SAAFL Div 3 & 3R (2010)

[S Demon]

Div 3
Old Ignatians 25.06 156 v 11.12 78 Mitcham
SMOSH West Lakes 09.10 64 v 11.11 77 Portland
Scotch OC 07.17 59 v 15.14 104 Kilburn
CBCOC 20.08 128 v 09.20 74 Seaton Ramblers
Para Hills 10.09 69 v 15.11 101 Prince Alfred OC

Div 3R
Old Ignatians 06.06 42 v 11.09 75 Mitcham
SMOSH West Lakes 15.11 101 v 06.04 40 Portland
Scotch OC 21.12 138 v 05.04 34 Kilburn
CBCOC 09.09 63 v 09.06 60 Seaton Ramblers
Para Hills 09.02 56 v 15.13 103 Prince Alfred OC

[Footy Chick]

Scotch OC 07.17 59 v [b]15.14 104 Kilburn

Well done Kilburn!

[blackcat]

Put PAOC name on the premiership now. We busted our guts out today but with no result. Quality side that will take a lot of beating, and I cant see anyone doing that.

Now you have to keep your side together for a push into higher divisions. Hope so, leave us battlers alone!!!!

[Top End]

Put PAOC name on the premiership now. We busted our guts out today but with no result. Quality side that will take a lot of beating, and I cant see anyone doing that.

Now you have to keep your side together for a push into higher divisions. Hope so, leave us battlers alone!!!!

Would not bet on PAOC with the Flag just yet. Think you have forgotten about Old Ignatians who are IMO the best side in the Comp on their day. Clinical today against Mitcham. Forward structure is just much better than PAOC and midfield every bit as good or better. Maybe a bit light on down back but no Whiteman today. Certainly a 2 horse race though at this stage and would need a minor miracle from every other Club to get close to either. Old Iggies for me though. Everyone worries about White but Pedlar is the key. He talks and keeps everyone moving around and is easily the most valuable player in the side and IMO in Division 3. The player to most likely win you a game, not just with his game but what he does around him and with his voice and body language and bringing others into the game. Goes from CHF to FF to a having a run on the ball as a 6.3 midfielder as well.

[Trader]

Agreed, PAOC forward line isn't good. They rely on their half backs to keep them in games and then get a couple of lucky goals up forward to get over the line. The need pinch hitting roles to get the 6 pointers. That ruckman sluts forward to kick a couple, or they pull Roo out of the Alma front bar for a couple of hours.
IMO, they need to have a long hard chat with #8 (Cleggett I think). Sure, he's a skilled player, but he only thinks of himself. Often jumps over his own guys trying to take a hanger, and when he leads into a hole, if the kick doesn't go to him, he sulks and sits in the way, or joggs back through it blocking up the space for the other forwards. Needs to continue his leads through and out of the 50 then come back into the square by going around the hole, not through it.

The other concern I have over their set up is when the ball gets over their HB line. The full back (Nobby?) is prone to more than the occasional brain fart from what limited time I've seen of him. Given the low scoring style of footy they play, these costly mistakes are amplified.

Having said all that, PAOC are a good side to get out and watch, they don't chip the ball around too much and generally try and run the ball through and over the lines, and they normally provide a good close game against the top 4 or 5 sides.

[Top End]

Agreed, PAOC forward line isn't good. They rely on their half backs to keep them in games and then get a couple of lucky goals up forward to get over the line. The need pinch hitting roles to get the 6 pointers. That ruckman sluts forward to kick a couple, or they pull Roo out of the Alma front bar for a couple of hours.
IMO, they need to have a long hard chat with #8 (Cleggett I think). Sure, he's a skilled player, but he only thinks of himself. Often jumps over his own guys trying to take a hanger, and when he leads into a hole, if the kick doesn't go to him, he sulks and sits in the way, or joggs back through it blocking up the space for the other forwards. Needs to continue his leads through and out of the 50 then come back into the square by going around the hole, not through it.

The other concern I have over their set up is when the ball gets over their HB line. The full back (Nobby?) is prone to more than the occasional brain fart from what limited time I've seen of him. Given the low scoring style of footy they play, these costly mistakes are amplified.

Having said all that, PAOC are a good side to get out and watch, they don't chip the ball around too much and generally try and run the ball through and over the lines, and they normally provide a good close game against the top 4 or 5 sides.

Would suggest that you are being a bit harsh on PAOC there Trader. They are a good side and the only ones who can match it with Old Ignatians. In saying that PAOC will claim to have beaten Old Iggies twice this year and probably have just cause for favouritism, BUT I think in a close Finals game that Old Iggies are a shade better. Very hard to pick a winner but Iggies by under 3 goals. Bit harsh on the Ruckman and Ricciuto as well. Dalwood has hardly been beaten and a near on certainly for the Team of the Year and Ricciuto plays when he can due to his Television work not that at the Alma. A little bit of jealousy or the old College poof mentallity there Trader. PAOC are a very good side and are 12-0, so that tells you something. IMO though Old Iggies are a "Shade" better

[X Runna]

Princes boys......

