SAAFL Div 5 & 5R (2010)

[Footy Chick]

if the points system was actually in place for 2010 rather than being trialled, can anyone work out what the value of BL and Elizabeth imports would be. Just out of interest since they have are the two clubs putting names out. I've read the document and its going to create a bit of extra admin to do all the calcs.

my view is that there will be a massive amount of moves this pre season to beat the system for at least 2011 as every player on a clubs books will be worth 0 when it comes into place as i understand it.

Just an off the top of my head thing but for the players The Lodge has recruited, it would be around 14 points whereas the 4 players going to Elizabeth from South Gawler would be 12 points.

[sprinttospace]

hmm..an all australian afl player and brownlow medallist playing in division 4..or paying some good players some coin in division 5..the bigger joke?..you tell me

i know they are quality players as my above post said but im mearly stating that i think is kind of becoming a joke (the saafl this is) that div5 teams have to resort to paying a dozen blokes to come to there club. just to have a crack at going up.

this is in no way a crack a B lodge as i have no idea about the ins and outs of that club, but more a personal view at where the comp is headed.
and on the roo thing get over it, he sponsors are club and wants a game every couple of weeks, whos going to say no!?

as i said in bold, was more a comment on the comp not the club. i think it is sad that clubs have to resort to paying blokes to play div5 or lower. f**k it div 4 for that matter.
and yeah as jimmy said, we didnt drop anyone for the GF that was taken into account. and even if the GF ment nothing too Roo which i know it does (obviously not as much as other achievments) hes one bloke from the club that will msg blokes and say "im having a beer and a punt at the pub come join." pretty sure id rather blokes like that round the club then blokes purely there for the coin.

end rant

at HIS pub i guess..there are more than one or two ways to skin a cat

i think you guys getting roo and mods to play was awesome..but dont act so high and mighty to clubs who have some spare coin to try and improve their stocks when they dont have connections like some clubs do

/end statement

are you a propellerhead zed

[mighty hounds]

Not this old chestnut

I find it always interesting when clubs talk about other clubs and how much they pay, perhaps this shows some insecurities in their own club administration coming through....

The simple answer is every club pays players in some way or another (yes even old scholar clubs), it all depends if what they pay is income generated as to how long term it remains, the fact for clubs to recruit quality players to their club sometimes requires payment, how much they get paid is up to the individual club.

The Lodge are probably a good point to look at, they recruited heavily last year, got promoted from Div 6 and from what I hear posted almost a $10,000 profit for the year, this coming of a $6,000 loss from the previous year when they hardly won a game...

If you structure it properly and have the right people involved, you make it work - simple as that.

Everyone should stop going on about it and if a club is recruiting to go as far as they can and can generate the funds to do it, then good on them, if you want your club to do it, jump on a committee.

The good thing is that the new player point system will limit clubs in how many players they can recruit so hopefully all the in-your-endo about clubs forking out millions will be finally put to rest

indeed a well roasted chestnut FC.

as for the critics getting on the commmittee to actually help generate the funds to pay players i could not agree more. it's bloody hard work and often taken for granted. we put in place player cash awards this year and then we were 'advised' by a few players that this money should go to the players we needed to keep around the place in the future. sheesh.

clubs who can afford to will pay players directly, others who can't afford it will spread it out in incentives as best they can. overall i think it is a minority of players chasing money so let them do it. too much time spent focussed on the minority.

play on.

good to see u back sprint.

what tools! i bet i could name those players who advised it.

[mighty hounds]

we always go under the salary cap when paying

these players have came to us after our decent year and we know every single recruit we haven't just recruited random players..

there not getting paid ship stations, they would be getting less from us then the previous clubs

without juniors coming through the ranks it is hard for us..

some clubs might be happy floating around in div 5, 6, or 7 but we don't, we want to play the best footy we can

how would u honestly know what players are getting paid? r u on the committee?
just admit ur club pays then everyone wont be whinging. i know one player that gets good cash there and im sure ur club is paying alot of others.

