Premiership Clock or Window

[Rik E Boy]

Dutchy

mate if the dishlicker coment is aimed at me

well I rather be a dishlicker and my breath smell like dish water then a knob-gobbler like you, and my breath smelling like cum

What a poor post this is syd dog. All 'dogs' are called 'dishlickers' mate. Take a chill pill. Besides, if you really want to piss of Dutchy call him Mr Holland..for some reason that REALLY gets him steaming!

As for this thread more poo..what you are saying is that the 'premiership window' does not exist and that you should be a realistic chance to win the premiership every season. So does that go for all 16 clubs or just Adelaide (a shock to you I know to think that there are actually 15 other clubs in the competition)? It is IMPOSSIBLE for all 16 clubs to be a realistic premiership chance EVERY SEASON. Hence, the term 'premiership window' or 'premiership clock' was coined to describe that period in the club's development that they would be ideally placed to win the premiership.

You are sounding more and more like the quiessential Crow supporter with every post lately..'we're all right jack keep your hands off our stack'. You will need to snaffle that flag soon before that window closes on your boys..and don't kid yourself that it won't when Roo, Macca and Goodwin retire. You're kidding yourself if you think you can be a realistic (that's top four not top eight) premiership chance every season.

regards,

REB

[Booney]

This thread dissapoints me Syd,but in some ways does not surprise me.To suggest such a thing as a "window" does not exist is rather naive of some one,who,in other threads has made some valuable and accurate valuations.

Since 99,teams have shown,once at the top,or near the top (this means top 4) you only have 3 to 4 years to realise the dream and win a premiership.

Brisbane are not the exeption to the rule,they are the yard stick,as the opportunity they had,3-4 years,they made the absolute most of it,Port Adelaide,although making me over joyed by winning one,wasted 2 years at the top,Sydney are in the middle of their's,West Coast at their peak,and Adelaide,as much as this may pain you,is at the wrong end.Now,in the middle of 2004 when Craig took over a squad bereft of depth,he made some great calls and since has had his team at the top,but with Hart basically gone,McLeod,Roo,Goodwin,Edwards,Clarke all the wrong side of 30,this year,and perhaps next is the end of the Crows "window".It will be some time,if ever,before Van Berlo,Reilly,Porplycia,Douglas are in the class of the before mentioned,and only if and when they are,will Adelaide have another realistic shot at it.

[Dutchy]

I think old SD was having a bad night last night so we can forgive him for that, maybe it was a headache from the WCE's great form or is he studying for his next MBA? - FWIW I think the crows have some great young players BUT can they play well without the stars around them? that will be the big question.

[Dutchy]

and REB...Holland isnt my name, close but no cigar!!!

[smac]

and REB...Holland isnt my name, close but no cigar!!!

Van Den Hoogenband?

[Rik E Boy]

and REB...Holland isnt my name, close but no cigar!!!

Hollander? The Happy Hooker? LOL

regards,

REB

[PhilG]

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[sydney-dog]

premiership clock is nothing more then an excuse, everyone said two years ago that Adel premiership window was 3-4 years away, so if this theory is true, why have they finished in top 4 two years running, surely any team in top 4 premiership window is open

at the beginning of the year, Gellongs premiership window was open and freo's closed, but now it is reversed, this proves it is a load of crap

if you draft well, have the best training and development programs, strong culture, strong leadership and always plan for the future their is no reason why your window can not be always open

[sydney-dog]

just to further my point

in regards to this weeks teams, the dockers will have up to 8 rookie listed players, west coast 5, including dean cox, both sydney and adelaide for each, the crows players include Bock, Rutten, Doughty and Mattner

out of a total selection of 88 players, 21 players were initially on rookie list

In addition, lets compare Adel and the Kanga's

Adelaide has 5 full time recruiting officers, plus James Fantasia nad Alan Steward, Kanga's have 1 full time recruiting officer

Clubs with greater resources will be able to identify and develop talent, this is where the unevenness lies in the comp, this is why those clubs with the resources and infrastructure always stand a very good chance of being competitive, this is huge advantage, greater advantage then draft picks

[PhilG]

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[Rik E Boy]

premiership clock is nothing more then an excuse, everyone said two years ago that Adel premiership window was 3-4 years away, so if this theory is true, why have they finished in top 4 two years running, surely any team in top 4 premiership window is open

at the beginning of the year, Gellongs premiership window was open and freo's closed, but now it is reversed, this proves it is a load of crap

if you draft well, have the best training and development programs, strong culture, strong leadership and always plan for the future their is no reason why your window can not be always open

I wouldn't say that Geelong's premiership window is closed either syd.

regards,

REB

[Booney]

Heard of a salary cap Syd?

[mal]

St Kilda's window of opportunity,
it' ''panes'' me to think.

SD I see your points and respect your views as always,
but Im with the rest of the gang, there are periods of dominance
in teams cycles where they reach a peak.
When those teams are at a peak[mostly when you have a bracket of players
who have played 100 games +] then they need to capitolise.

