how do you rate your clubs selections

[NFC]

Peter Falconia

the kid is 17, playing senior footy at SANFL, what are your expectations, a club B&F, Magarey medal, 80% of the boys selected in this draft as still playing in their own age group, so it is hard to compare apples to apples

give the kid a break

Exactly. Most 17 year olds are playing in the underage comps, reserves at best. Seller has played seniors and kicked 4 goals in a half. Just because he couldn't keep up the great form does not mean he isn't a special talent.

People have such unrealistic expectations.

[am Bays]

I haven't been to impressed with what I have seen of Sellar. Lot of hype, without the performance.

Well he did carry the rucks for us against North in the 1st game against North at the Bay, and won the taps so convincingly that Bamford et al where able to run away with it

However due to illness he lost form in the 2nd half of the season and dropped away. One of the reasons why he found it hard through the last half of the season was that clubs started putting their better defender on him becasue he started the season off so well kicking four goals agaisnt Norwood. They knew they coldn't allow him time and space to run and jump at the ball. James being so relatively raw and new to the game (has basically on played it seriously for the last 3 years) he hasn't learnt the skills for plan B, C & D when you're natural game doesn't work. Christ I've seen 26 year old league Footballers struggle when there natural game is taken away from them let alone a 16 year old

The Cons for James are that his form fell away and doubts over his natural competitive desire to fight when it gets a bit hard in the heat of battle.

The pros are his obvious ability when he does get it right as he showed in the first five games this year and his great physical abilities (he has height, speed, power (vertical leap) and endurance) the key physical abilities for the prototype modern footballer (Adam Goodes).

With the modern game moving towards a create space kick it to a tall athletic type who can carry the ball forward and deliver it into the forwards or off load it to the designated kicker for delivery into the forward line (Goodes, Cox, Sandilands, Brown (when he plays in the middle) and Hird (two years ago)) Sellar has the potential to develop into the type of player for Adelaide a la Burton ATM but with the obvious advantage of height of Burton thereby potentially adding to Adelaides midfield. His height allows him to rest in the forward line and be the 3rd or 4th option.

Howerer Pete, you being a Sydney supporter and relatively new to this game of Australian football or AFL as you Sydney supporters call it, you probably are not that au fait with the tactical trends developing in australian Footballer and why a player like Sellar is a good pick up at #14.

[Peter Falconia]

Thought Sellar was lucky to be making the ressies in the end.

[Peter Falconia]

Howerer Pete, you being a Sydney supporter and relatively new to this game of Australian football or AFL as you Sydney supporters call it, you probably are not that au fait with the tactical trends developing in australian Footballer and why a player like Sellar is a good pick up at #14.

And you are a horse faced, Cow supporting, believe anything the media prints type. So all up, Sellar played two decent games of footy for the year. I can see why he would be worth a first round pick.

Maybe he might make a good swimmer?

[am Bays]

Howerer Pete, you being a Sydney supporter and relatively new to this game of Australian football or AFL as you Sydney supporters call it, you probably are not that au fait with the tactical trends developing in australian Footballer and why a player like Sellar is a good pick up at #14.

And you are a horse faced, Cow supporting, believe anything the media prints type. So all up, Sellar played two decent games of footy for the year. I can see why he would be worth a first round pick.

Maybe he might make a good swimmer?

Once again Pete you love to jump to conclusions, prey do tell where have mentioned the print media in any of my statements? My opinions on him are based on respected posters (Macca19) on this site:

http://safootycentral.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1608&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100

and based on what I saw with my own eyes,

Plus, I've mentioned his cons, so I know he is not the be all and end all recruit who is the panacea to all of Adelaide's problems. His cons BTW are remarkably similar to Goodes, and having dealt with players of his ilk was one of the major concerns of over him when he went at pick 38 in 1997 when he should have gone higher given his undoubted potential.

Thanks for the horse refence sure sign that you have no idea and have no ability or factual knowledge of this game to rebut my arguments when you ahve to personally attack me rather than trying to mount a plausible argument.

Do us a favour go learn about this great game go and volunteer your services as a trainer at North Adelaide, christ know's you need the footy education......

