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Postby GWW » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:17 pm

sydney-dog wrote:I also hear that some of the issues surrounding Pagan is he has lost Stick's support, Sticks is keen to draft Gibbs as the clubs #1 choice while Pagan has his sights on a key position player


I'd certainly agree with Pagan here, they'd be much better off going for Gumbleton or Hansen, because chances are they'd get a shot at someone like Hurley for their second pick. They'll get 3 picks before 14 of the other clubs get their 2nd, so the odds are they'll be able to stock up with midfielders with their 2nd and 3rd pick.

Gibbs will probably be a star in the AFL, but i dont think he can shape the Carlton side in the next 5/10 years like Gumbleton could. With Murphy, Walker and Stevens, they arguably have their midfield covered for at least the next 5 to 7 years. Apart from Fevola, the Blues really have no other (genuine) tall forward options, except for maybe Whitnall, and he plays his best footy at CHB these days.

I think Kernahan is blinkered by his Glenelg past.
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Postby am Bays » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:18 pm

sydney-dog wrote:I also hear that some of the issues surrounding Pagan is he has lost Stick's support, Sticks is keen to draft Gibbs as the clubs #1 choice while Pagan has his sights on a key position player


Is that hear, as in from a reliable source? or supposition on the basis that Peg and Sticks are premiership teammates?

At the start of the year I thought Sellar would be a better fit for Carlton given his athletic ability he would be a repalcement for Kouta. Not suggesting he will be as good as Kouta but he has similar biomotor abilities as Kouta...

however James appears to have dropped off a bit over the last half of the season....
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Postby sydney-dog » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:27 pm

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Postby am Bays » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:38 pm

sydney-dog wrote:1980 Tassie Medalist

it's from a life member of the club


Involved in recruiting or privy to carlton's draft preference list?? Don't answer that as the question is rhetorical. My point is that there is a lot of heresay floating around at the minute with respect ot finals ins and outs, who is going to get cut and drafted. It is hard to differentiate between the fact and the fiction at this time of year as clubs will deliberaely throw out bait to get the opposition thinking what are there real intentions.

For all I know S-Dog you source could be spot on.

Carlton's dilemma will be being repeated at Essendon and North melbourne with repect to if Gibbs is available do we go for him or one of the quality talls in the draft??? Tall defenders/forwards don't grow on trees compared to medium midfielders.....
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Postby sydney-dog » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:40 pm

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no not involved in recruiting

but i agree with you, midfielders are by the dozen, quality talls are like hens teeth
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Postby Punk Rooster » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:05 pm

sydney-dog wrote:but i agree with you, midfielders are by the dozen, quality talls are like hens teeth

depends on what perspective your looking from- a club with a plethora of quality talls may be looking for a midfielder.
As is with most things, it also goes in trends- this year everyone wants a tall forward, last a year a ruckman, the year before a defender etc...
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Postby Dutchy » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:08 pm

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sydney-dog wrote:1980 Tassie Medalist

it's from a life member of the club



Carlton's dilemma will be being repeated at Essendon and North melbourne with repect to if Gibbs is available do we go for him or one of the quality talls in the draft??? Tall defenders/forwards don't grow on trees compared to medium midfielders.....


Tassie...Roos dont need talls, we have plenty, please please please Blues and Bumbers leave Gibbsy to come to the team he supports!!!!!
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Postby am Bays » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:41 pm

Dutchy wrote:Tassie...Roos dont need talls, we have plenty, please please please Blues and Bumbers leave Gibbsy to come to the team he supports!!!!!


As long as he stays away from Bewick and his punting..... :wink:
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Postby Dutchy » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:48 pm

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Dutchy wrote:Tassie...Roos dont need talls, we have plenty, please please please Blues and Bumbers leave Gibbsy to come to the team he supports!!!!!


As long as he stays away from Bewick and his punting..... :wink:


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Postby am Bays » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:54 pm

No story, that I'm aware of, I just know Darren likes a punt, is a good bloke, and will welcome Bryce with open arms.

Having worked with Darren I know he likes a punt and I knew you would appreciate it.
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Postby JK » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:27 am

Tassie, at the start of the year I was so impressed with what I saw of Sellar that I thought he would be an automatic Top 5 pick - I know I hadn't seen many others around the country, but the kid reminded me of a young Pavlich in some ways.

