The AFL Finals structure

Talk on the national game

The AFL Finals structure

Postby Dissident » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:47 pm

What do people think of it ?

Do they prefer it to the previous (McIntyre) system?

Good points, bad points?
User avatar
Dissident
Site Admin
 
 
Posts: 6394
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:55 am
Location: Adelaide, SA
Has liked: 110 times
Been liked: 158 times

Postby RustyCage » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:03 pm

Like it the way it is now. The old system wasnt easy to follow, created games where the result didn't matter, and you could finish 4th and get knocked out.

Interesting to see they have the McIntyre system in the NRL and people are calling for it to be scrapped from there.
I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run
User avatar
RustyCage
Moderator
 
 
Posts: 15303
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:23 pm
Location: Adelaide
Has liked: 1269 times
Been liked: 937 times

Postby Dissident » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:09 pm

I agree it's better now..
But I think the McIntyre system had merit.

I reckon the new system advantages the bottom four teams more than the old system - and vice versa for the top four.
User avatar
Dissident
Site Admin
 
 
Posts: 6394
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:55 am
Location: Adelaide, SA
Has liked: 110 times
Been liked: 158 times

Postby heater31 » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:12 pm

Dissident wrote:I agree it's better now..
But I think the McIntyre system had merit.

I reckon the new system advantages the bottom four teams more than the old system - and vice versa for the top four.




It helped the crows win a flag in 98 :D
User avatar
heater31
Moderator
 
 
Posts: 16677
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:42 am
Location: the back blocks
Has liked: 533 times
Been liked: 1292 times

Postby Dissident » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:14 pm

heater31 wrote:
Dissident wrote:I agree it's better now..
But I think the McIntyre system had merit.

I reckon the new system advantages the bottom four teams more than the old system - and vice versa for the top four.




It helped the crows win a flag in 98 :D


Hard to say if it helped them. I mean, they won ... but under the new system they would have played 8th, not 4th (from memory).
User avatar
Dissident
Site Admin
 
 
Posts: 6394
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:55 am
Location: Adelaide, SA
Has liked: 110 times
Been liked: 158 times

Postby heater31 » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:19 pm

Dissident wrote:
heater31 wrote:
Dissident wrote:I agree it's better now..
But I think the McIntyre system had merit.

I reckon the new system advantages the bottom four teams more than the old system - and vice versa for the top four.




It helped the crows win a flag in 98 :D


Hard to say if it helped them. I mean, they won ... but under the new system they would have played 8th, not 4th (from memory).



but they were beaten in the first game against Melbourne. in todays system that't curtains and meet at 12 noon on monday for a few brews
User avatar
heater31
Moderator
 
 
Posts: 16677
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:42 am
Location: the back blocks
Has liked: 533 times
Been liked: 1292 times

Postby Dissident » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:20 pm

heater31 wrote:
Dissident wrote:
heater31 wrote:
Dissident wrote:I agree it's better now..
But I think the McIntyre system had merit.

I reckon the new system advantages the bottom four teams more than the old system - and vice versa for the top four.




It helped the crows win a flag in 98 :D


Hard to say if it helped them. I mean, they won ... but under the new system they would have played 8th, not 4th (from memory).



but they were beaten in the first game against Melbourne. in todays system that't curtains and meet at 12 noon on monday for a few brews



BUT in todays system, they wouldn't have played Melbourne

You can't compare them and only use HALF the rules.
User avatar
Dissident
Site Admin
 
 
Posts: 6394
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:55 am
Location: Adelaide, SA
Has liked: 110 times
Been liked: 158 times

Postby heater31 » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:23 pm

Yeah I suppose when you put it like that
User avatar
heater31
Moderator
 
 
Posts: 16677
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:42 am
Location: the back blocks
Has liked: 533 times
Been liked: 1292 times

Postby mick » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:06 pm

A final five or final 6 would be my choice. The current system rewards mediocrity, scrape together just over 50% wins and you're in the finals. The current system is fairer than the previous sytem in my opinion.
User avatar
mick
League - Best 21
 
 
Posts: 1639
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:34 am
Location: On the banks of the Murray
Has liked: 1 time
Been liked: 0 time

Postby sydney-dog » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:49 pm

mick

for commercial reasons the final 8 will never change, it makes too much coin for the AFL
sydney-dog
League - Top 5
 
Posts: 3351
Joined: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:53 pm
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 0 time

Postby mick » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:12 pm

Yep, I know, never let quality get in front of the mighty dollar :lol:
User avatar
mick
League - Best 21
 
 
Posts: 1639
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:34 am
Location: On the banks of the Murray
Has liked: 1 time
Been liked: 0 time

Postby PhilG » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:06 pm

..
Last edited by PhilG on Mon May 14, 2007 8:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
PhilG
 

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:41 am

mick wrote:A final five or final 6 would be my choice. The current system rewards mediocrity, scrape together just over 50% wins and you're in the finals. The current system is fairer than the previous sytem in my opinion.


