The 1979 season - quirks

[rogernumber10]

Assumed he would have played one more year, but for doing the knee.

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The most one-sided game was Norwood's 111-point defeat of Torrens at Football Park in round 10, just seven weeks after Torrens won at The Parade by three points and indeed nine weeks before the Eagles beat the Redlegs by 57 points at Thebarton.

That pretty much sums up Norwood's 1979. 4th spot may not sound too bad, but 1979 was a totally unacceptable season from a Norwood point of view, considering the talent we had in our squad that season.

Norwood scored both the highest and lowest scores of 1979 (South equalled the lowest in the Grand Final). This has happened 7 times, however it is the only time that both scores were against the same team.

In fact, West Torrens joined only Sturt in 1930 to have conceded the highest and lowest score in a season.

[smithy]

I'm assuming Norwood held Sturt to the lowest score that season?
I vaguely remember watching a game that sturt played against Norwood and ended up with 12 fit players.
Memories of this game besides the many injuries was Michael Graham running into a goal post and breaking an arm and a sturt player flung in a tackle whilst kicking the ball 60 metres backwards for Paul Bagshaw to mark it one handed.

[spell_check]

No, both of those matches were Norwood/West Torrens:

Round 10 1979
Norwood 7.2 12.7 16.9 28.11 (179)
Torrens 4.3 7.4 9.5 10.8 (68)
Football Park, 9061

Round 19 1979
Torrens 4.1 6.4 10.9 13.11 (89)
Norwood 1.2 2.5 3.7 4.8 (32)
Thebarton, 3818

[smithy]

Thanks Spelly.
The game I remember mustn't of been the lowest score but would've went close.
I think that game and all its injuries was a pretty good reason sturt fell from 2nd to 9th.

[Leaping Lindner]

My main memory is after a woeful 1978 North found some form early in the season. Losses to South to Central but and then four wins in a row against Glenelg (at Glenelg), West (at Richmond), Norwood (at Norwood) and Port (at home) and then Doszna, who had been in career best form in the ruck, doing his knee the next week against Sturt and any chance of being a main contender that year being lost. We still won a few more games but struggled in the ones that counted.
Also Duckworth going home with Cloke's medal.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Also Duckworth going home with Cloke's medal.

One of the many reasons I don't place a lot of stock in Magarey Medals

[JK]

Also Duckworth going home with Cloke's medal.

One of the many reasons I don't place a lot of stock in Magarey Medals

Having not seen as much of Peter Cloke as brother David, were they similar players? How long did PC play with North and did he play VFL at some stage?

[Adelaide Hawk]

Peter Cloke was a similar player to David in that he had a very strong mark and could play at both ends of the ground. He wasn't quite as tall or heavily built, but was equally at home at CHF or CHB. He would have played close to 150 games for North from 1975 to 1981. Leaping Lindner will tell you more.

He also played 28 games for Richmond from 1970 to 1973. I can't remember the reason, but I seem to recall he was forced into pre-mature retirement due to illness. I'm thinking it may have been arthrtis or something. I know he went to coach Bordertown as Paul Adler played under him when he was transferred in his employment. As I said, LL will steer us in the direction.

Make no mistake, Cloke was a sensational player.

[am Bays]

Also Duckworth going home with Cloke's medal.

One of the many reasons I don't place a lot of stock in Magarey Medals

Gary McIntosh anyone...

[GWW]

I wonder if Peter Cloke had a brother in law as an umpire awarding him votes too

[Adelaide Hawk]

Also Duckworth going home with Cloke's medal.

One of the many reasons I don't place a lot of stock in Magarey Medals

Gary McIntosh anyone...

Yes, well Garry won 2 of them. What's your point?

[Leaping Lindner]

Peter Cloke was a similar player to David in that he had a very strong mark and could play at both ends of the ground. He wasn't quite as tall or heavily built, but was equally at home at CHF or CHB. He would have played close to 150 games for North from 1975 to 1981. Leaping Lindner will tell you more.

