Premiership Clock or Window

[sydney-dog]

mighty tiger and dutchy

once again you guys are making an easy observation

9 of the last 13 premiers finished 12th to 16th this year...still no window?

so why did this occur, poor planning, lack of a development plan, poor recruiting, recycling players, the list of variables go on and on

my point is, two years ago with Ayres got axes, Carey and Burns retired, the crows premiership window was viewed as shut, our best players were aging and no depth in our list

so if the football world believed the crows premiership window was shut and they would need 3-4 years to rebuild then why have we challenged for the premiership in the past two saeasons

mighty tiger and dutchy, I hear you ask why?

the club had the $$$ to improve it's development structure, people like Alan Steward were head hunted to come to the club, the clubs training services dept is absolutely second to none and they appointed a coach with a clear vison and a clear road map on how to achieve that vision

THE OUTPUT / RESULTS OF THIS, senior players such as Goody, Zoomer and Macca have had outstanding seasons, 2nd tier players such as doughty, bassett, mattner, bode and shirley have taken there games to another level, finally the clubs development of the crusher group such as Van Berlo, Maric and Knights has improved out of sight

Most importantly the players believe in the vision and this drives a winning culture

mighty tiger and dutchy

I agree clubs like Collingwood, Kanga's, Carlton, Port and Essendon who have all fallen from grace in recent years will look to the premiership clock as an excuse for the clubs failure,

Personally I always look a bit deeper, where is Carlton's vision, how are they coached, what about the Bombers and Kanga's recruiting streategy, why did power continue to play so many out of form senior players for so long......

There are lot of variables you can control in football and if you do them well enough for long enough your always a chance

[Dutchy]

so these 5 clubs that finished in the bottom 5 positions this year, yet won 9 of the last 13 flags are ALL on the wrong track yet your lovely boys, who havent been in a GF since '98 are???

You have a go at the Roos recent recruiting however they finished 5th after 22 rnds last year? one bad year and its all no good? you contradicted yourself in the same post by saying our recruiting was so bad yet you talked about Carey and Burns!!!!

[sydney-dog]

Dutchy

Of course I believe Carlton, Essendon and Kanga's are on the wrong track and other clubs like Geelong

In regards to Carey and Burns, I agree, personally I would not of had both those players in my recruiting strategy, you will find that this was one of the reasons was Ayres got the axe, and if Craigy had of been in charge at the both Carey and Burns would not of been recruited to the AFC

In regards to Kanga's, the past few years your club has gambled on so many recycled players and the facts are your season was extremely disappoing, to compound the issue, I can not see the young talent coming thru, apart from Wells but he has been at the club for 3 years

[am Bays]

I dunno S-Dog the 2 young ruckman at the Kangas go all right, I wouldn't mind trading Clarke for one of them!!!!!

What do you reckon Dutchy, we got ourselves a deal??!!

FWIW, at the time I didn't mind the Carey and Burns trades, in an attempt to pinch a flag in 1-2 years. However it went pair shaped especially given out of the deal, Adelaide on traded what turned out to be pick 2 in the draft.

Two bad losses in 2003, the Collingwood loss at Footy Pk and one other I can't quite remember cost Adelaide a top 4 finish instead, first up in the finals up to the Gabba, - Goodnight Nurse!!!

[Dutchy]

Nathan Thompson has been alright? does he pass the test?

Swallow and Moran both NAB rising stars add McIntosh, Hale, Pratt, Wells theres a few coming through - Look out for Jesse Smith next year, out all year with an ankle (Ross Smith's son and top 10 draft prospect last year)...add 2 top 20 draft picks this year and loooking forward to seeing a young promising side next year going around...Ladileys last year of contract so needs to go this way to survive ala Hawks

Craigy was there during Ayres reign so dunno...was it all Ayres fault? Bassett, Bode, Thompson, Clarke, Hudson, Welsh are all recycled players

[sydney-dog]

agree, 2 young guys had good seasons, but the pool of young talent at the club is thin, last 3-4 years the club has recycled players such as Shane Harvey, Lance Picione, McKernan, Jade Rawlings, Hay, Green,

lets have a look at these players combined output, very very disappointing

It's no rocket science that Essendon, Carlton and Kanga's have recycled more players then any other club, all three clubs were very very disappointing

[mal]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The interstate clubs are getting wealthier and can afford to pay the best
back up staff to the coach.
The Salary scrap has a $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ limitation.
The staff at AC has less restrictions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Me thinks that after this year that AC will need Clarksons glass repairs
to repair all the cracks in the window.><^><^>>^><^^><^><^>^

As for the VIC clubs recruiting recycled players....AC has probably
recruited as many rejects in the last few years.################

[sydney-dog]

Mal

Football Observers have been predicting

Me thinks that after this year that AC will need Clarksons glass repairs
to repair all the cracks in the window.><^><^>>^><^^><^><^>^

for a few years now

[mal]

Mal

Football Observers have been predicting

Me thinks that after this year that AC will need Clarksons glass repairs
to repair all the cracks in the window.><^><^>>^><^^><^><^>^

for a few years now

SD I mentioned to you in a post a little while ago that SK was doing ok
by finishing top 3 to 8 in a post.
You told me that finishing top is a measure of a teams success.
AC has semi choked in the same period of time in finals, where does
that leave AC ?

