how do you rate your clubs selections

[JK]

Theres a few people on some other sites that have basically written Sellar in as definately becoming the Crows greatest CHF of all time.

He was awesome in taht first match and he proved he can play up forward. But, he didnt sustain it and that performance was more 'flash in the pan' than a consistent performance which was replicated throughout the year. Im not saying thats a bad thing. I dont expect 17 year olds to kick 50 goals a year.

The things I like about Sellar:
Athletically he is very appealing. Huge leap, great kick, decent mark, awesome endurance. He is a great athletic package.

Things I dont like:
They are things that have put me off him and made me glad we didnt take him at #5. Ive never seen him look intense in a game before. He always looks rather coy out on the field. He doesnt seem to command the football and make his teammates go 'hey, we have to kick it to James because we know he'll win it'. Personally I dont think intensity is something that can be taught into footballers. I saw a couple times this year that when the going got a bit tough, James went missing. Once in the seniors and once in the reserves.

Another thing is the fact that he was a junior ruckman that now has to come good as a CHF. His 'possible no.1 draft pick' rating was from his rucking prowess in the juniors. That cant be disputed. The game at Glenelg he was clearly BOG playing reserves as the no.1 ruck. Many players in the past havent grown as expected and have had to play as a KPP when theyve rucked all their junior careers. Some have done ok, others have seriously struggled.

At the moment im 50/50 about whether he has the forward instincts and intensity that make a stand out, match winning, All Australian CHF. The Crows and Glenelg will give him every chance to develop as a key forward. I think personally I see him more as a FF than a CHF. Whether he can deal with more attention from better and stronger defenders playing as the go to player in attack will be something to keep an eye on over the next 12-18 months.

Excellent wrap there Macca, agree with all of that ... FWIW, I reakon the Crows have scored a bargain in Seller (and Tippett according to reports), I was ultra impressed with his performance in Round 1 this year and whilst that guarantee's nothing, I am certain he has the ability.

As we all know, with the draft not being an exact science every draftee has the opportunity to succeed or fail and father time will tell who made the better selections.

[Footy Chick]

Sellar doesn't deserve the hype that he has recieved. Get over it.
Water boys and trainers aren't the most important people at football clubs. Get over it.

None of those kids deserve they hype they get...most of them are 17 FFS!

As for your trainer quip.... grrrrrrrrrrr

[Peter Falconia]

Maybe Peter Falconia can list his sporting achievements here...

One football achievement I didn't make was Gaza D grade...........unfortunately.

[Punk Rooster]

Maybe Peter Falconia can list his sporting achievements here...

One football achievement I didn't make was Gaza D grade...........unfortunately.

so you haven't achieved ANYTHING at all...

[mighty_tiger_79]

James Sellar - well depending on who you listen too on here his career could take two roads, the first he could be a steal at pick 14, be a 15 year career player at the canaries and play close to 300 games and do it all in the AFL.

the otherhand is that the Crows have totally **** up again by wasting pick 14 on a 17yr old who has played only 2 good games of footy and apparently only lucky to be making the ressies.

my personal opinion of what I have seen of him this year, and i have seen him play all bar 1 week at Glenelg. The kid has talent and ability and can tear a game open and can me a match winner, the kid can play in various positions on the ground.
he has good mobility and skills for a tall.

the kid can only get better as he gets older and his game develops.

Gibbs one of the hyped no.1 draft picks in recent history may prove to be a dud at AFL level, highly unlikely but anything is possible.

the Draft is the AFL CLUBS way of punting, they are punting on their picks giving them what they are looking for, the crows at pick 14 saw sellar and thought he could give them something they are looking for.

im not sure who it was, but too say that Sellar was lucky to be playing ressies is really quite amusing.

[Wedgie]

James Sellar - well depending on who you listen too on here his career could take two roads, the first he could be a steal at pick 14, be a 15 year career player at the canaries and play close to 300 games and do it all in the AFL.

Woodville West Torrens are in the AFL??
Never heard the Crows called the canaries, its not as though they have a guernsey that is predominately yellow?

[mighty_tiger_79]

James Sellar - well depending on who you listen too on here his career could take two roads, the first he could be a steal at pick 14, be a 15 year career player at the canaries and play close to 300 games and do it all in the AFL.