That's not always the case Mick. Bulldogs won 13 matches this year to finish eighth which is a fair way ahead of 50%. The final five system practically gift wraps the flag for the minor premiers and tends to lead one sided grand finals as one team has got there a lot more easily than the other and the final six is a disaster end of story. No, eight is enough and in the current format. The best finals system of course is the top four but that is harsh with a 16 team comp.

regards,

REB
User avatar
Rik E Boy
Coach
 
 
Posts: 28572
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:55 pm
Location: The Switch
Has liked: 1772 times
Been liked: 1885 times

Postby Magpiespower » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:08 am

Current finals system works well.

Why the NRL abandoned it is a mystery to me.

Top 8 in a 16 team comp is fair enough, too.
User avatar
Magpiespower
Coach
 
 
Posts: 6292
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:12 am
Location: Salisbury
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 125 times
Grassroots Team: Salisbury

Postby MightyEagles » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:02 am

I concur with the current system at the moment, I would have a couple minor changes. Like the first week 1v3, 2v4, 5v7 and 6v8.
WOOOOO, Premiers 1993, 2006 and 2011!
Eagles - P 528 W 320 L 205 D 3 W% 60.89
WFC - P 575 W 160 L 411 D 4 W% 28.17
WTFC - P 1568 W 702 L 841 D 25 W% 45.56
Total - P 2671 W 1183 L 1457 D 32 W% 44.88
3 Flags - 1 Club
MightyEagles
Coach
 
 
Posts: 11771
Joined: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:38 pm
Location: The MightyEagles Memorial Timekeepers Box
Has liked: 10 times
Been liked: 12 times
Grassroots Team: United Eagles

Postby scott » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:10 pm

It takes 22 rounds to eliminate eight teams, then only three rounds to eliminate six.

Who thinks that's fair?!:D :wink:

Seriously though, I don't mind it the way it is now.
User avatar
scott
Veteran
 
 
Posts: 3760
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:53 pm
Location: Noarlunga Oval
Has liked: 8 times
Been liked: 124 times

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:10 pm

MightyEagles wrote:I concur with the current system at the moment, I would have a couple minor changes. Like the first week 1v3, 2v4, 5v7 and 6v8.


WWT Finals system. Top team wins flag and no grand finals LOL. So in your system if you finish third you have to play the top side but if you lose that round 22 game you can end up playing finishing 4th and play 2nd instead LOL. Nah. It's right as it is now.

regards,

REB
User avatar
Rik E Boy
Coach
 
 
Posts: 28572
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:55 pm
Location: The Switch
Has liked: 1772 times
Been liked: 1885 times

Postby Dissident » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:25 am

MightyEagles wrote:I concur with the current system at the moment, I would have a couple minor changes. Like the first week 1v3, 2v4, 5v7 and 6v8.



Hell no!

That means you'd rather finish second or fourth (rather than first and third).
User avatar
Dissident
Site Admin
 
 
Posts: 6394
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:55 am
Location: Adelaide, SA
Has liked: 110 times
Been liked: 158 times

Postby David Votoupal » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:59 pm

The system's fine as it is.

All finals systems have their virtues and vices. But I think the main thing to remember is that the NRL's current system- i.e. having 1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th and so forth is one which some think works better in sports like Rugby League (and soccer and Rugby Union, while we're at it) because upsets are far more likely to happen than in Aussie Rules. That's just the nature of the games.
David Votoupal
Rookie
 
Posts: 117
Joined: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:58 pm
Location: Sydney, NSW
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 0 time


Board index   Football  AFL

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

Around the place

Competitions   SANFL Official Site | Country Footy SA | Southern Football League | VFL Footy
Club Forums   Snouts Louts | The Roost | Redlegs Forum |