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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby Rik E Boy » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:20 am

the wonder elephant wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:1. Voss
2. Roos
3. Williams
4. Harvey
5. Ratten
6. Worsfold
7. Thompson
8. Scott
9. Hardwick
10. Knights
11. Eade
12. Malthouse
13. Craig
14. Lyon
15. Clarkson
16. Bailey

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how many flags did rocket eade win with the mighty hawks during there golden days ? would think he would rate higher than matty knights at least :roll:


Would you like to explain why that comment requires the :roll: emoticon? Hawthorn were clearly a better side than Knight's Richmond but perhaps I remember more good games from Knights than I did from Eade who whilist solid for a better side, didn't stand out as much for me as much as Knights did.

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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby Rik E Boy » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:23 am

white line fever wrote:I didn't realize I had to know the history of playing of the coaching staff to be supporter?
Go crows!!


Well said fever. It is well known that it is not a pre-requisite for fans of football corporations to know the history of the game.

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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby the wonder elephant » Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:26 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
the wonder elephant wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:1. Voss
2. Roos
3. Williams
4. Harvey
5. Ratten
6. Worsfold
7. Thompson
8. Scott
9. Hardwick
10. Knights
11. Eade
12. Malthouse
13. Craig
14. Lyon
15. Clarkson
16. Bailey

regards,

REB

how many flags did rocket eade win with the mighty hawks during there golden days ? would think he would rate higher than matty knights at least :roll:


Would you like to explain why that comment requires the :roll: emoticon? Hawthorn were clearly a better side than Knight's Richmond but perhaps I remember more good games from Knights than I did from Eade who whilist solid for a better side, didn't stand out as much for me as much as Knights did.

regards,

REB

sorry mate just didnt really rate knights as a player or as a coach . Just personal opinion i guess
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby White Line Fever » Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:51 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
white line fever wrote:I didn't realize I had to know the history of playing of the coaching staff to be supporter?
Go crows!!


Well said fever. It is well known that it is not a pre-requisite for fans of football corporations to know the history of the game.

regards,

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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby jointman » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:14 pm

thompson would have to be number 1...premierships with bombers and may have even been a captain the club when they won a premiership...and 2 out of 3 flags as a coach!!!!!
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby Mr Beefy » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:32 am

I'm getting a bit over players' ability getting inflated because they played in a premiership team. They may have contributed to a premiership but that alone does not make them better than an absolute gun playing in a team that came runner up.
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby Wedgie » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:00 pm

I'd rate Craig very close to the top on his Norwood/Sturt/State career.
Mind you he was hopeless at North by the time he arrived in the late 80s but he was getting on.
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby JK » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:02 pm

Mr Beefy wrote:I'm getting a bit over players' ability getting inflated because they played in a premiership team. They may have contributed to a premiership but that alone does not make them better than an absolute gun playing in a team that came runner up.


The voice of reason .. One of my pet hates.

People often throw up the Aaron Keating example, but perhaps look at the following year and a bloke by the name of James Thiessen - Had a solid year and played exceptionally well in the GF, but was he a better player than say a Matthew Liptak or Darrel Hart?

Was Kane Johnson a better player than a number who didn't win a flag or 2?
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby CoverKing » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:03 pm

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Mr Beefy wrote:I'm getting a bit over players' ability getting inflated because they played in a premiership team. They may have contributed to a premiership but that alone does not make them better than an absolute gun playing in a team that came runner up.


The voice of reason .. One of my pet hates.

People often throw up the Aaron Keating example, but perhaps look at the following year and a bloke by the name of James Thiessen - Had a solid year and played exceptionally well in the GF, but was he a better player than say a Matthew Liptak or Darrel Hart?

Was Kane Johnson a better player than a number who didn't win a flag or 2?


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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby JK » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:09 pm

CoverKing wrote:
Constance_Perm wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:I'm getting a bit over players' ability getting inflated because they played in a premiership team. They may have contributed to a premiership but that alone does not make them better than an absolute gun playing in a team that came runner up.


The voice of reason .. One of my pet hates.

People often throw up the Aaron Keating example, but perhaps look at the following year and a bloke by the name of James Thiessen - Had a solid year and played exceptionally well in the GF, but was he a better player than say a Matthew Liptak or Darrel Hart?

Was Kane Johnson a better player than a number who didn't win a flag or 2?


Was captain of the greatest club of all time ;) :lol:


LOL Does he gain or lose points for that one? ;) (lol sorry mate j/k)
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby Booney » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:12 pm

Wedgie wrote:I'd rate Craig very close to the top on his Norwood/Sturt/State career.
Mind you he was hopeless at North by the time he arrived in the late 80s but he was getting on.


