All time AFL/VFL Ladder

[Squawk]

1997 onwards is interesting - (the year Port was admitted):

All Time Ladder # Team From To Pl W L D PF PA Score % Win %
1 Geelong 1997 2009 296 172 121 3 28808 26093 110.41 58.61
2 Bris Lions 1997 2009 301 168 128 5 30509 27387 111.40 56.64
3 Adelaide 1997 2009 303 171 132 0 28787 25971 110.84 56.44
4 Port Adel 1997 2009 299 165 130 4 28548 27470 103.92 55.85
5 Sydney 1997 2009 301 164 134 3 28359 26012 109.02 54.98
6 Essendon 1997 2009 297 160 135 2 30061 28481 105.55 54.21
7 Nth Melb/Kangaroos 1997 2009 300 160 137 3 29214 29443 99.22 53.83
8 St Kilda 1997 2009 296 151 142 3 28011 27561 101.63 51.52
9 W Bulldogs 1997 2009 294 147 142 5 30059 30021 100.13 50.85
10 West Coast 1997 2009 299 149 147 3 27563 27979 98.51 50.33
11 Hawthorn 1997 2009 292 137 154 1 26553 27680 95.93 47.09
12 Collingwood 1997 2009 294 138 156 0 28015 27743 100.98 46.94
13 Melbourne 1997 2009 294 121 172 1 26687 29937 89.14 41.33
14 Richmond 1997 2009 285 116 166 3 25251 28656 88.12 41.23
15 Fremantle 1997 2009 286 113 173 0 25104 28295 88.72 39.51
16 Carlton 1997 2009 291 113 176 2 27213 30013 90.67 39.18

[Adelaide Hawk]

It's a false table, too many intangibles not being factored into it. For a start, Hawthorn, Footscray and North Melbourne were entered into the competition in 1925, were given no assistance whatsoever, and it took the best part of 30 years or longer before those clubs became strong.

Several clubs ahead of them (clubs admitted to the competition since 1987) were given a lot of assistance in order for them to be "instantly" competitive (some more than others).

As a Hawks supporter, how about showing a ladder from 1971 to current, that would tell a different story.

1 Hawthorn 1971 2009 910 549 358 3 94937 83863 113.20 60.49
2 Carlton 1971 2009 906 514 383 9 91657 84963 107.88 57.23
3 Bris Lions 1997 2009 301 168 128 5 30509 27387 111.40 56.64
4 Essendon 1971 2009 898 499 389 10 92523 86540 106.91 56.12
5 West Coast 1987 2009 538 298 235 5 51332 48479 105.89 55.86
6 Port Adel 1997 2009 299 165 130 4 28548 27470 103.92 55.85
7 Nth Melb/Kangaroos 1971 2009 910 490 410 10 92871 90643 102.46 54.40
8 Collingwood 1971 2009 902 483 410 9 89722 85142 105.38 54.05
9 Geelong 1971 2009 893 473 415 5 89996 85604 105.13 53.25
10 Adelaide 1991 2009 436 231 204 1 41449 39341 105.36 53.10
11 Richmond 1971 2009 880 415 457 8 86150 90505 95.19 47.61
12 Footscray/W Bulldogs 1971 2009 875 400 460 15 82744 87498 94.57 46.57
13 Sth Melb/Sydney 1971 2009 879 376 495 8 84479 88916 95.01 43.23
14 St Kilda 1971 2009 877 362 505 10 81982 89067 92.05 41.85
15 Melbourne 1971 2009 880 356 521 3 82515 91371 90.31 40.63
16 Fitzroy 1971 1996 580 224 353 3 55903 62359 89.65 38.88
17 Fremantle 1995 2009 330 128 202 0 28985 32487 89.22 38.79
18 Bris Bears 1987 1996 222 72 148 2 19718 24385 80.86 32.88

[Hondo]

We are talking like they have had some sort of dynasty. They have won one flag since 1963. Sure they have been the best side for three years but what does that count for? Premierships are what matters not minor round dominance.

thats sort of what i was trying to say. You've been clearer than I was.

no, there's not been some sort of 1997-2009 dominance of Geelong over the comp. Since 2003 there has been a dominance in the minor round and 1 premiership.

[Hondo]

What happens if you select 1997-1998?

[the joker]

What happens if you select 1997-1998?

