When Is SA Cricket going to get its act together..?

[dedja]

This is the house that SACA built ...

[Bulls forever]

Someone has to add some class to this thread, tried finding that person, no luck, so here you go with my thoughts.

SACA contract 20 odd players, who start training in June / July, solely with SACA. The first the Grade Clubs see of those players is the Thursday selection before the first Grade game, sure they might pop in and say hello, but they certainly don't train prior to that. These contracted players go to two pre season comps, one in Darwin and one in Qld somewhere. They start internal trials in September when Damien and his workers can get the centre wickets up. The Grade Clubs have no input and no access to any of this. When the cricket season commences, the contracted players continue to train full time in SACA, they make appearances at Grade Clubs, but seldom do much at training, which is understandable. They are continually playing against the other top 20 odd players in the state, either in the nets or internal trials. Then if not selected for Redbacks, they will play in the futures league (which should revert back to 2nd 11 anyway) against the best players in Australia. The exposure of the players to the best available practice conditions, competing against our best players is continuous. Now are you all trying to tell me that because our Grade Comp is so "shite", that is the reason SACA cricket is so bad. Also taking into account that regularly the Redbacks bowlers don't play Grade because they are sore and SACA wish them to rest.

Now, let me tell you my theory. SACA get the best juniors from U12 level, the best then continue in underage development squads up until they finish in U19's. They too start training in July most years and receive extensive training in SACA, by the best SACA have to offer. We compete fairly well in underage cricket against the other States, only to fail to compete when we get to the big boys. Naturally our smaller State will dictate that we won't produce what the bigger States do, but why can't we develop our best kids, who SACA have for 6 or 7 years, into shield cricketers. ASK THE HIGH PERFORMANCE AREA - but don't expect an answer because they are not accountable.

SMAC - I await your response, but make sure your argument is supported by fact, not just thoughts and pro Cox sentiments.

[smac]

You haven't given much to respond to - all you have done is written a story about what happens and it's mostly accurate.

The unaccountable line is funny though.

Mark Sorrell, Wayne Phillips, Greg Quinn, Peter Muggleton and friends may beg to differ about that.

[Footy Smart]

You haven't given much to respond to - all you have done is written a story about what happens and it's mostly accurate.

The unaccountable line is funny though.

Mark Sorrell, Wayne Phillips, Greg Quinn, Peter Muggleton and friends may beg to differ about that.

I was talking to a few State lads the other day about the coaching situation etc, they let slip a few home thruths about coaching and the way things are run at SACA. Under the current system (coaching) the players are rarely held accountable for poor performance. They can go out there play the worst shot ever walk straight past the coaching staff and know that there wont be any follow up from it! its basically a case of 'yep you played a bad shot dont do it again'. They said that they need a coach, that when you f*ck up is holding the changeroom door open for you when you come off and follows you in to rip shreds off you.

What has Phillips, Sorrell, Quinny, Mugs, Zessers etc done in their roles? anything of notable importance?

[Footy Smart]

Also smac you may have heard this, it is believed that Ryan Harris will be back at SACA next season when his 3 year deal is up at QLD. Wants to return home and finish his career. His knee is basically bone on bone now

[bulldogs]

Also smac you may have heard this, it is believed that Ryan Harris will be back at SACA next season when his 3 year deal is up at QLD. Wants to return home and finish his career. His knee is basically bone on bone now

can play for another 12 years then

[smac]

You haven't given much to respond to - all you have done is written a story about what happens and it's mostly accurate.

The unaccountable line is funny though.

Mark Sorrell, Wayne Phillips, Greg Quinn, Peter Muggleton and friends may beg to differ about that.

I was talking to a few State lads the other day about the coaching situation etc, they let slip a few home thruths about coaching and the way things are run at SACA. Under the current system (coaching) the players are rarely held accountable for poor performance. They can go out there play the worst shot ever walk straight past the coaching staff and know that there wont be any follow up from it! its basically a case of 'yep you played a bad shot dont do it again'. They said that they need a coach, that when you f*ck up is holding the changeroom door open for you when you come off and follows you in to rip shreds off you.

What has Phillips, Sorrell, Quinny, Mugs, Zessers etc done in their roles? anything of notable importance?

The four names I listed have all been sacked/contract not renewed, held accountable to the results (or lack of) that they were responsible for in the last 18 months for three of them (Phillips about 3 and a bit years ago).

I have seen what goes on during games, can't comment on it.

[bayman]

can anyone enlighten me to the availability of mark cleary, is he still playing ? if so how come he doesn't get a chance ? as almost every time i've seen him he has either batted or bowled well

[heater31]

can anyone enlighten me to the availability of mark cleary, is he still playing ? if so how come he doesn't get a chance ? as almost every time i've seen him he has either batted or bowled well

Ice has moved to Victoria which he threatened to do for several years seeing as he was a Mildura boy originally . Last time I checked he was only playing the limited overs stuff but probably like his time in SA is injured at the moment.

[bayman]

can anyone enlighten me to the availability of mark cleary, is he still playing ? if so how come he doesn't get a chance ? as almost every time i've seen him he has either batted or bowled well

Ice has moved to Victoria which he threatened to do for several years seeing as he was a Mildura boy originally . Last time I checked he was only playing the limited overs stuff but probably like his time in SA is injured at the moment.

thanks h31, imho he's a better player than some that get picked

[Bulls forever]

You haven't given much to respond to - all you have done is written a story about what happens and it's mostly accurate.