PS living in victoria I get my print media views from The Age not The Advertiser like you do.....

[am Bays]

getting back on track...

As I and you intimated Pete, Sellar may turn out to be a dud like half of the first round picks throughout the history of the draft, he may also turn out to be a relative steal, 2010 All Australian gun at pick 14.....

I don't think Adelaide will see his best though until 2009 as he is a project player having turned to Footy from Volleyball in the last 3 years, hence why those who don't follow footy closely may think he's a dud....

My money is on the fact he will turn out to be good serviceable player 100 + game player who is unlikely to be as good as Gumbleton and Hanson but should still play good AFL footy in a variety of postions*.

Time will tell who is right....

[Peter Falconia]

Love the way you assume that I know nothing about football. You know nothing about what I have done in football, as unlike yourself I don't tell everyone my involvement in sport ad nauseam. Once again, Tassie, you start having a personal go at posters, Aerie and myself, then when someone has ago back, you get on ya high horse. There are one or two psters on this site, that if anyones opinion differs from theirs, it results in having to defend yourself for 20 posts.

Swimmers, tennis players and runners are overrated. Get over it.

Sellar doesn't deserve the hype that he has recieved. Get over it.

Water boys and trainers aren't the most important people at football clubs. Get over it.

[sydney-dog]

Peter Falconia, your comment "Sellar doesn't deserve the hype that he has received. Get over it."

I would argue, does any of the top 30 draftee deserve the hype, none of them have achieved anything in their football career's just yet

with comments like these your not doing yourself any favors in gaining any sort of creditability on this particular thread

in support of 1980TM, TM has provided us his opinion on Sellar's strength's, his flaw's, what may of affected his form this year and finally what type of player he may or may not develop in too at AFL level, these opinions have been based on his first hand observations, while your post do seem a little one dimension based on this kid playing ressie's footy at the end of this year

[am Bays]

Sorry Pete, I won't be changing how I post and I don't imagine you will either.

If my post annoy you because I draw on my past experiences in an attempt to substantiate what I have posted or to provide evidence to back them up I'm so sorry. As Wedgie has sledge me in the past I often use 20 lines instead of one, so what, that is my style and I'm sticking to it.

Also if I see something i disagree with i will say so and more often draw on what I believe to be facts and evidence to substantiate my statements, and nowhere have I said that my statements have a devine right to taken as gospel

I just don't believe, on the whole becasue I know I've done it on a few occasions, believe in making unsubstantiated sweeping generalisations such as:

Swimmers, tennis players and runners are overrated. Get over it.

Sellar doesn't deserve the hype that he has recieved. Get over it.

Water boys and trainers aren't the most important people at football clubs. Get over it.

I'd love for you to find previous posts of mine where I have made definitive statements where I have said:

All Swimmers, tennis players and runners are underrated.

Sellar does deserve the hype that he has recieved.

Water boys and trainers are the most important people at football clubs.

Play on mate, we obviously have to agree to disagree.....

And yes you're right I have no idea on what you past footy experiences are, and judging by your water boy / trainers jibes you have no real idea on my footy experiences either....


Play on....

[Rik E Boy]

Swimmers, tennis players and runners are overrated. Get over it.

Sellar doesn't deserve the hype that he has recieved. Get over it.

Water boys and trainers aren't the most important people at football clubs. Get over it.

People on the net will have different opinions than yourself, get over it. How do you figure the above athletes are overrated? Do you mean by renumeration or by skill...or is it just because you don't happen to follow those sports?

regards,

REB

[Peter Falconia]

Swimmers, tennis players and runners are overrated. Get over it.

Sellar doesn't deserve the hype that he has recieved. Get over it.

Water boys and trainers aren't the most important people at football clubs. Get over it.

People on the net will have different opinions than yourself, get over it. How do you figure the above athletes are overrated? Do you mean by renumeration or by skill...or is it just because you don't happen to follow those sports?

regards,

REB

Agreed REB. It's just that some on here go over the top when someone has a different opinion to theirs. I actually don't see the point in 20 people all posting their agreement with the original poster. Makes for boring reading. As for the overrated athletes, it's lack of skill. Lung capacity and endurance aren't skills.