I know you dislike the draft system, but its in vogue this century, and
inevitably sides will peak, trough and peak as a rule from it.

My team SK is in that window at the minute and need to achieve.
Our team AC did all the things you said without early draft picks
and did a great job and are in a position to window shop.

Window of opportunity is just another word for a teams peak rating.

[sydney-dog]

Booney

Salary Cap is for wages only, their is no salary cap for caches, support staff, fitness staff, medical dept.....

The crows have 7 full time recruiting officers, Kangas have one

Two weeks ago Sydney flew to WA on the Tuesday to prepare for it's final against the Eagles, last week the Bulldogs flew across on the Friday because of their tight budget

Have any of you compared the crows facilities to those of say Kanga's

None of these factors are controlled by a salary cap, your kidding yourself if you honestly that this does not give a club an advantage

The crows may not of had the best draft picks in recent years but they have a clear advantage when it comes to $$$ and resources, which is the eny of all Victorian clubs and places the club in a strong position to ensure they have the best facilities, best recruiting structure, best medical teams and best travel preperation

The draft is one factor of many

You can draft talent but you need to coach desire

[Booney]

Booney

Salary Cap is for wages only, their is no salary cap for caches, support staff, fitness staff, medical dept.....

The crows have 7 full time recruiting officers, Kangas have one

Two weeks ago Sydney flew to WA on the Tuesday to prepare for it's final against the Eagles, last week the Bulldogs flew across on the Friday because of their tight budget

Have any of you compared the crows facilities to those of say Kanga's

None of these factors are controlled by a salary cap, your kidding yourself if you honestly that this does not give a club an advantage

The crows may not of had the best draft picks in recent years but they have a clear advantage when it comes to $$$ and resources, which is the eny of all Victorian clubs and places the club in a strong position to ensure they have the best facilities, best recruiting structure, best medical teams and best travel preperation

The draft is one factor of many

You can draft talent but you need to coach desire

Yes Syd,what you say is true,but my point is,once you gather a squad together that contains 15 or more players with 100+ games experience it is difficult to keep this group together long term,some will seek greener pastures ($),others will look to head home (many AFL players being drafted interstate as young men).Brisbane are a classic example of this in modern footy.During their reign at the top,the younger players in their group gained little or no exposure to the big time,as their first 25 or so played at this level with such remarkable success the youth just didnt get a look in,now you will argue that Mathews should have given these guys some game time,but why? The team kept winning flags,so,if it aint broke dont fix it.Then you have the likes of Des Headland,who encompasses both of my points above,both homesick and greener ($) pastures beckoned.Now with Brisbane obviously payin the Voss,Black,Aker,Brown,Power and so on and so on so much money,how could they possibly recruit any big name players to replace this older group? Impossible as the salary cap would not allow it.Giving them the only otion of playing the untried youth,now they are 13th on the ladder,just 2 years after being beaten chasing a fourth consecutive flag.Name me a club which has,and will continue to defy this cycle in modern day footy...

[am Bays]

I think the premiership window/opportunity exists for all the reasons listed above, However as S-Dog suggested I think the draft is just a fctor that helps determine success.

Essendon, was a classic case of the salary cap (back ended contracts) crippling their squad where they got rid of good 2nd tier contributers, Hardwick, Blumfield, Heffernen at their peak to fit in the likes of Lloyd, Lucas, Hird and the Johnstons post 2003.

the Rookie system, helps the bigger clubs develop what JAck Dyer would call "good ordinary players" in the main, Cox excepted, but the draft increases your chances of getting the guns - i,e the game breakers with the flair to win games such as your Judds, Burgoyne etc. to be more certain of long term success.

The draft, i.e early picks of the gun juniors, rookie draft, $$$$, Salary cap, father-Son are all factors that contribute to "the premiership window" Even teams such as Adelaide/Sydney can win at any time but it is difficult their premiership teams will never be considered great and will not create dynesties. Where as the teams that get the benefit of early draft picks are capable of creating dynasties while they are at the top, but once their opportunity passess they are on a downward spiral until they can draft good kids again....

Booney i think the Crows have another two years at the top with Mcloed, Ruccittio, Edwards and Goodwin which gives the Douglases, Reillys Porpyzias, Van berlo, Vince etc another 50 games to learn this caper.

[Booney]

That is if those mentioned younger guys realise their "potential",we all know how dirty a word that can be.


*Footnote-I think Douglas and Porplyzia are quality,Van Berlo yet to convince me with disposal,Vince a goal sneak*

[am Bays]

Yep agrree with those sentiments Booney, FWIW I don't think Van Berlo is ever going to be a great player skill wise, he is going to be one of the trades men who with his fitness is going to get jobs to do each week and have to do a lot of dirty work to a create turnovers and get in an under to get the ball out to the runners.....

[Dutchy]

interesting article in the Herald Sun today - Cant Argue this one SD...

9 of the last 13 premiers finished 12th to 16th this year...still no window?

[mighty_tiger_79]

of course there isnt a WINDOW DUTCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how can SD be possibly wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!