[Rusty81]

Sounds like a big year in store at Smithfield, from all reports the new coach has set the agenda and has the instant respect of the playing group. Big numbers at training and the boys are working very hard!

[sprinttospace]

Not this old chestnut

I find it always interesting when clubs talk about other clubs and how much they pay, perhaps this shows some insecurities in their own club administration coming through....

The simple answer is every club pays players in some way or another (yes even old scholar clubs), it all depends if what they pay is income generated as to how long term it remains, the fact for clubs to recruit quality players to their club sometimes requires payment, how much they get paid is up to the individual club.

The Lodge are probably a good point to look at, they recruited heavily last year, got promoted from Div 6 and from what I hear posted almost a $10,000 profit for the year, this coming of a $6,000 loss from the previous year when they hardly won a game...

If you structure it properly and have the right people involved, you make it work - simple as that.

Everyone should stop going on about it and if a club is recruiting to go as far as they can and can generate the funds to do it, then good on them, if you want your club to do it, jump on a committee.

The good thing is that the new player point system will limit clubs in how many players they can recruit so hopefully all the in-your-endo about clubs forking out millions will be finally put to rest

indeed a well roasted chestnut FC.

as for the critics getting on the commmittee to actually help generate the funds to pay players i could not agree more. it's bloody hard work and often taken for granted. we put in place player cash awards this year and then we were 'advised' by a few players that this money should go to the players we needed to keep around the place in the future. sheesh.

clubs who can afford to will pay players directly, others who can't afford it will spread it out in incentives as best they can. overall i think it is a minority of players chasing money so let them do it. too much time spent focussed on the minority.

play on.

good to see u back sprint.

what tools! i bet i could name those players who advised it.

they are not tools, it was just simply their opinion and therefore i referred to it as 'advice'. the alternate approach would not have worked for us.

as a committee we weigh up all the options and try and make the best decision for the club in the longer term. the reality was that the funds available would not spread anywhere near far enough to keep more than 1 or 2 and our belief is that it would only create other issues. it is not sustainable to pay 1 or 2 players over 60+ others. what if they leave for something better the next year, you've gained nothing.

[Lightning McQueen]

Sounds like a big year in store at Smithfield, from all reports the new coach has set the agenda and has the instant respect of the playing group. Big numbers at training and the boys are working very hard!

Yes, they worked their arses off last night and loved it. Very promising signs and there is a great buzz around the place, we'll continue to take one step at a time and not get too far ahead of ourselves. The heat hasn't scared too many away.

[Choccies]

Sounds like a big year in store at Smithfield, from all reports the new coach has set the agenda and has the instant respect of the playing group. Big numbers at training and the boys are working very hard!

Yes, they worked their arses off last night and loved it. Very promising signs and there is a great buzz around the place, we'll continue to take one step at a time and not get too far ahead of ourselves. The heat hasn't scared too many away.

THEY worked their asses off ?? Did you watch them LM ??

[Lightning McQueen]

Sounds like a big year in store at Smithfield, from all reports the new coach has set the agenda and has the instant respect of the playing group. Big numbers at training and the boys are working very hard!

Yes, they worked their arses off last night and loved it. Very promising signs and there is a great buzz around the place, we'll continue to take one step at a time and not get too far ahead of ourselves. The heat hasn't scared too many away.

THEY worked their asses off ?? Did you watch them LM ??

Na, they done a circuit inside, I was doing some weight training of my own, some arm curls.

[Choccies]

Sounds like a big year in store at Smithfield, from all reports the new coach has set the agenda and has the instant respect of the playing group. Big numbers at training and the boys are working very hard!

Yes, they worked their arses off last night and loved it. Very promising signs and there is a great buzz around the place, we'll continue to take one step at a time and not get too far ahead of ourselves. The heat hasn't scared too many away.

THEY worked their asses off ?? Did you watch them LM ??

Na, they done a circuit inside, I was doing some weight training of my own, some arm curls.

Very important to do a full workout. Nice...

[mypaddock]

Overall i think people need to move with the times. I will use an example i know.