Must be hard gaining respect from non-believers & people who have absolutley no idea about the game......

You are far and away the best TEAM in the competition. Any FOOL who tries to over-analyse it any more is just that - a FOOL
Granted, we had a few key players out today, but irrespective of that, we threw our absolute best against you, and yet when it mattered, you guys rose to another level......No stars, just a great contribution from your whole team.

Anyone who on face value can suggest there is a better team around at this stage than PAOC, has NO F**KING IDEA at all about the game..And they don't play like college pooftas.............& for the record, Iggies won't even make the grand final, it will be CBCOC who get smashed on the big day...........

[Flipper]

PAC obviously the best side in the comp. Will go through undefeated. But i could c cbc, iggies, portland, mitcham seaton, playin off in a gf against pac. Still alot of footy 2 come as well, i could c myself eattin my words and another team playin pac at the big dance. PAC would be payin 0.95c 4 the flag.

My thoughts on the teams (Flippers point of view not the clubs)

PAC - Diff side from last yrs div 4 team but with Rocky leadin them will i b surprised if they get anything less than 1st
Iggies - Gun team CBC lucky 2 beat, couldve gone either way but we will take it. Good to know we can match them on there deck. Shut down the big names, white peddler atkinson (not easy).
Portland - Big thing with portland no key forward, a small team. Looking forward to the return leg. PAC would b hopin they dont have to face the power. Depth would b a worry.
SMOSH - Couldve gone either way again when CBC played them. Rated them very highly but the result against PAC brings up questions marks. I know they had player out but didnt look good in the sunday mail.
Mitcham - Not out of it. If they can get some results could push for top half. When CBC play them next both teams will know where there at, will be a good measuring stick.
Seaton - Just didnt seem to click for Seaton. They have some very good players but they didnt gel when we played against them. But if they can replicate the footy they played against us 1st time round, look out!
Parra Hils - Wont go down but wont play finals.
Scotch - Can play 2 and a half quaters of footy.
Kilburn - Does Shreck play for kilburn?

Not being disrespectful to any club just MY honest opinion. Obviously only seen the games against CBC. Would love 2 hear peoples honest opinion.

PAC 2 go through undefeated, i will put one of my home brews on it, any takers?

[Big Knight]

Well done Kilburn, it is great to see a result after a very tough year, and a solid win!

[One Eyed]

One G. Heard would be a tad ...ahhhh

[X Runna]

One G. Heard would be a tad ...ahhhh

Gotta love that !

[Trader]

What's the point in a forum if we can't discuss how sides might win or lose finals? Perhaps we should just stick to page after page of smilies and comments like "he's a hack" and "did you see the arse on the physio". While both are valid comments, surely we can discuss the actual footy as well? No point having a forum if all we can do is post who's on top of the ladder and everyone has to believe 100% they have the flag in the bag more than 2 months out from the big dance.

Don't get me wrong, PAOC are a very good side, and as you've hinted at, it is their evenness that wins them games. The "bottom 6" are where they win it more than the superstars. I don't think I ever said they weren't good. Just pointed out a few possible concerns over their side. They are the top dogs as it sits right now, why wouldn't we look at ways they might come unstuck? Some people want to give them the flag now, I'm just suggesting they have a couple of things they need to get right before we get the engraver out. Sure, they could win it still without addressing the issues, but you would want to see these things in place before you back em at 1.01.

Top End, yeah, perhaps it does sound harsh against the ruck and roo, but my point was that their forward line needs these pinch hitters. Roo won't be there every game, they could easily fall out when he is off with other duties. And yes, the ruckman has been great, so the fact the forward line needs to take him for 15 mins or so in the third qtr to get a winning score on the board hurts them. It would be better if he could stay in the ruck and continue to dominate there.

PAOC and Iggies would be the final I want to see.

[Top End]

Princes boys......

Must be hard gaining respect from non-believers & people who have absolutley no idea about the game......

You are far and away the best TEAM in the competition. Any FOOL who tries to over-analyse it any more is just that - a FOOL
Granted, we had a few key players out today, but irrespective of that, we threw our absolute best against you, and yet when it mattered, you guys rose to another level......No stars, just a great contribution from your whole team.

Anyone who on face value can suggest there is a better team around at this stage than PAOC, has NO F**KING IDEA at all about the game..And they don't play like college pooftas.............& for the record, Iggies won't even make the grand final, it will be CBCOC who get smashed on the big day...........

