Tim Ginever's "whinge"

[Adelaide Hawk]

I just need to get this off my chest.

Warren Partland's article in the Advertiser, Friday 17 April 2009, states if Port Adelaide fail to win the flag in 2009, it will be the first decade in their history where they have not won a flag.

That got me thinking. Premiers from 1940 to 1949 are:
1940 Sturt
1941 Norwood
1942-44 Competition suspended due to WW2
1945 West Torrens
1946 Norwood
1947 West Adelaide
1948 Norwood
1949 North Adelaide

Cannot appear to find the name Port Adelaide on that list. Maybe becuase it's not on there!

Wait a minute. Are they suggesting for a moment that the competition they won in the Patriotic competition during the War when they teamed up with West Torrens counts? Because, if they are, Norwood and North Adelaide would gleefully add another couple of premierships to their list for the ones they won in 1943 & 1944. Sorry Port Adelaide, you did NOT win a flag in the 1940s.

Then he quotes Magpie Coach Tim Ginever giving reasons for Port Adelaide's poor decade. He talks about the effect of Port Adelaide's involvement in the AFL on the performances of the Magpies ... the loss of good players, club resources, financial instability, etc, etc.

NO mention at all of the period 1990-1996 when all other strong SANFL clubs were decimated by the Crows entering the AFL, a period where Port Adelaide helped themselves to 6 premierships.

Sorry Port Adelaide, but every other club has had to endure tough times over the years ... it's just your turn now.

[drebin]

Great post AH!!!

[Brucetiki]

Good post, but I thought Port only won 5 premierships between 90 and 96 (1990, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996). North won it in 91 and the Eagles in 93.

[Barto]

Then he quotes Magpie Coach Tim Ginever giving reasons for Port Adelaide's poor decade. He talks about the effect of Port Adelaide's involvement in the AFL on the performances of the Magpies ... the loss of good players, club resources, financial instability, etc, etc.

NO mention at all of the period 1990-1996 when all other strong SANFL clubs were decimated by the Crows entering the AFL, a period where Port Adelaide helped themselves to 6 premierships.

Sorry Port Adelaide, but every other club has had to endure tough times over the years ... it's just your turn now.

Excellent points. Ginever's comments are interesting. If that was the reason behing Port's current position, surely they would have finished near the bottom in the latter part of the 90's when the impact was at its greatest.

[beenreal]

I just need to get this off my chest.

Warren Partland's article in the Advertiser, Friday 17 April 2009, states if Port Adelaide fail to win the flag in 2009, it will be the first decade in their history where they have not won a flag.

That got me thinking. Premiers from 1940 to 1949 are:
1940 Sturt
1941 Norwood
1942-44 Competition suspended due to WW2
1945 West Torrens
1946 Norwood
1947 West Adelaide
1948 Norwood
1949 North Adelaide

Cannot appear to find the name Port Adelaide on that list. Maybe becuase it's not on there!

Wait a minute. Are they suggesting for a moment that the competition they won in the Patriotic competition during the War when they teamed up with West Torrens counts? Because, if they are, Norwood and North Adelaide would gleefully add another couple of premierships to their list for the ones they won in 1943 & 1944. Sorry Port Adelaide, you did NOT win a flag in the 1940s.

Then he quotes Magpie Coach Tim Ginever giving reasons for Port Adelaide's poor decade. He talks about the effect of Port Adelaide's involvement in the AFL on the performances of the Magpies ... the loss of good players, club resources, financial instability, etc, etc.

NO mention at all of the period 1990-1996 when all other strong SANFL clubs were decimated by the Crows entering the AFL, a period where Port Adelaide helped themselves to 6 premierships.

Sorry Port Adelaide, but every other club has had to endure tough times over the years ... it's just your turn now.

You're kidding! Are you suggesting that Port Adelaide were not effected by the Crows entry? Try Hodges, Tregenza, Brown, Darren Smith, Bruce Abernathy... Then try others like Wanganeen and Hynes lost to other AFL clubs. The main difference being, Port didn't whinge, they just put shoulder to the wheel and were good enough to rise above it.

And the financial impost from the Crows was spread over the entire competition, not just 1 club.

[Voice]

They just waited til now to whinge

[Mic]

Surely Ginever himself is somewhat responsible for Port's poor performance in recent years.

[grant j]

You're kidding! Are you suggesting that Port Adelaide were not effected by the Crows entry? Try Hodges, Tregenza, Brown, Darren Smith, Bruce Abernathy... Then try others like Wanganeen and Hynes lost to other AFL clubs. The main difference being, Port didn't whinge, they just put shoulder to the wheel and were good enough to rise above it.

And the financial impost from the Crows was spread over the entire competition, not just 1 club.