Eastern Park Football Club.

This team was div 6 in 1997 (i believe could be 96) now 13 years later are premil finalist in div 2. Now a lot of the players there are juniors from the club, however all these junior players at the club are paid, and have been paid well over the journey. EPFC have for the last 13 years payed every player that plays A grade footy. It range from (in my time there 99 - 06) $20 demon dollars (used over the bar) to $100 cash. Now if this money was not paid would they have made it so far and had such a big junior base, we will never know. All i know is they have been very, very smart in keeping the same players to make the club stronger. They would now have the biggest junior base in the northern suburbs. All fron the a grade success. This has all come from paying those DIV 6 players that now play very successfuly at the div 2 level.


All i will say about Brahma Lodge is that we are trying to follow in the footsteps of clubs like Eastern Park. BLFC had 2 junior sides this year, next year we wont 3. There is a lot of hard work going on behind the scenes to make the junior program grow and be the next group of a grade players at BLFC. This junior program will grow from a strong and successful A grade side.

Also just want to finish by saying BLFC is still looking for quality a grade footballers for next year. As you are aware we have piles of $$$$$$$$$ avaliable. So if you are keen for a house deposit or a new car PM me and will make sure you never have to work again.


This is the end of me defending My club. Every club thinks there clubs perfect but therenot people just need to move with the times

So will unknown and yourself get a gig in the A grade next year with all these new blokes?

[EddieV]

If those two cannot get a gig in the A grade then i think im going to be spending some quality time sinking some alcoholic beverages next season because i would struggle big time to make either team.

[Groover]

If those two cannot get a gig in the A grade then i think im going to be spending some quality time sinking some alcoholic beverages next season because i would struggle big time to make either team.

dont worry we have a C grade next year

[ARTIE]

Smithfield coach has been trying to recruit alot of players with alot of people i know being asked the question.. the way he is talking there going to have 4 teams just hope they have enough money to pay for the players he is asking to go out there

[S Demon]

HOPE VALLEY Pre season training is back at the club for the next 3 Tuesdays starting on the 24th. The oval has been made available thanks to some work being done on it and the cricketers ironically training at St Pauls!!

GO YOU DEMONS

[custardarm]

hmm..an all australian afl player and brownlow medallist playing in division 4..or paying some good players some coin in division 5..the bigger joke?..you tell me

Best reply I have seen in a while..

I'm sure the premiership last year meant the world to him, unlike the guy that took his spot who just had to watch...

errrrrr - we were all allowed an extra bench for the GF plus the full back broke his hand the previous week so there were 2 extra spots up for grabs. With 3 teams in the GF, your comment looks even sillier - Maybe practice what you preach (a bit of research ) browny

Find me a PAOC player who has a gripe....I cant find one and isn't that all that matters?

sorry jimmy but my research shows me that u get an extra bench for all finals so yes someone had to be dropped for someone to come in

[Jimmy_041]

Yes, but he was talking about the GF - If you want to go back a step, Roo didn't play the first 2 finals but we lost Waltham (FF) and Noonan (CHB) for the Preliminary Final and so he played (ie) he replaced an injured forward anyway. We then lost Jones (FB) with a broken hand for the GF. Waltham came back in for the GF and played with broken ribs - feel sorry for the guy he replaced?

This entire argument is crap anyway - So you feel sorry for the bloke that got left out -would you have left the best player out of the GF coz you felt sorry for the bloke that got dropped? "We lost the GF but we feel really good because Johnny didn't get emotionally traumatized" - Yea right - get yer hand off it. Biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

Roo's situation is totally different to that of Bassett (and Modra). He did pre-season and trained most weeks even when he couldn't play.. He was part of the A Grade squad and played far more than the required 4 games Everyone at PAOC knew the situation and I am still yet to hear anyone complain other than the opposition and on here. If we had played Modra in the finals, maybe you'd have a point, but we didn't.

As for CBC - if they weren't the outstanding team all year and thought they would win it without Jarman playing; he would have played this year. Three times both premiership player and All Australian + AFL Hall of Fame.

