Sturt v Power trial game

[Hondo]

A lot of people seem to think that pushing away from being Port will win us tons of new supporters, but as I said...just how many established supporters are gonna suddenly change and support Port because they arent really Port?

They pushed away from being Port in the first few years and have gradually come around back to being Port, probably one of the reasons crowds have steadily got worse despite a flag in the middle of it.

Yes, that's why they've gone back to approach they took in 1997. At the start, it was all about the heritage back to 1870. The approach since their flag to abandon this heritage seemed to be having exactly the opposite impact they wanted.

There's not AFL fans out there without a club to support, looking for another composite side. However, there are PAM people who could come back to the Power.

There's a 50-50 split in the schools as I hear it (crows/power) so in 10-20 years' time things will be much more even in this state.

[Wedgie]

Yes, that's why they've gone back to approach they took in 1997. At the start, it was all about the heritage back to 1870. The approach since their flag to abandon this heritage seemed to be having exactly the opposite impact they wanted

I and others on here (and the Sturt supportes I mentioned) disagree with your recollection of events. I used to be a full member of Footy Park in those days too and remember Port Power gear everywhere with no PAFC gear around, that was in the members anyway.
Anyway, this has got off topic, if people want to continue to talk about the 12 year old club the Port Power they should probably take it to the AFL forum.

[Macca19]

when they talk 61st captain does that include the current PAMFC team? so if PAMFC appoint a new Captian this season he will be the 62nd? and when Power apppoint a new Captain next year it will be the 63rd?

Can someone clarify?

They are two seperate clubs.

[topsywaldron]

They are two seperate clubs.

With exactly the same history though.

[Dutchy]

when they talk 61st captain does that include the current PAMFC team? so if PAMFC appoint a new Captian this season he will be the 62nd? and when Power apppoint a new Captain next year it will be the 63rd?

Can someone clarify?

They are two seperate clubs.

didnt answer my question

[Barto]

Theres no point trying to educate those that dont wanna know. The PAFC has never promoted itself as anything but the PAFC est. 1870. Ever.

I guess those garments being worn in the late nineties which read "Port Adelaide FC est. 1997" were just the product of a printer's error then

The AFL has marketed the club as est. 1996 in the past in AFL approved merchandise. This changed a few years back when they agreed to stop putting that on merchandise. Certainly, the clubs official stance has always been 1870. How much of the 1996 stock was found in the actual club shop over the years I cant remember.

We're Port Power selling that 1996 merchandise in their club store? Or did they refuse to stock it and it was only the generic AFL Store selling it?

I saw an "Est. 1996" number plate back in 2002 on sale in the city.

[Barto]

It didn't attract any North mates of mine but we're a bit more intelligent and stubborn than Sturt supporters.

If they attracted any Sturt supporters, it might be because they were using our light blue instead of teal.

[zipzap]

The first point ill make is that going down the road of distancing ourselves from being Port Adelaide, not saying 'Port Adelaide' in any press release for almost two years (saying 'the Power' instead), ...

Thank you. That's all I ever wanted to be acknowledged. That when the Power started, whilst they were of course respectful of their history, they went to great pains to distance themselves from it in order to be perceived as a entirely new entity. Why some Port supporters continue to deny this fact I don't know.

I do definitely see your point that it didn't work and why not try something else. All I can say is that from my perspective as a non-Magpies fan but someone who 'supported' the Power (geez, i had a sticker on my car FFS! I even took a class to tour the facilities at Alberton while on camp!) I am less and less inclined to do so the more they go back to claim the spoils and creeds of another time and place. I don't suppose that would bother many of the Power's supporters but I'm pretty sure it would cause concern to their accountants.

[Macca19]

The first point ill make is that going down the road of distancing ourselves from being Port Adelaide, not saying 'Port Adelaide' in any press release for almost two years (saying 'the Power' instead), ...

Thank you. That's all I ever wanted to be acknowledged. That when the Power started, whilst they were of course respectful of their history, they went to great pains to distance themselves from it in order to be perceived as a entirely new entity. Why some Port supporters continue to deny this fact I don't know.

I was actually talking about the last couple of years, not the first two.

As hondo said, ever since the club won the flag in 04, its gone to great lengths to move away from being Port Adelaide and to push the teal, Power, funk squad, kids etc. thing...which obviously hasnt worked and made the situation worse. A lot of this would have been John James influence, trying to get more corporate dollars into the club and trying different things to get new members, but it didnt work. Now, the club risks having not many new supporters, whilst losing traditional members at quite a rapid rate. The terrible on field gameplan and falling over in matches didnt help things this year either.