[Punk Rooster]

Maybe Peter Falconia can list his sporting achievements here...

[sydney-dog]

Peter Falconia

"Lung capacity and endurance aren't skills", they may not be a technical skill such as kicking, marking or handballing but some would say a skill can be technical or physical as long as it can be developed and improved through training

I would argue that even though lung capacitiy and endurance are a physical attribute, through training, you can develop, improve and increase your lung capacitiy and endurance, which can give you a significant advantage over your oponent, in this content is certainly does make it a "skill"

[Macca19]

Theres a few people on some other sites that have basically written Sellar in as definately becoming the Crows greatest CHF of all time.

He was awesome in taht first match and he proved he can play up forward. But, he didnt sustain it and that performance was more 'flash in the pan' than a consistent performance which was replicated throughout the year. Im not saying thats a bad thing. I dont expect 17 year olds to kick 50 goals a year.

The things I like about Sellar:
Athletically he is very appealing. Huge leap, great kick, decent mark, awesome endurance. He is a great athletic package.

Things I dont like:
They are things that have put me off him and made me glad we didnt take him at #5. Ive never seen him look intense in a game before. He always looks rather coy out on the field. He doesnt seem to command the football and make his teammates go 'hey, we have to kick it to James because we know he'll win it'. Personally I dont think intensity is something that can be taught into footballers. I saw a couple times this year that when the going got a bit tough, James went missing. Once in the seniors and once in the reserves.

Another thing is the fact that he was a junior ruckman that now has to come good as a CHF. His 'possible no.1 draft pick' rating was from his rucking prowess in the juniors. That cant be disputed. The game at Glenelg he was clearly BOG playing reserves as the no.1 ruck. Many players in the past havent grown as expected and have had to play as a KPP when theyve rucked all their junior careers. Some have done ok, others have seriously struggled.

At the moment im 50/50 about whether he has the forward instincts and intensity that make a stand out, match winning, All Australian CHF. The Crows and Glenelg will give him every chance to develop as a key forward. I think personally I see him more as a FF than a CHF. Whether he can deal with more attention from better and stronger defenders playing as the go to player in attack will be something to keep an eye on over the next 12-18 months.

[sydney-dog]

Macca

Good post, to those who have already made the kid all australian CHF, and to those who have already written the kid off, both verdicts are extemely premature

He has all the attributes to be a good player but needs to add desire, intensity and the hunger for a contest to make it to the elite level

The kid is only 17 and has plenty of work a head of him, his footy journey will have it's peaks and troughs but I will be a keen observer and my only advise to Sellar is his destiny is in his own hands

[am Bays]

Yep good thoughts as usual Macca, I agree there are doubts over his ability to develop into a key forward ATM. For mine his future most probably lies in a mid-field link role as a "winger" (if such a position exists today) where his natural physical abilities can be allowed to come to the fore and he can drift into the forward lines as another option.

[mal]

Howerer Pete, you being a Sydney supporter and relatively new to this game of Australian football or AFL as you Sydney supporters call it, you probably are not that au fait with the tactical trends developing in australian Footballer and why a player like Sellar is a good pick up at #14.

And you are a horse faced, Cow supporting, believe anything the media prints type. So all up, Sellar played two decent games of footy for the year. I can see why he would be worth a first round pick.

Maybe he might make a good swimmer?

Carefool PF
theres 4 people you dont argue with and WONT BEAT on this site
WEDGIE
SYDNEY DOG
1980 TASSIE MEDALLIST
and you know who the other is

As for Sellars, not many 17 year olds his size can be expected to dominate at SANFL
level, he may mature into a very good player.
His 4 goals v Norwood was impressive.

[NFC]

Interesting post Macca, however this is what I took from it.

Positives: Could well become an elite CHF.

Negatives: Port didn’t take him, let’s think of everything under the sun to discredit him.

[Booney]

David Rodan........

[Wedgie]

Carefool PF
theres 4 people you dont argue with and WONT BEAT on this site
WEDGIE
SYDNEY DOG
1980 TASSIE MEDALLIST
and you know who the other is

PF beats me in arguments all the time.
If I get Guitar Hero for the PS2 it'll be another for his side of the chalk board too.