Cheers, I know more about Craig's career than I do about Malthouse and Lyon and that's why I rate him more highly.
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby Wedgie » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:36 pm

Yeah Craigy was an exceptional player in his heyday in a comp that was almost on a par with the then VFL IMHO. People don't realise similarly to McIntosh Craig was approached by VFL clubs but remained loyal to the SANFL.
I think you did a pretty good job of the ratings Booney, I originally thought Williams might be a bit high but then I remembered back to some of the things I read a long time ago in the book that detailed his career and he was an exceptional player too in many aspects.
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby Trader » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:33 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:1. Voss
2. Roos
3. Williams
4. Harvey
5. Ratten
6. Worsfold
7. Thompson
8. Scott
9. Hardwick
10. Knights
11. Eade
12. Malthouse
13. Craig
14. Lyon
15. Clarkson
16. Bailey


Fairly good list there, would have something quite similar myself.
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby JK » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:39 pm

1. Voss
2. Roos
3. Ratten
4. Thompson
5. Harvey
6. Worsfold
7. Williams
8. Scott
9. Hardwick
10. Eade
11. Malthouse
12. Knights
13. Lyon
14. Craig
15. Clarkson
16. Bailey
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby Benchwarmer » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:10 pm

As coaches:
Thompson
Roos
Eade
Voss
Ratten
Harvey (must make finals this year and do something)
Malthouse (glad to see 'chuckles go)
Craig (on borrowed time?)
Williams
Lyon (all that cattle making him look good)
Clarkson (a lucky premiership coach)
Worsfold (somehow given the green light for next year - most people here wonder how)
Bailey (starting to prove his worth)
Scott
Knights
Hardwick (needs better cattle I must admit)

As players:
Voss (very skilled)
Roos (polished defender)
Ratten (underrated but very consistent)
Worsfold (tough)
Williams (dependable)
Thompson (reliable back pocket)
Harvey (overrated but good)
Craig (heard many good things about him)
Scott (tough but not in the class of others)
Eade (dependable in a very good side)
Hardwick (others were better)
Knights (had a knack of going missing)
Malthouse (as bad as he is as a coach)
Lyon (good reserves player)
Clarkson (thug who can't apologise - ask Ian Aitken - 23 years since little man broke his jaw and he still hasn't had the guts to say sorry)
Bailey (not even a blip on a radar - i used to mistake him for doug bailey the essendon player early on)
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Re: Rate the coaches

Postby tatts » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:15 pm

Benchwarmer wrote:As coaches:
Thompson
Roos
Eade
Voss
Ratten
Harvey (must make finals this year and do something)
Malthouse (glad to see 'chuckles go)
Craig (on borrowed time?)
Williams
Lyon (all that cattle making him look good)
Clarkson (a lucky premiership coach)
Worsfold (somehow given the green light for next year - most people here wonder how)
Bailey (starting to prove his worth)
Scott
Knights
Hardwick (needs better cattle I must admit)

As players:
Voss (very skilled)
Roos (polished defender)
Ratten (underrated but very consistent)
Worsfold (tough)
Williams (dependable)
Thompson (reliable back pocket)
Harvey (overrated but good)
Craig (heard many good things about him)
Scott (tough but not in the class of others)
Eade (dependable in a very good side)
Hardwick (others were better)
Knights (had a knack of going missing)
Malthouse (as bad as he is as a coach)
Lyon (good reserves player)
Clarkson (thug who can't apologise - ask Ian Aitken - 23 years since little man broke his jaw and he still hasn't had the guts to say sorry)
Bailey (not even a blip on a radar - i used to mistake him for doug bailey the essendon player early on)

Well here goes

1/ Thompson - very good coach,has kept reinventing himself and team
2/ Malthouse - ruthless and passionate,made West Coast and now Collingwood very competitive
3/ Roos - his players play for him,gets the best out of every player under him
4/ Harvey - has stuck to his beliefs and now getting some rewards,not easy coaching this basket case club
5/ Voss - big call but think he is doing well considering no asst role first
6/ Williams - great coach but has the message worn of after 10 years at the Power ?
7/ Clarkson - young coach and you dont get lucky winning a premiership,tactically very good
8/ Ratten - Agree,consistant results but dont think he can take Carlton to the flag
9/ Eade - Old school coaching methods with modern tactics,needs a flag to move up the list,lot of years coaching without a flag
10/ Worsfold - articulate caoch,but struggling now,maybe time for the Eagles to move on,
10a/ Bailey - tough job,maybe should be higher as he is doing pretty well and Melbourne on the way up
11/ Scott - to early to tell i think but like the way he has his team playing reckon would be a honest coach
12/ Hardwick - as above
13/ Craig - time to move on for the Crows,great asst coach just ask Blighty
14 Lyon - just dosnt inspire me when he speaks,nice guys finish last i think
15/Knights - not sure why but think he is in over his head

This is not easy to do,think all Head Coaches of AFL Teams have something to offer and to sit here and judge is hard but opinions are good to hear and give us couch coaches something to talk about
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