Woodville West Torrens are in the AFL??
Never heard the Crows called the canaries, its not as though they have a guernsey that is predominately yellow?

sorry budgies, lollipops, cows, chardonnay set

whatever you wanna call them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Macca19]

Interesting post Macca, however this is what I took from it.

Positives: Could well become an elite CHF.

Negatives: Port didn’t take him, let’s think of everything under the sun to discredit him.

Meh, if you want to take it that way then thats fine. If you care to search my posts on here and bigfooty then you would have seen ive put forth the same queries over his KPP future numerous times, as have many other people.

I also stated numerous times that I did not want Port to pick him at 5.

But if you want to take my reasoning as me having a whinge over the Crows picking a player that I didnt want Port to pick anyway then thats your prerogative.

fwiw, like Tassie, I think his best position is as a wing in a Dean Cox minus the rucking type role, or at FF.

[sydney-dog]

many may think he is suited to a wing it may happen early in his career but there is no hidding the fact the crows have recruited for the purpose of a long term key forward, only time will tell if he will make a fist os this role

[sydney-dog]

Crows web-site listed the following number allocations

Nick Gill, #1
Previously worn by Greg Anderson, Romano Negri, Ashley Fernee, Lucas Herbert and Andrew Crowell.

James Sellar, #29
Previously worn by Anthony Ingerson, Brent Williams and James Thiessen.

Bryce Campbell #31
Matthew Kluzek, Tom Gilligan and Ben Marsh.

Kurt Tippett # 4
Previously worn by M Clarke

David Mackay will be No 14.
Previously worn by Skipworth, Alan Bartlett, Stuart Wigney and Matthew Connell

lets hope that each of these boys carve out a better career then most of the previous group that shared the same number

except for Ingo of course

[am Bays]

Barty has by far been the best #14.....

[sydney-dog]

1980 Tassie Medalist

i still can believe Matt Connell won a club B&F, how bad were the crows going in those Robert Shaw years

[am Bays]

MAte, wasn't just the coach, some selfish players too back then who would play for themselves, handpass, run, demand it back, run, dummy, blind turn hand pass kick it to player out of position, turnover back the other end for a goal........

Several players would still rack up the stats but at the end of the day another loss....but hey at least they looked good in the 'Tiser with 10 kicks and 20 handpasses.......

Thank Christ there was a clean out at the end of '96

[sydney-dog]

1980 Tassie Medalist

some of these players made the crows team of the decade, even more stagering, their are still members of the football public that still criticise the club for letting these players go, even though the club followed with two premierships

[dash61]

I'd rate Port's drafting only as average. Boak could be a star, but i think we took Stewart early at 23. Krakouer is highly rated, but sounds like hes 2 to 3 years off an AFL game as far as body size is concerned, same with Westhoff. Couple of medium sized forwards at the end sound like reasonable pick ups, and Rodan prob not such a gamble given that he was taken in the 80's. Would have liked to have seen a genuine KPP player in there somewhere, but presumably the club rates the current stock high enough. I guess we'll all only know in about 3 years or so.

My grade C+

Spot On GWW

[haloman]

1980 Tassie Medalist

i still can believe Matt Connell won a club B&F, how bad were the crows going in those Robert Shaw years

Plenty is said about Shaw's lack of coaching ability, most of it spot on. What the man could do was identify good young talent. Many of the young Crows from his day went on to be priemership players under Blighty. Remember Blighty just sacked the guys Shaw didn't have the balls to sack. Recruiting manager have a big say in that of course but the senior coach always makes the final decision on players recruited. His roll at Essendon was exactly that. Interesting that when that was removed from his job description at Essendon he took off to Freo. Where are the bombers now? Connell tho eaisly the worst B&F in Crows history.

[sydney-dog]

To be honest it is hard to see where port is heading with their list, at present they do not seem to be overly strong in any particular area

prior to the draft having a look at their list, my personal assessment was they probably got more young talent coming through in their wing / midfield positions

Most importantly down back they seem to be a bit thin for talls, Bishop was de-listed, and Wakelin must be in his final year, then up forward, Tredders is coming off an injury wrecked season.

Taking in to account Port have a couple of young talls such as Willits and Pettigrew pushing through, I really did believe they would shoot for a tall with their first selection

By all reports Boak will be a very good footballer, but I am not convinced they have addressed their needs for the next 2-3 seasons and I must admit Stewart's selection at pick 23 was puzzling considering the talent still available in the draft pool.