Hodges - didn't play regularly because of Modra
Tregenza, Brown, D. Smith - all past their prime when Crows came in
Bruce - Was in Victoria when Crows came in, not even playing for Port!!!
None are great football names down at the Crows

Port not whinging - They haven't stopped since the AFL team started. They have complained about their training facilities, sponsorship monies, being treated 2nd class compared with Port Power.


and having to cope financially alone, well that was their decision because they wanted to get into the AFL regardless of what it would do to any other club right from the start of their first bid, behind the SANFL's back.

The Port Adelaide Football Club are to blame.

The Official and supporters should stop whingeing and realize that they are responsible for where the PAFC find themselves today.

[am Bays]

Sorry grant have to disagree with you on some ponts

Bruce and Phillips came back for the 1987 SANFL season

But yes he hardly played at the crows despite being on teh list and was past his AFL prime.

Modra didn't play regularly until 1993 and didn't get picked up until 1992. So Hodges was a Crows regular for the first three years.

Brown and Smith were servicable players for teh crows IMO but in and out.

Tregenza played well I thought and was one of the Crows better players in their first five years. almost won a B&F if IRCC.

but compared to other clubs who proviuded eight players and like Port lost players over the border. jNot to mention providing sponsors, board memebrs, trainers, coaches, runners, property stewards etc Port got off very lightly compared to others.

What i want to know about Port is what happened to their $ Million profit at teh end of 1996 in transfer fees from teh Power and from sponsors getting on board the magpies in 1995-96 once the annoucnement was made that they were going into teh AFL...

five years later we had the $2 drive....

[beenreal]

You just dropped the magic word; clubs (plural). The Crows impact was across the board. The PAFC move to the AFL effected the Magpies as a whole. An example is Allan Scott, a long time supporter of the club who continued with the Power, and only just came back on board with the Magpies.

[Rik E Boy]

I just need to get this off my chest.

Warren Partland's article in the Advertiser, Friday 17 April 2009, states if Port Adelaide fail to win the flag in 2009, it will be the first decade in their history where they have not won a flag.

That got me thinking. Premiers from 1940 to 1949 are:
1940 Sturt
1941 Norwood
1942-44 Competition suspended due to WW2
1945 West Torrens
1946 Norwood
1947 West Adelaide
1948 Norwood
1949 North Adelaide

Cannot appear to find the name Port Adelaide on that list. Maybe becuase it's not on there!

Wait a minute. Are they suggesting for a moment that the competition they won in the Patriotic competition during the War when they teamed up with West Torrens counts? Because, if they are, Norwood and North Adelaide would gleefully add another couple of premierships to their list for the ones they won in 1943 & 1944. Sorry Port Adelaide, you did NOT win a flag in the 1940s.

Then he quotes Magpie Coach Tim Ginever giving reasons for Port Adelaide's poor decade. He talks about the effect of Port Adelaide's involvement in the AFL on the performances of the Magpies ... the loss of good players, club resources, financial instability, etc, etc.

NO mention at all of the period 1990-1996 when all other strong SANFL clubs were decimated by the Crows entering the AFL, a period where Port Adelaide helped themselves to 6 premierships.

Sorry Port Adelaide, but every other club has had to endure tough times over the years ... it's just your turn now.

Yeah and we are absolutely flying.

regards,

REB

[Macca19]

Hodges - didn't play regularly because of Modra
Tregenza, Brown, D. Smith - all past their prime when Crows came in
Bruce - Was in Victoria when Crows came in, not even playing for Port!!!
None are great football names down at the Crows

LOL!! Thanks for the laugh. Hodges played close to every game he was fit for for the Crows in 91 & 92.

Tregenza and Brown past it when they went to the Crows? Tregenza was 19 years old and in the previous two years had finished 2nd and 3rd in the Magarey. Brown was about 20/21. Past it? Righto then. Tregenza was a superb footballer for the Crows for a number of years.


As for Ginevers excuses, whilst he is essentially correct, he shouldnt be making excuses for stuff like this. The club just hasnt been good enough and hasnt had the quality of players to push for a flag in the past 10 years. Simple as that.

[Mr66]

That's the problem with successful clubs that fall on hard times.
There is a 'divine right' mentality that develops, that is good when you are winning, but looks horrible when you're not.
I always laugh at Collingwood,Essendon, Carlton and Richmond fans when they whinge about not winning a flag for 10+ years. You tend to develop a very myopic view of your sport much to the detriment of yourself and the game.
I'll never forget a press conference that James Hird had during Grand Final week in 2000, in that he mentioned that 'Seven years is a long time without winning a flag'.
My Essendon hate meter blew a valve that day!

