a whole other debate. The AFL think it's the stadium itself (it's age and location). I think that's part of it but not the whole story.

You'd need a bigger stadium and a very popular Crows to make up the revenue if we lost 11 AFL home games x average 25000 attendance (or whatever Port get this year).

[CENTURION]

If the PAFC so important to the crows future. Can I ask why are the crows crowds dropping off now with PAFC's presence in the AFL currently ?????

I don't think there'd be an automatic uplift in Crows crowds if there was no Port Adelaide. The main problem for Crows crowds is existing ticket holders not turning up. Why would they turn up if Port didn't exist?

Why people aren't going to AAMI Stadium anymore is a whole other debate. The AFL think it's the stadium itself (it's age and location). I think that's part of it but not the whole story.

You'd need a bigger stadium and a very popular Crows to make up the revenue if we lost 11 AFL home games x average 25000 attendance (or whatever Port get this year).

they ain't goin' coz they ain't winnin'!

[Gravel]

I believe there are a number of reasons why AFL fans are not going to AAMI stadium.
- Live TV against the gate unless a sellout, or a 20 minute delay - this did not occur when the last Stadium deal was inked
- The AFL time slots - the 12.40 and 16.40 sunday games have never been popular and SA cops more than its share
- AAMI is on the nose - surveys show that gen Y are not going due to its location and the majority of existing AAMI members / attendees now want a city based stadium
- The AFL clubs not winning - bandwagoners probably inflated the early Crows and Port attendances and these are the first to fall away
- Game plans - Many Crows and Port fans refuse to go to watch chipping, flooding and kicking backwards etc.

[CENTURION]

the last 2 issues are the ones, not winning affects EVERY sporting side in the country! The game plan is a big issue as well! who wants to watch negative, backwards football? we want to see action, high-scores & fast movement of the ball & players.

[Royal City]

If the PAFC so important to the crows future. Can I ask why are the crows crowds dropping off now with PAFC's presence in the AFL currently ?????

I don't think there'd be an automatic uplift in Crows crowds if there was no Port Adelaide. The main problem for Crows crowds is existing ticket holders not turning up. Why would they turn up if Port didn't exist?

If you love watching AFL and one club has a monoploy on the market ???? Guess who you need to go and watch to see the AFl brand.

If Crows season ticket holders keep refusing to rock up and you have other fans willing to not only purchase a season ticket, but they will also guartantee 100% attendance. The Crows just need to place a minimum amount of games per year you are required to attend to be automaticllay assured your season ticket gets renewed.

Not hard when you take the blinkers off mate.

[Royal City]

I believe there are a number of reasons why AFL fans are not going to AAMI stadium.
- Live TV against the gate unless a sellout, or a 20 minute delay - this did not occur when the last Stadium deal was inked -
The AFL time slots - the 12.40 and 16.40 sunday games have never been popular and SA cops more than its share
- AAMI is on the nose - surveys show that gen Y are not going due to its location and the majority of existing AAMI members / attendees now want a city based stadium
- The AFL clubs not winning - bandwagoners probably inflated the early Crows and Port attendances and these are the first to fall away
- Game plans - Many Crows and Port fans refuse to go to watch chipping, flooding and kicking backwards etc.

BINGO!!!!!!

the rest are simply lame excuses.

Is their a guarantee of live against the gate will dissapear if AFl football moves to Adelaide Oval ?????

If not. I seriously Doubt much will change with Ports crowds, dont you agree in your highly unbiased opinion Port fan ???

[Hondo]

If you love watching AFL and one club has a monoploy on the market ???? Guess who you need to go and watch to see the AFl brand.

If Crows season ticket holders keep refusing to rock up and you have other fans willing to not only purchase a season ticket, but they will also guartantee 100% attendance. The Crows just need to place a minimum amount of games per year you are required to attend to be automaticllay assured your season ticket gets renewed.

Not hard when you take the blinkers off mate.

The Crows games are mostly sold out already. There's no more tickets left. All you achieve by dropping PAFC is you take 25000 x 11 games out of the SANFL's catering revenue.

Great

Your solution is to twist the arm of the 10000 Crows and SANFL members fans with tickets who don't go every week and hope they go. 25000 > 10000. 2.5 times as much. If Port's crowds ever drop to below 15000 regularly and you can guarantee you'll get 50000 to every Crows game then you're on to somehting .... maybe

[CENTURION]

but what happens if The Power keep going downhill? less people attending the games, less money being made. What do we do then? or if it happens to the crows? prop them up, or cull?

[Hondo]

We have an asset we own freehold (AAMI Stadium) and you guys want to rip half it's AFL games away from it every season. WTF else do we do with the Stadium to generate the same revenue? Run a craft fair maybe? Sexpo?

[CENTURION]

We have an asset we own freehold (AAMI Stadium) and you guys want to rip half it's AFL games away from it every season. WTF else do we do with the Stadium to generate the same revenue? Run a craft fair maybe? Sexpo?

now you're thinking laterally! but you didn't answer my question.