In regards to Westhoff I know the club has come out and described his selection as project player, but I would of thought he would of been more suited to a rookie selection

I am not sure what to think of the Rodan selection

Difficult to grade drafts for each club at this stage, but my gut feel is this draft may come back to bite the club

[Jimmy]

Crows web-site listed the following number allocations

Nick Gill, #1
Previously worn by Greg Anderson, Romano Negri, Ashley Fernee, Lucas Herbert and Andrew Crowell.

James Sellar, #29
Previously worn by Anthony Ingerson, Brent Williams and James Thiessen.

Bryce Campbell #31
Matthew Kluzek, Tom Gilligan and Ben Marsh.

Kurt Tippett # 4
Previously worn by M Clarke

David Mackay will be No 14.
Previously worn by Skipworth, Alan Bartlett, Stuart Wigney and Matthew Connell

lets hope that each of these boys carve out a better career then most of the previous group that shared the same number

except for Ingo of course

who the hell were these players??? i just barely remember ashley fernees name but thats it....tom gilligan was a flat out dud. where are these guys now?

[Macca19]

To be honest it is hard to see where port is heading with their list, at present they do not seem to be overly strong in any particular area

prior to the draft having a look at their list, my personal assessment was they probably got more young talent coming through in their wing / midfield positions

Most importantly down back they seem to be a bit thin for talls, Bishop was de-listed, and Wakelin must be in his final year, then up forward, Tredders is coming off an injury wrecked season.

Taking in to account Port have a couple of young talls such as Willits and Pettigrew pushing through, I really did believe they would shoot for a tall with their first selection

By all reports Boak will be a very good footballer, but I am not convinced they have addressed their needs for the next 2-3 seasons and I must admit Stewart's selection at pick 23 was puzzling considering the talent still available in the draft pool.

In regards to Westhoff I know the club has come out and described his selection as project player, but I would of thought he would of been more suited to a rookie selection

I am not sure what to think of the Rodan selection

Difficult to grade drafts for each club at this stage, but my gut feel is this draft may come back to bite the club

If you look at it, our delist ratio was something like 7 smalls and 2 talls. We needed to build back up on our talls.

It was considered that we did need a gun KPP in the KPP heavy draft but thems the breaks.

Im happy with Boak. If he turns out as good as he's been rated then in 5-6 years time people wont be saying we made a mistake.

Over the past two years weve generally been thrashed by super quick sides. We cant keep up because we arent fit enough or quick enough. We drafted for pace and we succeeded in doing that. Boak, Krakouer and Gray are all rated as being very quick.

The drafting of Krakouer and Gray mean that Ebert and Pearce can now develop into proper midfielders whilst those two develop in our forward line over the next couple of seasons.

As for Rodan. He was the last pick in the draft. How many pick 83s have made it in the past 6-7 years? I would think not that many. Is it a worse pick compared to drafting an 18 year old kid in the 80s who most likely wont even get close to getting a game? It could come off. if it doesnt, weve wasted the last pick of a draft - whoopee!!

Regarding talls - this isnt the last draft in history. We havent misseed the boat forever. Strangely enough there is another draft next year, and the year after, and im sure there will be very good tall options in those drafts, just like every other draft.

If Tredrea goes down again next year, a 17 year old under developed Thorp/Sellar is not going to save our season anyway.

With clubs loading on talls this year, it may just leave us to take one of the better talls next year.

Overall id rate our drafting a 6.5 / 10

[GWW]

Yes i think youre about right with that rating Macca19. The X factor is Paul Stewart. If his flexibility becomes a major advantage for the side it will be a huge bonus, but if he struggle with his transition to the next level, many footy followers will claim it was a wasted pick. I think the thing was that although the casual SANFL follower had heard of him, it wasn't known how highly regarded he was by talent scouts, particularly here in Adelaide. He sort of came from nowhere, and being 19, when thinking back to last couple of years when he would have been eligible to be drafted there was zero mention of him as a draft candidate. I was shocked to hear him taken in 2nd round, but a lot of people on footy forums have mentioned a lot of positives about him - his flexibility, athleticism etc. It was noted somewhere that he picked up 35 touches from CHB last year, which indicates a big future. But whether or not hes tall enough at 190cm to play in key position in the AFL is uncertain. He sounds like he could become a Kouta type player (not saying he'll be as good), mainly a midfielder, but could just about play anywhere on the ground depending on needs of the side.