You have had a go at certain clubs for recycling players from other clubs
AC has recycled as many in recent years.

If AC do not win a flag this year that window will be shattered.
The unbeatables were beatable when ROO, HART AND MCLEOD got injured.
Those guys are unlikely to get past 2007.
Add CLARKE this year and GOODWIN and EDWARDS about 2008.

Then dont be suprised if AC supplements thier list with recycled players
as they will not get early draft picks, and ultimately end up like those also
ran Victorian clubs you have been sledging.

If they win the 2006 flag you are off the hook, anything less .......

[am Bays]

Mal, Hart is gone, but Ruccitio and McLoed have at least another two years in them

Edwards & Goodwin at least three, Clarke maybe one more but may be gone at the end of this year.

The "window" has at least two more years to go in my book.

I also don't expect Adelaide to wallow outside the eight for long as the proved in the past having only missed three final series since 1996, = 2nd with West Coast and Brisbane as having played the most final series in the last 10 years behind Sydney with 8.

Sorry should include Essendon too as beeing equal with Crows, Bris and Eagles

[sydney-dog]

1980 Tassie Medalist

very good point, some clubs wollow out the 8 for 4-5 years, that is simply not good enough

[Rik E Boy]

This one is even easier. I barrack for the Crows, we've got the best facilities, the most members so we are going to be realistic premiership chances every season. Too bad it's a crock of shit.

regards,

REB

[PhilG]

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[am Bays]

Well REB the last 10 years weve made 7/10 finals series and over five of those have been prelims or better wich means we we ahve been and currently are realistic chances to to win the bloody thing 50% of the time

I like those odds with respect to being confident of being a realistic chance.

However I'm the first to admit being a realistic chance has Farg all to do with ultimately or actually winning the fargin cup.

Winning the cup has a lot to do with the following variables:

1. Quality players (with a strong desire for success)
2. Quality development/ footy education programs for draftees
3. Quality off field support programs
4. Quality medical and injury rehabilitation support
5. Quality physical preparation programs
6. $$$$ which impacts on the quality of the above

I will suggest if Adelaide is not in best in the comp in variables 2-6 it is certainly in the top 3. I am not confident or qualified enough to accuratelty rank where we are for factor #1.

[Rik E Boy]

Thank you for confirming my point of view so eloquently Wrinkles. 7 out of 10 or even 50 per cent is an excellent performance by the Crows. So was the window closed during the other three years or 50 percent? I'd like to suggest it was.

regards,

REB

[Booney]

Is Syd the only person on here who is not willing to admit there is such a thing as a "premiership window"?

[Dutchy]

1980 Tassie Medalist

very good point, some clubs wollow out the 8 for 4-5 years, that is simply not good enough

again hope this is not pointing at the Roos - from the last 14 years, 4 times out of the finals and 2 of them where 10th place, not exactly rock bottom, we had our window, got to 7 prelims, 3 GF's and 2 flags...when the crows show this prolonged consistency come and see me...

[mighty_tiger_79]

DUTCHY

i hope you dont get bored all by yourself while you wait for them!!!!!

they have a bit of catching up to do

[am Bays]

1980 Tassie Medalist

very good point, some clubs wollow out the 8 for 4-5 years, that is simply not good enough

again hope this is not pointing at the Roos - from the last 14 years, 4 times out of the finals and 2 of them where 10th place, not exactly rock bottom, we had our window, got to 7 prelims, 3 GF's and 2 flags...when the crows show this prolonged consistency come and see me...

Admitedly not as good as you Dutchy over 14 years but only by one in every case bar one....

over the last 14 years, 6 times out of the finals (the damn Shaw years), six prelims, 2 GFs, 2 Flags, 4 finishes at 11th, two games outside the 8, not good enough but by as you say, "not entirely rock bottom".

mind you we have never stoped as low as 14th...

Over 10 years our finals record is better than yours, but over 14 years you are better, I'll tell you what lets comapre total histories, you go from 1925, we'll go from 1991, can you match a 50% finals attendance record and a flag every 8 years??

I'll admit you are in front when it comes to the 14 year criteria, the other "windows" it is debatable....

And no my original psot was not at teh Roos....

FWIW the finals histories (how many times they have made it) of the last 10 years for each club are

8 Sydney
7 Adelaide, Brisbane, Essendon, West Coast (oops my mistake not including Essendon in my original psot)
6 Melbourne, North, Port
5 Saints, Footscray
4 Geelong
3 Carlton, collingwood
2 Fremantle, HAwthorn
1 Richmond

[mighty_tiger_79]

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