1 W Bulldogs 1997 1998 48 31 17 0 4877 4470 109.11 64.58
2 Nth Melb 1997 1998 50 32 18 0 5053 4451 113.53 64.00
3 Adelaide 1997 1998 52 33 19 0 5143 4196 122.57 63.46
4 St Kilda 1997 1998 49 30 19 0 4918 4505 109.17 61.22
5 Sydney 1997 1998 47 27 20 0 4616 4244 108.77 57.45
6 West Coast 1997 1998 47 25 22 0 4111 3861 106.48 53.19
7 Geelong 1997 1998 46 24 22 0 4017 3909 102.76 52.17
8 Richmond 1997 1998 44 22 22 0 3901 4179 93.35 50.00
9 Essendon 1997 1998 45 21 24 0 4314 4323 99.79 46.67
10 Port Adel 1997 1998 44 19 23 2 3780 4034 93.70 45.45
11 Carlton 1997 1998 44 19 25 0 3996 4154 96.20 43.18
12 Melbourne 1997 1998 47 20 27 0 3792 4622 82.04 42.55
13 Collingwood 1997 1998 44 17 27 0 4106 4086 100.49 38.64
14 Fremantle 1997 1998 44 17 27 0 3487 4179 83.44 38.64
15 Hawthorn 1997 1998 44 16 28 0 3865 4227 91.44 36.36
16 Bris Lions 1997 1998 45 15 28 2 4025 4561 88.25 35.56

[Voice]

It's a false table, too many intangibles not being factored into it. For a start, Hawthorn, Footscray and North Melbourne were entered into the competition in 1925, were given no assistance whatsoever, and it took the best part of 30 years or longer before those clubs became strong.

Let's make it so we factor in who's received the most injuries this season, so therefore are at a disadvantage for making this years finals and let them in
C'mon AH, every table goes by games played, most wins etc, not by who was disadvantaged the most when they entered the comp.

[Rik E Boy]

It's a false table, too many intangibles not being factored into it. For a start, Hawthorn, Footscray and North Melbourne were entered into the competition in 1925, were given no assistance whatsoever, and it took the best part of 30 years or longer before those clubs became strong.

Several clubs ahead of them (clubs admitted to the competition since 1987) were given a lot of assistance in order for them to be "instantly" competitive (some more than others).

As a Hawks supporter, how about showing a ladder from 1971 to current, that would tell a different story.

1 Hawthorn 1971 2009 910 549 358 3 94937 83863 113.20 60.49
2 Carlton 1971 2009 906 514 383 9 91657 84963 107.88 57.23
3 Bris Lions 1997 2009 301 168 128 5 30509 27387 111.40 56.64
4 Essendon 1971 2009 898 499 389 10 92523 86540 106.91 56.12
5 West Coast 1987 2009 538 298 235 5 51332 48479 105.89 55.86
6 Port Adel 1997 2009 299 165 130 4 28548 27470 103.92 55.85
7 Nth Melb/Kangaroos 1971 2009 910 490 410 10 92871 90643 102.46 54.40
8 Collingwood 1971 2009 902 483 410 9 89722 85142 105.38 54.05
9 Geelong 1971 2009 893 473 415 5 89996 85604 105.13 53.25
10 Adelaide 1991 2009 436 231 204 1 41449 39341 105.36 53.10
11 Richmond 1971 2009 880 415 457 8 86150 90505 95.19 47.61
12 Footscray/W Bulldogs 1971 2009 875 400 460 15 82744 87498 94.57 46.57
13 Sth Melb/Sydney 1971 2009 879 376 495 8 84479 88916 95.01 43.23
14 St Kilda 1971 2009 877 362 505 10 81982 89067 92.05 41.85
15 Melbourne 1971 2009 880 356 521 3 82515 91371 90.31 40.63
16 Fitzroy 1971 1996 580 224 353 3 55903 62359 89.65 38.88
17 Fremantle 1995 2009 330 128 202 0 28985 32487 89.22 38.79
18 Bris Bears 1987 1996 222 72 148 2 19718 24385 80.86 32.88

Surprise surprise a Hawks supporter rewriting the history of the league so they can discount the infamous Maybloom era.

regards,

REB

[the big bang]

Its probably one of Geelong's downfalls in that they've consistently won matches for the last 20 years meaning they've never got priority picks or no 1 draft picks like a lot of other clubs.