The unaccountable line is funny though.

Mark Sorrell, Wayne Phillips, Greg Quinn, Peter Muggleton and friends may beg to differ about that.

I take your point, by accountability I was actually thinking a bit higher. So SMAC i guess my question is, why do the clubs keep on getting s..tpotted, if you agree with my "War & Peace", then it is certainly not their fault that our cricket is poor. The debate could continue forever. I think bottom line is, whenever we have won the shield, we have a couple of outstanding imports that have helped and their professionlism, ability, impact, etc. etc. has obviously rubbed off on our locals. I know the ability to get a "star" these days is seriously impacted by all the cricket the internationals are playing, so I say, we target some proven and established Shield cricketers and form a team around them. Thoughts. I know a couple of unemployed crickets by the names of Amir and Butt that would look good in red and black.

[smithy]

I know a couple of unemployed crickets by the names of Amir and Butt that would look good in red and black.

You sign them and the stadium will be paid off in half the time.

[Media Park]

Excuse the ignorance, but where is Andy Delmont these days?

[Bulls forever]

Excuse the ignorance, but where is Andy Delmont these days?

MP, Richmond, victoria, went over and playing with Mr Wise, not sure how much he has played, broke his leg (I think) playing footy, word was he wasn't going to play prior to Christmas

[Adelaide Hawk]

Can we blame the clubs for not wanting to merge
District Cricket is the equivallent of the SANFL comp
Would supporters want Norwood to merge with North
South to merge with Glenelg
And these clubs lose thier identities ?

I would not like my old club Woodville to merge with Post adelaide in district cricket, something would be lost

About 10 years ago the SACA encouraged clubs to have merger talks, and I know that Sturt and Glenelg were seriously looking at the option. However, as we know, most clubs in the SACA are wishy washy and did nothing except meet for a few drinks and a chat, so the whole thing fell through.

Let's face it, if you leave it in the hands of the clubs, nothing is going to happen. Those club officials are on a pretty good wicket with honorary memberships and seats in the officlas box in Test, Shield and one day matches, why would they vote themselves out of a free "drinky-do"?

The only merger we've seen resulted from the ridiculous situation where they brought in Elizabeth and then merged them with Salisbury to form Northern Districts. All this achieved was to rename Salisbury as Northern Districts and create an uneven number of teams, thus the bye. How amateurish is that? A young player on the cusp of state selection sits it out for 2 weeks because his team has a bye. Only the SACA could do that.

We have a club that has no junior program and exists purely by robbing other clubs of players. Once again, how amateurish is that? SACA will never get it's act together because the people responsible for the solutions are the very same people who are the problem.

[Bum Crack]

Off subject a bit, but apparently Prospect and Tea Tree Gully will be playing a Shell Cup match in Berri sometime in February?? I was speaking to the President of the Riverland Turf Cricket Association last weekend about it and he knew absolutely nothing about it. I also spoke to the curator of the pitch at Berri and he too knows nothing. That's pretty poor form from SACA not to even have the courtesy to let anyone know that there is a match on. From what I hear, this is quite normal practice from SACA

[smac]

Off subject a bit, but apparently Prospect and Tea Tree Gully will be playing a Shell Cup match in Berri sometime in February?? I was speaking to the President of the Riverland Turf Cricket Association last weekend about it and he knew absolutely nothing about it. I also spoke to the curator of the pitch at Berri and he too knows nothing. That's pretty poor form from SACA not to even have the courtesy to let anyone know that there is a match on. From what I hear, this is quite normal practice from SACA

The grade clubs are all organising these matches - your gripe in this instance is with TTG. All other country matches have been organised for months.

What is normal practice from SACA is to cop the blame for other peoples issues, it seems.

[Bum Crack]

Off subject a bit, but apparently Prospect and Tea Tree Gully will be playing a Shell Cup match in Berri sometime in February?? I was speaking to the President of the Riverland Turf Cricket Association last weekend about it and he knew absolutely nothing about it. I also spoke to the curator of the pitch at Berri and he too knows nothing. That's pretty poor form from SACA not to even have the courtesy to let anyone know that there is a match on. From what I hear, this is quite normal practice from SACA

The grade clubs are all organising these matches - your gripe in this instance is with TTG. All other country matches have been organised for months.

What is normal practice from SACA is to cop the blame for other peoples issues, it seems.

So SACA has absolutely nothing to do with these matches whatsoever???

[smac]

Off subject a bit, but apparently Prospect and Tea Tree Gully will be playing a Shell Cup match in Berri sometime in February?? I was speaking to the President of the Riverland Turf Cricket Association last weekend about it and he knew absolutely nothing about it. I also spoke to the curator of the pitch at Berri and he too knows nothing. That's pretty poor form from SACA not to even have the courtesy to let anyone know that there is a match on. From what I hear, this is quite normal practice from SACA

The grade clubs are all organising these matches - your gripe in this instance is with TTG. All other country matches have been organised for months.

What is normal practice from SACA is to cop the blame for other peoples issues, it seems.

So SACA has absolutely nothing to do with these matches whatsoever???

Yes, in programming them. The clubs all agreed to organise these matches and for the other 5 clubs who are the home team in these matches it hasn't been an issue. In my role at Northern Districts I started organising the Nuri match during October.

[Bum Crack]

Maybe if there is someone involved with Tea Tree Gully on this thread, they can let Berri know there is a game on.