He also played 28 games for Richmond from 1970 to 1973. I can't remember the reason, but I seem to recall he was forced into pre-mature retirement due to illness. I'm thinking it may have been arthrtis or something. I know he went to coach Bordertown as Paul Adler played under him when he was transferred in his employment. As I said, LL will steer us in the direction.

Make no mistake, Cloke was a sensational player.

We got Cloke as part of the Roberts to Richmond deal. IIRC we paid $15k for him. He had knee troubles and spent 1974 in the VFA before coming to Adelaide. He ended up retiring prematurely due to an arthritic hip I believe.
Tommy Hafey is on record as saying he is the best mark he ever coached. No small compliment considering t-shirt Tom also coached Royce Hart.

[Leaping Lindner]

Also Duckworth going home with Cloke's medal.

One of the many reasons I don't place a lot of stock in Magarey Medals

Don't mention 1990. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it.

[Leaping Lindner]

Also Duckworth going home with Cloke's medal.

One of the many reasons I don't place a lot of stock in Magarey Medals

Gary McIntosh anyone...

Be fair Tassie. Macca was a great player. The only thing that was extraordinary about him winning two medals in a row was that he managed to go two seasons without being reported!

[Jimmy_041]

He was so good they gave him a premiership medal even though he was suspended!!

[am Bays]

Be fair Tassie. Macca was a great player. The only thing that was extraordinary about him winning two medals in a row was that he managed to go two seasons without being reported!

Oh I know, he was a great player, and this thread is going off track I don't think there are too many times the umpires haven't got it right. So Brownlow/Magarey/Sandover I not sure how you can not place some "store" in it...

[Adelaide Hawk]

Be fair Tassie. Macca was a great player. The only thing that was extraordinary about him winning two medals in a row was that he managed to go two seasons without being reported!

Oh I know, he was a great player, and this thread is going off track I don't think there are too many times the umpires haven't got it right. So Brownlow/Magarey/Sandover I not sure how you can not place some "store" in it...

By saying I don't place must stock in Magarey Medals, I'm not saying those who have won them weren't good players. Some champions have been medallists. What I am saying is, there have been many times when those winning the medal really weren't the best player over the year.

That is due to the 3-2-1 nature of the award. Each match, 6 votes a re awarded, no more, no less, irrespective of how well a player goes. There have been many great players who should have won medals and never did, and a number who were very lucky indeed.

By not holding "stock" in the medal, I mean that people tend to look at someone and say, "he won so many medals", and evaluate his career as a result.

I'm here to tell you Tassie that Peter Marker never won a Magarey Medal, but I saw him tear apart players who did. He was a great player who seems to miss out on discussions of the greatest in the game because he never won a medal, Paul Bashaw as well, and that's why I don't rate Magarey Medals as highly as others.

[am Bays]

I'm here to tell you Tassie that Peter Marker never won a Magarey Medal, but I saw him tear apart players who did. He was a great player who seems to miss out on discussions of the greatest in the game because he never won a medal, Paul Bashaw as well, and that's why I don't rate Magarey Medals as highly as others.

In the years they won medals? you don't have to answer that as you've seen more footy than I have.

My argument is that each method of judging footballers has it flaws. Club best and fairests favour players who get "jobs" each week, the umpires medals tend to favour players around the ball and players who don't have significant competition within their own club and I put more stock in umpires votes than self important pompous gits who sit in the grandstand and get a free feed because they are members of the fourth estate.

Back to Markers and Bagshaws competition perhaps Ebert and Robran were the really great players in their sides where as Bagshow was up against Graham (got a lot of votes) and Davies. Marker was up against Phillis and Cornes (to a lesser extent).

before Magpiespower, GWW, LL and Drebin jump down my throat by no means am I suggesting Port and North were one man teams from 1967-77 just merely suggesting that they "stood" out more.

I still maintain the by and large good players win medals.

[JK]

I still maintain the by and large good players win medals.

I dont think AH is disputing that, perhaps just suggesting there's room for the best player in a season to miss out and perhaps the fact that it doesn't take longevity into account ... In my time Bone would be one who fits into that category