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Re: APPS

Postby turk186 » Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:18 pm

X Runna wrote:Respectfully..........I would suggest if you have any concerns about it, speak to your club delegate.

There is a lot of guessing going on here, and most of it is off the mark.


Your absolutely correct XR and the reason for that is that there are still to many "unknowns" about the system and how it will/wont affect your individual club...thats why a true trial period would have helped
and I dont know what the SAAFL appointed APPS sub committee is all about I dont think many at last nights meeting even knew it existed
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Re: APPS

Postby X Runna » Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:51 pm

curlyhead wrote:
X Runna wrote:Respectfully..........I would suggest if you have any concerns about it, speak to your club delegate.

There is a lot of guessing going on here, and most of it is off the mark.



Respectfully.....................many Clubs send someone to these meetings, who does not want to be there and is sent by their Club as no one else wants to go...........so checking with the Delegate in many instances is never always the answer. Anyway this is not set in stone as yet and apparently still too be voted upon, which gives some hope to it being overturned, although this appears unlikely. It would appear that Big Brother has told the SAAFL what to do and this is going to be accepted. The Financial impost on the SAAFL would be severely put under strain if they do not toe the line according to sources


I would hope all clubs sent responsible people last night. This was always going to be a big decision.........

A show of hands was called for to give indication as to whether to go with it in principle, and if passed would be signed off on at the AGM. The vote was overwhelmingly in favour, and has no hope of being overturned.

The SAAFL are pretty well the last body to join the CFB (I believe there may be one or two leagues who have decided against it, but I could be wrong there..). As mentioned earlier in the thread, the representation of Nobby Symes from the B,L & G League was great. He was 100% honest about what would happen to SAAFL clubs if it didn't go through.

Our clubs would be decimated in trying to match the money country clubs are willing to throw around (some players $2000.00 per game). It would have sent many clubs to the wall trying to do it, and most clubs would have their lost their best players, and who can blame the players going for that kind of loot? We all know what happens most times when that slide starts.........

A lot of players would head bush for the money, someone mentioned last night TTG lost 6 players to one country side alone last year. That's what this is trying to do - stop the mass influx & mass exodus of players as clubs try & buy a premiership.

One thing everyone must understand, the SAAFL Executive will have the right to grant concessions themselves, &/or support a club's concession to the CFB. Furthermore, as stated by Glen Rosser of the CFB last night, they have never not granted a request............. This is where cases like CBC's will be judged on individual circumstances, I am sure they will not be left in the lurch - that is what neither the SAAFL or CFB want.

Rest assured, there certainly is scope for the SAAFL & CFB to assist individual clubs with solid cases. It is not us bailing out to anyone, it is the league being supportive of football overall - and in this case it does several things.
a) It stops what could be a stampede from the SAAFL to country clubs.
b) It saves the SAAFL clubs a lot in match payments.
c) It will stop clubs from a big slide if they lose their best few players, then a heap from the 2nd string.....
d) It will stop lower clubs from being the big boom club if they should be suddenly very wealthy for one reason or another, and all their recruits are of top quality and generally paid a fistful. Again, we all know that never lasts..........

I really fail to see where this can be detrimental to any club other than those who absolutely MUST pay someone to play for them (ie, everyone).
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Re: APPS

Postby The Riddler » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:48 am

Gents I've been away so haven't completely wrapt my head around this whole points system but was wondering how will this effect a low grade club like mine without any juniors? On face value looks like we're stuffed if we wanted to gain a few blokes from higher grades to help us move up? :?
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Re: APPS

Postby teaoby » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:57 am

well riddler not really, because if you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.
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Re: APPS

Postby Mr Beefy » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:58 am

teaoby wrote:well riddler not really, because if you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.

Plus you can get Old Scholars for zip if they played 25 games for the school
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Re: APPS

Postby The Riddler » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:03 am

teaoby wrote:well riddler not really, because if you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.

So anyone in the SAAFL (even div 1 & 2) is only worth 1 point? I'm assuming div 1r & div 2r players would be worth 0? Also are you saying players we recruited last season are counted towards points next year? Cheers for the info ;)
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Re: APPS

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:16 am

Someone from the Mossies was there and asked about your club and the connection to St Pauls
Gino said that they would review your situation
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Re: APPS

Postby Mr Beefy » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:42 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:Someone from the Mossies was there and asked about your club and the connection to St Pauls
Gino said that they would review your situation

I'm guessing the same rules would apply to Pulteney since changing from Pulteney OS to Pulteney FC?
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Re: APPS

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:54 pm

I'd say so
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Re: APPS

Postby TheAussieBogan » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:09 pm

Mr Beefy wrote:
teaoby wrote:well riddler not really, because if you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.