[MightyEagles]

I just need to get this off my chest.

Warren Partland's article in the Advertiser, Friday 17 April 2009, states if Port Adelaide fail to win the flag in 2009, it will be the first decade in their history where they have not won a flag.

That got me thinking. Premiers from 1940 to 1949 are:
1940 Sturt
1941 Norwood
1942-44 Competition suspended due to WW2
1945 West Torrens
1946 Norwood
1947 West Adelaide
1948 Norwood
1949 North Adelaide

Cannot appear to find the name Port Adelaide on that list. Maybe becuase it's not on there!

Wait a minute. Are they suggesting for a moment that the competition they won in the Patriotic competition during the War when they teamed up with West Torrens counts? Because, if they are, Norwood and North Adelaide would gleefully add another couple of premierships to their list for the ones they won in 1943 & 1944. Sorry Port Adelaide, you did NOT win a flag in the 1940s.

Then he quotes Magpie Coach Tim Ginever giving reasons for Port Adelaide's poor decade. He talks about the effect of Port Adelaide's involvement in the AFL on the performances of the Magpies ... the loss of good players, club resources, financial instability, etc, etc.

NO mention at all of the period 1990-1996 when all other strong SANFL clubs were decimated by the Crows entering the AFL, a period where Port Adelaide helped themselves to 6 premierships.

Sorry Port Adelaide, but every other club has had to endure tough times over the years ... it's just your turn now.

Arn't you including the war comp when West Torrens had to join Port to win a flag.

[eddie eagle]

Ginever the minibus. Half a coach. More than a tad generous. How long did he have under Jack in the succession plan? Does not devote the time to being anything less than sucksessfool.

[mackdaddy]

haha adelaide hawk... typical norwoods supporter,
i feel sorry for ya's! there's two types of supporters...
1. port supporters
2. those who wish they were port supporters!

which category do u fall into adelaide hawk? yeah i thought so... bit quiet now, shame you werent born in the port area, have to follow norwood... unlucky!

firstly, to be honest the magpies never claimed to win a premiership in the 40s, ive always been told the only decade we never won a premiership was in the 40s... so its the advertisers stuff up, not ours, so dont have a go at the maggies!

secondly, ill put it plain and simple for ya, you wont beat centrals in the finals, so how about you jus concentrate on your own club!!! and stop knocking others when they're down, you should be proud! you had a little cheap at our club, big man!!!

Ginevers a good coach, he jus lacks commited players at moment, but that will change
MAGGIES will be BACK!!! so enjoy your time whilst it lasts

but good to hear from ya... shows theres still some norwood supporters out there, havent heard much from u mob lately

[Psyber]

haha adelaide hawk... typical norwoods supporter,
i feel sorry for ya's! there's two types of supporters...
1. port supporters
2. those who wish they were port supporters!

which category do u fall into adelaide hawk? yeah i thought so... bit quiet now, shame you werent born in the port area, have to follow norwood... unlucky!

firstly, to be honest the magpies never claimed to win a premiership in the 40s, ive always been told the only decade we never won a premiership was in the 40s... so its the advertisers stuff up, not ours, so dont have a go at the maggies!

secondly, ill put it plain and simple for ya, you wont beat centrals in the finals, so how about you jus concentrate on your own club!!! and stop knocking others when they're down, you should be proud! you had a little cheap at our club, big man!!!

Ginevers a good coach, he jus lacks commited players at moment, but that will change
MAGGIES will be BACK!!! so enjoy your time whilst it lasts

but good to hear from ya... shows theres still some norwood supporters out there, havent heard much from u mob lately

Mackbaby, I WAS born in the Port area, went to Woodville High, and openly followed Norwood.
I can't imagine why anyone would choose to follow Port....
I thought it was what you did when society gave you no other choice, and I have always sympathised with those so afflicted.

[Dogwatcher]

[Mickyj]

Ginevers a good coach, he jus lacks commited players at moment, but that will change
MAGGIES will be BACK!!! so enjoy your time whilst it lasts

MMMM Seeing Sunday as your seconds were shocking apart from a 10 minute period.And your league side didn't have the will(as they did the last 2 years) to win .I'd say Tim may almost be on the outer not much in the two's so no one to push for selection.

You keep thinking what u posted you'll be holding the other 8 teams up.

NIL FOUR Nil Four A new record for Timmy to be proud of .

[JK]

That's the problem with successful clubs that fall on hard times.
There is a 'divine right' mentality that develops, that is good when you are winning, but looks horrible when you're not.

Best I've ever heard that said ... So, so true - Especially at my club, I mean c'mon, we're 60 freakin years past it and still many follow that divine right rubbish (whether they choose to admit it or not)