Anyone remember this:



As for where this all started - I agree with you blokes - if it takes a bit of coin to get a couple of good players to help you up, then so be it. The problem is managing those who dont get paid and then get offered money to go elsewhere

[unknown source]

we always go under the salary cap when paying

these players have came to us after our decent year and we know every single recruit we haven't just recruited random players..

there not getting paid ship stations, they would be getting less from us then the previous clubs

without juniors coming through the ranks it is hard for us..

some clubs might be happy floating around in div 5, 6, or 7 but we don't, we want to play the best footy we can

how would u honestly know what players are getting paid? r u on the committee?
just admit ur club pays then everyone wont be whinging. i know one player that gets good cash there and im sure ur club is paying alot of others.

care to read again

[unknown source]

Overall i think people need to move with the times. I will use an example i know.

Eastern Park Football Club.

This team was div 6 in 1997 (i believe could be 96) now 13 years later are premil finalist in div 2. Now a lot of the players there are juniors from the club, however all these junior players at the club are paid, and have been paid well over the journey. EPFC have for the last 13 years payed every player that plays A grade footy. It range from (in my time there 99 - 06) $20 demon dollars (used over the bar) to $100 cash. Now if this money was not paid would they have made it so far and had such a big junior base, we will never know. All i know is they have been very, very smart in keeping the same players to make the club stronger. They would now have the biggest junior base in the northern suburbs. All fron the a grade success. This has all come from paying those DIV 6 players that now play very successfuly at the div 2 level.


All i will say about Brahma Lodge is that we are trying to follow in the footsteps of clubs like Eastern Park. BLFC had 2 junior sides this year, next year we wont 3. There is a lot of hard work going on behind the scenes to make the junior program grow and be the next group of a grade players at BLFC. This junior program will grow from a strong and successful A grade side.

Also just want to finish by saying BLFC is still looking for quality a grade footballers for next year. As you are aware we have piles of $$$$$$$$$ avaliable. So if you are keen for a house deposit or a new car PM me and will make sure you never have to work again.


This is the end of me defending My club. Every club thinks there clubs perfect but therenot people just need to move with the times

So will unknown and yourself get a gig in the A grade next year with all these new blokes?

come stand me next year and ask me again or will you be too busy on the sidelines spectating and bagging players from the top tier of the lovely hounds oval.

[unknown source]

Overall i think people need to move with the times. I will use an example i know.

Eastern Park Football Club.

This team was div 6 in 1997 (i believe could be 96) now 13 years later are premil finalist in div 2. Now a lot of the players there are juniors from the club, however all these junior players at the club are paid, and have been paid well over the journey. EPFC have for the last 13 years payed every player that plays A grade footy. It range from (in my time there 99 - 06) $20 demon dollars (used over the bar) to $100 cash. Now if this money was not paid would they have made it so far and had such a big junior base, we will never know. All i know is they have been very, very smart in keeping the same players to make the club stronger. They would now have the biggest junior base in the northern suburbs. All fron the a grade success. This has all come from paying those DIV 6 players that now play very successfuly at the div 2 level.


All i will say about Brahma Lodge is that we are trying to follow in the footsteps of clubs like Eastern Park. BLFC had 2 junior sides this year, next year we wont 3. There is a lot of hard work going on behind the scenes to make the junior program grow and be the next group of a grade players at BLFC. This junior program will grow from a strong and successful A grade side.

Also just want to finish by saying BLFC is still looking for quality a grade footballers for next year. As you are aware we have piles of $$$$$$$$$ avaliable. So if you are keen for a house deposit or a new car PM me and will make sure you never have to work again.


This is the end of me defending My club. Every club thinks there clubs perfect but therenot people just need to move with the times

So will unknown and yourself get a gig in the A grade next year with all these new blokes?

come stand me next year and ask me again or will you be too busy on the sidelines spectating and bagging players from the top tier of the lovely hounds oval.

at 2.15 by the way paddock