I see the opposite. To me, Geelong are proof that you don't need to bottom out. What you need to do is draft well with the picks you have. Granted GAJ is the equivalent of a no 1 draft pick but other than that they've had to build their team the hard way.

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in 2001, what number pick would GAJ have been if the father son rule wasnt about? because from what i can recall, the top 3 picks in that draft ended up being handy pick ups!


so would GAJ have been up there with hodge, judd and ball?

[Mr66]

Grrrrr
The Brisbane Bears & the Brisbane Lions are separate clubs???

[Bat Pad]

Yeah I assume the Brisbane Bears/Lions thing is because they are seperate clubs which merged, as opposed to the swans who were one club who relocated.

[Rik E Boy]

Grrrrr
The Brisbane Bears & the Brisbane Lions are separate clubs???

If you aren't careful 66 you'll have RoyLion back in here!

regards,

REB

[brod]

It's a false table, too many intangibles not being factored into it. For a start, Hawthorn, Footscray and North Melbourne were entered into the competition in 1925, were given no assistance whatsoever, and it took the best part of 30 years or longer before those clubs became strong.

Several clubs ahead of them (clubs admitted to the competition since 1987) were given a lot of assistance in order for them to be "instantly" competitive (some more than others).

As a Hawks supporter, how about showing a ladder from 1971 to current, that would tell a different story.

1 Hawthorn 1971 2009 910 549 358 3 94937 83863 113.20 60.49
2 Carlton 1971 2009 906 514 383 9 91657 84963 107.88 57.23
3 Bris Lions 1997 2009 301 168 128 5 30509 27387 111.40 56.64
4 Essendon 1971 2009 898 499 389 10 92523 86540 106.91 56.12
5 West Coast 1987 2009 538 298 235 5 51332 48479 105.89 55.86
6 Port Adel 1997 2009 299 165 130 4 28548 27470 103.92 55.85
7 Nth Melb/Kangaroos 1971 2009 910 490 410 10 92871 90643 102.46 54.40
8 Collingwood 1971 2009 902 483 410 9 89722 85142 105.38 54.05
9 Geelong 1971 2009 893 473 415 5 89996 85604 105.13 53.25
10 Adelaide 1991 2009 436 231 204 1 41449 39341 105.36 53.10
11 Richmond 1971 2009 880 415 457 8 86150 90505 95.19 47.61
12 Footscray/W Bulldogs 1971 2009 875 400 460 15 82744 87498 94.57 46.57
13 Sth Melb/Sydney 1971 2009 879 376 495 8 84479 88916 95.01 43.23
14 St Kilda 1971 2009 877 362 505 10 81982 89067 92.05 41.85
15 Melbourne 1971 2009 880 356 521 3 82515 91371 90.31 40.63
16 Fitzroy 1971 1996 580 224 353 3 55903 62359 89.65 38.88
17 Fremantle 1995 2009 330 128 202 0 28985 32487 89.22 38.79
18 Bris Bears 1987 1996 222 72 148 2 19718 24385 80.86 32.88

Surprise surprise a Hawks supporter rewriting the history of the league so they can discount the infamous Maybloom era.

regards,

REB

Why would that happen REB

Ladder from 1925-1960 (Hawk won first flag in 61)
1 Collingwood 1925 1960 708 469 232 7 63242 53908 117.31 66.74
2 Carlton 1925 1960 676 417 252 7 59351 52214 113.67 62.20
3 Melbourne 1925 1960 690 412 269 9 60055 53764 111.70 60.36
4 Essendon 1925 1960 688 400 279 9 59688 53749 111.05 58.79
5 Richmond 1925 1960 681 390 282 9 59047 53890 109.57 57.93
6 Geelong 1925 1960 651 351 294 6 55518 51839 107.10 54.38
7 Sth Melb 1925 1960 663 315 343 5 54339 55639 97.66 47.89
8 Fitzroy 1925 1960 659 301 348 10 52446 54311 96.57 46.43
9 Footscray 1925 1960 659 296 356 7 50485 52084 96.93 45.45
10 St Kilda 1925 1960 645 228 410 7 47566 56715 83.87 35.89
11 Nth Melb 1925 1960 656 217 435 4 47484 57992 81.88 33.38
12 Hawthorn 1925 1960 650 175 471 4 45457 58573 77.61 27.23

A point from that is how much better Footscray went than the other two sides admitted in 1925