Plus you can get Old Scholars for zip if they played 25 games for the school


Ohh lucky you Riddler, you can recruit me for 0 points, don't you feel honored :P


teaoby wrote:you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.


Just to make sure I have this correct, If Glenunga recruit 5 people from div 4 this year, they are only worth 5 points this season (2011) but in (2012) they would be worth 0 points ?
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Re: APPS

Postby Pag » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:12 pm

TheAussieBogan wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
teaoby wrote:well riddler not really, because if you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.

Plus you can get Old Scholars for zip if they played 25 games for the school


Ohh lucky you Riddler, you can recruit me for 0 points, don't you feel honored :P


teaoby wrote:you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.


Just to make sure I have this correct, If Glenunga recruit 5 people from div 4 this year, they are only worth 5 points this season (2011) but in (2012) they would be worth 0 points ?
At the moment that is correct, but if logic prevails and Div 4-7 players become two-pointers, it will be ten points in '11, five in '12 and 0 in '13.
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Re: APPS

Postby TheAussieBogan » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:19 pm

Pag wrote:
TheAussieBogan wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
teaoby wrote:well riddler not really, because if you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.

Plus you can get Old Scholars for zip if they played 25 games for the school


Ohh lucky you Riddler, you can recruit me for 0 points, don't you feel honored :P


teaoby wrote:you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.


Just to make sure I have this correct, If Glenunga recruit 5 people from div 4 this year, they are only worth 5 points this season (2011) but in (2012) they would be worth 0 points ?
At the moment that is correct, but if logic prevails and Div 4-7 players become two-pointers, it will be ten points in '11, five in '12 and 0 in '13.


Sorry to ask another dumb question, but what happens to clubs that go over their allocated points (I read 15 somewhere?)
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Re: APPS

Postby One Eyed » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:22 pm

You are made to play for flinders Uni
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Re: APPS

Postby zedman » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:59 pm

lol 8)
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Re: APPS

Postby Pag » Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:23 pm

If an A Grade side is over 15 points for a game, I believe they lose that particular game and I would assume a fine as well.
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Re: APPS

Postby Bigshow82 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:07 pm

Just a thought but with the points when players go from club to club but stay in the saafl I agree 1 point for everybody seems strange but what if it was 1 point for players from divs 4-7 but then 2 points for players from divs 1-3?
Would make it easier for clubs to keep players in the saafl because they would then be worth more points still if they change leagues. As I said just a thought.
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Re: APPS

Postby sprinttospace » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:34 pm

Pag wrote:
TheAussieBogan wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
teaoby wrote:well riddler not really, because if you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.

Plus you can get Old Scholars for zip if they played 25 games for the school


Ohh lucky you Riddler, you can recruit me for 0 points, don't you feel honored :P


teaoby wrote:you recruit from within the saafl players are only 1point (at the moment) so depending on how many points you already have you can have 15points worth of blokes in your A-grade on any matchday.


Just to make sure I have this correct, If Glenunga recruit 5 people from div 4 this year, they are only worth 5 points this season (2011) but in (2012) they would be worth 0 points ?
At the moment that is correct, but if logic prevails and Div 4-7 players become two-pointers, it will be ten points in '11, five in '12 and 0 in '13.

aren't div 1-3 players worth 3 when they move and the rest of saafl worth 2 when they move and then it redices by 1 each year they stay with the club they moved to, or at least that's what the document i've got says.
so if a player moved from a div 1 club in 2010 they are worth 3-1 in 2011.
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Re: APPS

Postby zedman » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:38 pm

clubs will have to recruit mensa dropouts to manage this..
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Re: APPS

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:59 pm

or, maybe, read the document.....

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Re: APPS

Postby zedman » Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:06 pm

i mean in the collation of points..the recording of years played..including all the college football teams..the deduction of points for each year played..lots of grey areas and anomalies..who was what when and how..with iscore and the demands required there to have information in before certain times.. being a team manager/football director is nearly a paid job now..
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