To suggest anyone is taking anything away from PAOC is ridiculous and almost as ridiculous as your comment that "Anyone who on face value can suggest there is a better team around at this stage than PAOC, has NO F**KING IDEA at all about the game" - That in itself is sheer stupidity and indicates that you know all about everything. Both Trader and I both suggested different to you thats all. I did it by saying Old Ignatians IMO are the best side but in no way had a crack PAOC, where Trader initially went a bit far and then retracted his comments somewhat, to be more reasonable. X-Runna open your eyes up sport and see that others might have a differing opinion to yourself. You might be right who knows, but basically it is only an opinion and as far as I know they are like ar*eholes - everyone is entitled to have one. You might think that everyone is a wanker or has NO F**KING IDEA as they don't support your idea but that does not make you wrong or anyone else. Who knows who will win the Flag as it is only Round 12 and a long way to go just yet, but I think it will be either PAOC or Old Ignatians are clearly the best sides in the Comp. IMO. That is what Grand Final days are for sunshine and only then will we find out who is the best side. Plenty of sides have not lost a game during the year and then lost on the last Saturday in September, so I guess we will just wait and see.

[Hellboy]

Gees, give X Runna a break

Look what time he posted that!!!

F*** nose the crap I was talkin at that time

[teaoby]

well done too kilburn.

interesting comments about us (pac). good to see some legit thoughts on here instead of meaningless dribble.

on para hills. they played a good brand of footy all day and was a good match, our 3rd quater just killed them tough. (think we kicked 7or8 to their 1or2) other then that it was even all day. good luck to anyone playing on Hanson. had never seen the bloke play before and he would have to have the best hands in close to the whole saafl. bloke is a freak.
our FB is a big strong lad who rarely gets beaten and hanson had him on toast.

[teaoby]

Top End, yeah, perhaps it does sound harsh against the ruck and roo, but my point was that their forward line needs these pinch hitters. Roo won't be there every game, they could easily fall out when he is off with other duties. And yes, the ruckman has been great, so the fact the forward line needs to take him for 15 mins or so in the third qtr to get a winning score on the board hurts them. It would be better if he could stay in the ruck and continue to dominate there.

PAOC and Iggies would be the final I want to see.

on the other hand though if your relying on 3-4 players to kick a winning score you wont win many. i think our biggest up side is we have these type of blokes who give a different look and make a bad match up of the opposition.
surely being able to rest your ruckman in a FP and kicking a couple is a good thing. because i dont know any ruckman that can ruck a whole game and be effective for a full 4 quaters.

[comeon]

Can anyone tell me if Dallas Pitt is playing at Smosh and if he is how is he going

[sheeds]

I went to Para Hills yesterday on my way back from Wallaroo hoping to see Roo play but in the end wasn't disappointed he didn't play because I saw a pretty good game of footy. IMO however, having multiple goalkickers is a far better option than relying on a few and PAC just had too many blokes who could lead up or take pack marks. The ruckman that went forward looked like he was playing on the wing at the time because they had another big left footer playing ruck so I'm not sure he "slutted" (whatever that means!) forward - more like he got away from his opponent to me. The #8, for whatever you think of him would be a nightmare to stand - and would require the best backman from the opposition (and he would still take marks) so that leaves all the other options to worry about. Para Hills ff & chf were good especially 1 on 1 and I was suprised to see their position on the ladder this morning - they looked better than that. I have no idea who is the best team in the div because I don't follow it closely but those 2 teams played a good style of footy yesterday. Just my opinion!

[Trader]

interesting comments about us (pac). good to see some legit thoughts on here instead of meaningless dribble.

Agreed, Genuine discussion is far better.

Sheeds, agreed, #8 is a quality player and would always be hard to man up on. Would like to see him be a skilful player who takes the next step to include the little things that help the team. Just my thoughts, would be interested to hear from people that have seen more than the few games I've seen em play.

As for the wide spread of goal scorers. Is that a sign of a good side with plenty of options or a side that doesn't have anyone who can take the game by the scruff of the neck and win it off their own boot? Glass half full or half empty?
It's sorta like the argument of a player who always gets in the votes when they win, but rarely when they lose. Is he a front runner who only plays well in winning games? Or is he a match winner who gets the side over the line whenever he plays well?

[piccachu]

Agreed, Genuine discussion is far better.

Sheeds, agreed, #8 is a quality player and would always be hard to man up on. Would like to see him be a skilful player who takes the next step to include the little things that help the team. Just my thoughts, would be interested to hear from people that have seen more than the few games I've seen em play.

As for the wide spread of goal scorers. Is that a sign of a good side with plenty of options or a side that doesn't have anyone who can take the game by the scruff of the neck and win it off their own boot? Glass half full or half empty?
It's sorta like the argument of a player who always gets in the votes when they win, but rarely when they lose. Is he a front runner who only plays well in winning games? Or is he a match winner who gets the side over the line whenever he plays well?

im not 100% sure but i think it was this same bloke your talking about, clegget who pretty much single handedly beat portland earlier in the year, we were in front most of the day and this bloke kicked i think 4 goals in the least quarter(dont quote me may have been more or less) but i know he finished with 6 for the dayin the last to not only put them in front but put it out of reach.