As you've mentioned though, his season didn't kick on to the greatest of heights, certainly not those of his teammate anyway, so the question is, are you confident the two SA teams will get a crack at him thus keeping him at the Bay a little longer than perhaps initially expected?
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Postby am Bays » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:36 am

I think he will be available when Port have pick 6, whether he is still there when the Crows get pick 16 :wink: , is another matter....
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Postby Blue Boy » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:57 am

sydney-dog wrote:I also hear that some of the issues surrounding Pagan is he has lost Stick's support, Sticks is keen to draft Gibbs as the clubs #1 choice while Pagan has his sights on a key position player


With big Baranby retiring the Blues may look for a tall as they have some young quality midfieders already. Look for a trade from Adelaide with all there talls they actually might be in the mix for Gibbs.
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Postby am Bays » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:11 am

Blue Boy wrote:
sydney-dog wrote:I also hear that some of the issues surrounding Pagan is he has lost Stick's support, Sticks is keen to draft Gibbs as the clubs #1 choice while Pagan has his sights on a key position player


With big Baranby retiring the Blues may look for a tall as they have some young quality midfieders already. Look for a trade from Adelaide with all there talls they actually might be in the mix for Gibbs.


If carlton trades pick #1 for one of our talls, the Carlton supporters will tear the place down and all reposnsible for it will be publically flogged in Royal Pde. No way will that occur (mind you I will be ROFLMAO if it does). The only talls good enough for a # 1 pick trade are Brown, Reiwuldt and Hall

Only way Adelaide will be in a position to get Gibbs if one of Carlton, Ess & Kangas trade for pickes 4-6 and on trade it to Adelaide.... he wont last pass pick 5....
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Postby Blue Boy » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:19 am

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sydney-dog wrote:I also hear that some of the issues surrounding Pagan is he has lost Stick's support, Sticks is keen to draft Gibbs as the clubs #1 choice while Pagan has his sights on a key position player


With big Baranby retiring the Blues may look for a tall as they have some young quality midfieders already. Look for a trade from Adelaide with all there talls they actually might be in the mix for Gibbs.


If carlton trades pick #1 for one of our talls, the Carlton supporters will tear the place down and all reposnsible for it will be publically flogged in Royal Pde. No way will that occur (mind you I will be ROFLMAO if it does). The only talls good enough for a # 1 pick trade are Brown, Reiwuldt and Hall

Only way Adelaide will be in a position to get Gibbs if one of Carlton, Ess & Kangas trade for pickes 4-6 and on trade it to Adelaide.... he wont last pass pick 5....


I would think that there would be more than 1 player involved in any option given to Carlton. Some sort of package may be in the wings.
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Postby am Bays » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:24 am

Blue Boy wrote:
I would think that there would be more than 1 player involved in any option given to Carlton. Some sort of package may be in the wings.


R U saying the crows are going to give up one of a Johncock, Burton, Goodwin, Rutten, in addition to a tall because that is what you'll have to give up to get the #1 pick.....
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Postby blink » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:42 am

Crows will never get the number 1 pick, because Carlton won't trade it.

Gibbs will go to Victoria, and Sellars may get picked up by the Power, should he still be alive in the draft by pick 6.
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Postby Blue Boy » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:49 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:
Blue Boy wrote:
I would think that there would be more than 1 player involved in any option given to Carlton. Some sort of package may be in the wings.


R U saying the crows are going to give up one of a Johncock, Burton, Goodwin, Rutten, in addition to a tall because that is what you'll have to give up to get the #1 pick.....


Freo did it with Croad and Mcpharlin.

Look for some one who maybe gets injured a little. Also the package may involve more than 2 players
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Postby Dutchy » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:15 pm

Blue Boy wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:
Blue Boy wrote:
I would think that there would be more than 1 player involved in any option given to Carlton. Some sort of package may be in the wings.


R U saying the crows are going to give up one of a Johncock, Burton, Goodwin, Rutten, in addition to a tall because that is what you'll have to give up to get the #1 pick.....


Freo did it with Croad and Mcpharlin.

Look for some one who maybe gets injured a little. Also the package may involve more than 2 players


stop dreaming, this happening is as much a chance of Pagan leaving the Blues!
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Postby Blue Boy » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:28 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Blue Boy wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:
Blue Boy wrote:
I would think that there would be more than 1 player involved in any option given to Carlton. Some sort of package may be in the wings.


R U saying the crows are going to give up one of a Johncock, Burton, Goodwin, Rutten, in addition to a tall because that is what you'll have to give up to get the #1 pick.....


Freo did it with Croad and Mcpharlin.

Look for some one who maybe gets injured a little. Also the package may involve more than 2 players


stop dreaming, this happening is as much a chance of Pagan leaving the Blues!


No I will not !!!
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