Checkside V Banana Kicks

[wycbloods]

CP, I am just saying that Craigy would support and encourage the practice of such kicks at training and their use in games.

The majority of AFL coaches would not.

The best way to judge which coaches do and don't is to watch which clubs' players go back and kick these kicks when on such angles or choose to kick a drop punt (or don't know what to do).

That is the difference.

I think more AFL coaches would be encouraging their players to practice these than not nowadays but i agree with all that you have said ML. Always been a banana and checkside to me.

[Q.]

CP, I am just saying that Craigy would support and encourage the practice of such kicks at training and their use in games.

The majority of AFL coaches would not.

The best way to judge which coaches do and don't is to watch which clubs' players go back and kick these kicks when on such angles or choose to kick a drop punt (or don't know what to do).

That is the difference.

I think more AFL coaches would be encouraging their players to practice these than not nowadays but i agree with all that you have said ML. Always been a banana and checkside to me.

Ditto. Ever since I can first remember footy they were known to me as ML described it.

[MatteeG]

Never called the kick a 'banana' as you have described ML- simply a 'snap'.

Checkside as ML described I agree with.

Nickname- The inverted screwy (or 'torp') was something I loved doing before and after training- they feel really good when you get one away*

"Hit it on the instep"

Personally- I think it should be rare to have to kick a checkside. You should be able to kick both feet which means a simple 'snap' from either forward pocket. Sheesh if I could do it at SFL B grade level surely those at the top levels should be able to do it.

[doggies4eva]

CP, I am just saying that Craigy would support and encourage the practice of such kicks at training and their use in games.

The majority of AFL coaches would not.

The best way to judge which coaches do and don't is to watch which clubs' players go back and kick these kicks when on such angles or choose to kick a drop punt (or don't know what to do).

That is the difference.

I think more AFL coaches would be encouraging their players to practice these than not nowadays but i agree with all that you have said ML. Always been a banana and checkside to me.

While I admit to being totally ignorant of what AFL coaches teach in terms of kicking skills, one thing that I have noted in the AFL is the improved skill levels of players kicking for goal. It seems that these days many players have a variety of kicks at their disposal to suit certain conditions. For example the number of players that can regularly score a goal from a position on the boundary close to the point post which bounces through is impressive to say the least.

The conclusion that I draw is that many players regularly practice and perfect these "fancy" kicks whatever you want to call them.

[silicone skyline]

I'm surprised no one's ever tried to perfect the reverse screwy, the screwy that swings left to right if you 'miskick' the ball the right way.

Darryl White from Brisbane could kick these!! I remember he bagged a few goals from the boundary lines doing it.

Also, Jason Akermanis is a genius at using his instep to bend the ball the other way through the air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb4hMZKtRA4

[baysman]

I teach at a school here in Victoria, and the kids call them Banana kicks. They have no idea when I called it a Checkside. They also don't know what a " screw punt " is. It's a " torpy " to them over here !

[Chambo100]

When practised and executed correctly (which the Vics never could), I believe the checkside (as ML described it) is a higher percentage chance of goaling.

Problem is not enough of them practice this.

Oatey - Nunan - Craig. Now there is a coaching lineage!

[Mark_Beswick]

I teach the kids I coach the difference by telling them

If the ball hits the outside of the foot (Left outside or right foor outside - it is the check-side)
If the ball come off the instep side of the foot then it will be a bannana

This solves the problem of identification for left or right footers

[Chambo100]

Bannana?
50 lines please!

[wycbloods]

Bannana?
50 lines please!

Probably would be good to get them to spell it correctly as well .

Banana

[Adelaide Hawk]

one thing that I have noted in the AFL is the improved skill levels of players kicking for goal. It seems that these days many players have a variety of kicks at their disposal to suit certain conditions. For example the number of players that can regularly score a goal from a position on the boundary close to the point post which bounces through is impressive to say the least.

I hadn't noticed any improved kicking for goal ... certainly the scoreboards don't indicate this, there is just as high a % of behinds booted these days as ever, if not more. Maybe it's the plethora of players who miss from 20 metres out straight in front that is fooling me.

A greater "variety" of kicks? Do today's player use the torpedo, the drop kick, the flat punt? All those kicks were used to boot goals, the droppie used for longer distances, etc. We always had players who could bounce balls through such as Peter Daicos and Gary Buckenara, it's nothing new.

I was interested in an interview I heard with Peter Hudson a couple of weeks ago. For those who don't know, Hudson booted more goals than anyone in football history (Victoria, Tasmania) with well over 2,000 goals. He was a freak who averages more goals per game than anyone in VFL/AFL history.

He played in an era where it was the forward's job to kick goals, and the moment they would take possession they would also take ownership of the responsibility to kick a goal, not pass off to someone else.

He claims that he never had to kick a checkside because he could make the flat punt float from right to left, or left to right, depending on the circumstances, and that the flat punt was a more reliable and accurate kick than the checkside punt.

He went on to say that despite the modern player's increased skill level (I don't necessarily agree with that), he is staggered that kicking for goal hasn't progressed. The second part I wholeheartedly agree with.

He pointed out the glaring faults in the moder player's technique when lining up for goal. This is something I've been on about for years. I actually blame this practice of trying to bounce goals through with the outstep or instep of the boot as a contributing factor. Players rarely kick right through the ball any more.

I would also add that the main reason Peter Hudson never had to kick checksides is because the game was far more direct, and players didn't kick into the pockets for space like they do these days. Straighten the game up, and goalkicking will become easier.

[doggies4eva]

one thing that I have noted in the AFL is the improved skill levels of players kicking for goal. It seems that these days many players have a variety of kicks at their disposal to suit certain conditions. For example the number of players that can regularly score a goal from a position on the boundary close to the point post which bounces through is impressive to say the least.

I hadn't noticed any improved kicking for goal ... certainly the scoreboards don't indicate this, there is just as high a % of behinds booted these days as ever, if not more. Maybe it's the plethora of players who miss from 20 metres out straight in front that is fooling me.

I think that it has improved because historically you usually had one-on-one competitions all over the ground. In modern footy there are usually more defenders than forwards. The extra men usually zone up the central corridor forcing the attacking side to deliver the ball into space wide of the goal. Hence more shots on goal are from more difficult angles but the % hasn't dropped - so there must be a corresponding improvement in skill level of the forwards!

[Macca19]

To set the record straight for many SA footy fans and many many more Victorian and other States fans, there are two distinctive kicks for goal from a short tight angle - the Checkside and the Banana Kicks.

So what is the diffference?

Well the checkside kick is the one kicked by right footers from the right hand pocket & left footers from the left hand pocket and the ball is held at 45 degrees and kicked on the left hand third of the ball at impact (right hand third of the ball for left footers).

The banana kick is kicked by right footers from the left hand pocket & left footers from the right hand pocket and the ball is held at 45 degrees and kicked on the right hand third of the ball at impact (left hand third of the ball for left footers).

So using golf terminology, a checkside is a 'fade' whilst a banana is a 'draw'. Or essentially, the banana is the same effect as a curving snap shot?

[Bully]

gotta say I thought the Vics called it a banana and we called it a checkside, and from the opposite pocket was called a reverse checkside

this sounds more familiar.

thats it we call in the checkside which most states call it now but the vics tend to still use the banana at times.

[Mark_Beswick]

Like the golf analogy Macca

[MatteeG]

Like the golf analogy Macca

Agreed- nicely done macca