[Hondo]

We have an asset we own freehold (AAMI Stadium) and you guys want to rip half it's AFL games away from it every season. WTF else do we do with the Stadium to generate the same revenue? Run a craft fair maybe? Sexpo?

now you're thinking laterally! but you didn't answer my question.

If the SANFL can't get 2 AFL teams working successfully in a traditional footy state then there is something wrong and the AFL will step in and do it for us. It's the number one sport in Australia with a $1b TV rights deal coming up.

You're question is speculation and speculation is feeding the beast here. It's like saying what would the SANFL do if West Lakes and the Adelaide CBD sunk in an earthquake.

[CENTURION]

We have an asset we own freehold (AAMI Stadium) and you guys want to rip half it's AFL games away from it every season. WTF else do we do with the Stadium to generate the same revenue? Run a craft fair maybe? Sexpo?

now you're thinking laterally! but you didn't answer my question.

If the SANFL can't get 2 AFL teams working successfully in a traditional footy state then there is something wrong and the AFL will step in and do it for us. It's the number one sport in Australia with a $1b TV rights deal coming up.

You're question is speculation and speculation is feeding the beast here. It's like saying what would the SANFL do if West Lakes and the Adelaide CBD sunk in an earthquake.

no it's not, what we're talking about is on the brink of happening. we dont have the population to sustain 2 teams.

[Royal City]

We have an asset we own freehold (AAMI Stadium) and you guys want to rip half it's AFL games away from it every season. WTF else do we do with the Stadium to generate the same revenue? Run a craft fair maybe? Sexpo?

now you're thinking laterally! but you didn't answer my question.

If the SANFL can't get 2 AFL teams working successfully in a traditional footy state then there is something wrong and the AFL will step in and do it for us. It's the number one sport in Australia with a $1b TV rights deal coming up.

You're question is speculation and speculation is feeding the beast here. It's like saying what would the SANFL do if West Lakes and the Adelaide CBD sunk in an earthquake.

no it's not, what we're talking about is on the brink of happening. we dont have the population to sustain 2 teams.

No its armagerddan that will never happen apparently Centurion. Just ask Hondo and those on the big footy board.

Sorry to ask again Hondo. But If Port continues to leak millions what other choice do we have ????

Its time for people to stop believing this inevitable dream will just end up working out best for everyone. And actually start looking for a PLAN B.

I remember 3 years ago the same protestors on here calling me crazy for suggesting no way Port Adelaide could survive by itself. Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Royal City]

If you love watching AFL and one club has a monoploy on the market ???? Guess who you need to go and watch to see the AFl brand.

If Crows season ticket holders keep refusing to rock up and you have other fans willing to not only purchase a season ticket, but they will also guartantee 100% attendance. The Crows just need to place a minimum amount of games per year you are required to attend to be automaticllay assured your season ticket gets renewed.

Not hard when you take the blinkers off mate.

The Crows games are mostly sold out already. There's no more tickets left. All you achieve by dropping PAFC is you take 25000 x 11 games out of the SANFL's catering revenue.

Great

Your solution is to twist the arm of the 10000 Crows and SANFL members fans with tickets who don't go every week and hope they go. 25000 > 10000. 2.5 times as much. If Port's crowds ever drop to below 15000 regularly and you can guarantee you'll get 50000 to every Crows game then you're on to somehting .... maybe

So with 11 less games at AAMI. There would be No saving on expenditure at all In your opionion Hondo. just 100% less revenue ??????

So Crows makes the SANFL revenue.
the SANFL comp/clubs makes the SANFL revenue
And Port makes the SANFL revenue

But without Ports revenue. The whole thing would go broke.

It is a very interesting financial theory is all I can say.

[Darth Vader]

I think if Victoria's population can support 10 teams we should surely be able to support two. The problem you guys are missing or avoiding is the whole Port Adelaide thing. Unless you grew up to barrack for them you were taught to hate them. They forced there way onto the national stage and now they can suffer. The only time I barrack for Collingwood is when they play Ports and I know plenty of blokes in my little footy club who do the same.
The second team should have been headquartered at say Norwood Oval and called Eastern Suburbs or East Adelaide or something. Then people who were neutral to the Crows - could have jumped onboard Easts. Crows had a healthy support base among Alberton people who probably would have stayed true. It would have worked because it was emotion-neutral

[beenreal]

I think if Victoria's population can support 10 teams we should surely be able to support two. The problem you guys are missing or avoiding is the whole Port Adelaide thing. Unless you grew up to barrack for them you were taught to hate them. They forced there way onto the national stage and now they can suffer. The only time I barrack for Collingwood is when they play Ports and I know plenty of blokes in my little footy club who do the same.
The second team should have been headquartered at say Norwood Oval and called Eastern Suburbs or East Adelaide or something. Then people who were neutral to the Crows - could have jumped onboard Easts. Crows had a healthy support base among Alberton people who probably would have stayed true. It would have worked because it was emotion-neutral

So you live on the Crows side of town but don't support them. But as a "neutral", you would have jumped upon an Eastern side conglomerate?