[Macca19]

when they talk 61st captain does that include the current PAMFC team? so if PAMFC appoint a new Captian this season he will be the 62nd? and when Power apppoint a new Captain next year it will be the 63rd?

Can someone clarify?

They are two seperate clubs.

didnt answer my question

Well...yes it did.

They are seperate/different/not the same. What the PAMFC does has zero to do with what the PAFC does and vice versa.

[Macca19]

Theres no point trying to educate those that dont wanna know. The PAFC has never promoted itself as anything but the PAFC est. 1870. Ever.

I guess those garments being worn in the late nineties which read "Port Adelaide FC est. 1997" were just the product of a printer's error then

The AFL has marketed the club as est. 1996 in the past in AFL approved merchandise. This changed a few years back when they agreed to stop putting that on merchandise. Certainly, the clubs official stance has always been 1870. How much of the 1996 stock was found in the actual club shop over the years I cant remember.

We're Port Power selling that 1996 merchandise in their club store? Or did they refuse to stock it and it was only the generic AFL Store selling it?

I saw an "Est. 1996" number plate back in 2002 on sale in the city.

I cant remember to be honest. I remember seeing a fair bit of est.1996 stuff in your Kmarts and sports stores...but I cant remember how much I saw in the actual club shop...I only go in there once or twice a year and thats only looking at guernseys as opposed to t-shirts etc.

[Hondo]

I think some of you are re-writing history to suit a current day argument. Getting distracted by vague memories of merchandise, number plates and what supporters wore to the games.

Have you all forgotten that for the first 3-4 years of the Power's existence we were told (and accepted) that 1870-1996 PAFC had moved into the AFL and turned into PAP (with PAMFC being a new entity)?

If that's not linking back directly to your heritage then what is?

Regardless of whether there was some "est 1996" merchandise, the club's PR at the time AND what their web-site was very clear that 1870 PAFC was now in the AFL. End of story.

The club's PR & marketing changed around 2004ish with a conscious decision to move away from the PAM heritage because they thought it was limiting their potential supporter base. Bad year, new CEO and they are back marketing the heritage.

Don't over analyse it, you end up in an endless loop. 2 clubs, 1 club, 1870, 1997, 61 captains, 5 captains .... who cares there's bigger issues in life!

[Dutchy]

when they talk 61st captain does that include the current PAMFC team? so if PAMFC appoint a new Captian this season he will be the 62nd? and when Power apppoint a new Captain next year it will be the 63rd?

Can someone clarify?

They are two seperate clubs.

didnt answer my question

Well...yes it did.

They are seperate/different/not the same. What the PAMFC does has zero to do with what the PAFC does and vice versa.

So how many Captains have the Magpies had in their history?

[Footy Smart]

After reading all this about The Power and the Magies being one club blah blah blah all i can say is that they sound like an 11 year old boy who thinks he may want to be a girl.....

Sounds like they have changed their minds and dont want to wear teal colour stockings and want to be taken seriously

[Macca19]

Well...yes it did.

They are seperate/different/not the same. What the PAMFC does has zero to do with what the PAFC does and vice versa.

So how many Captains have the Magpies had in their history?

How ever many there was from 1870-1996 plus whoever was captain from 97-now (Borlase, Brown, Poole, Brown, Clayton, AhChee). AhChee is the 63rd.

[Pseudo]

Have you all forgotten that for the first 3-4 years of the Power's existence we were told (and accepted) that 1870-1996 PAFC had moved into the AFL and turned into PAP (with PAMFC being a new entity)?

Speak for yourself. Some of us do not accept reality as dictated to us by an AFL club, and prefer to use our own minds to interpret the evidence as it appears.

Don't over analyse it, you end up in an endless loop. 2 clubs, 1 club, 1870, 1997, 61 captains, 5 captains .... who cares there's bigger issues in life!

I ageree with that. But then I - and indeed most punters on this board - ain't the ones who feel the need to stick their versions of reality down everyone else's throat. I don't care what the Power halfwits want to believe. I do however object to the expectation that I will listen to it and accept it as gospel. The more fervent "Power is the real Port" fanatics are akin to the Jehovah's Witnesses: you can respect their need to believe in something which patently false but ultimately irrelevant - but it's still a pain in the arse to answer the door when they come knocking.

(PS this ain't directed at you Macca; you have my respect. My disdain is more for those halfwits who jumped ship wholly onto the AFL bandwagon - or indeed were never dinkum SANFL fans in the first place)

[Bluedemon]

A lot of people seem to think that pushing away from being Port will win us tons of new supporters, but as I said...just how many established supporters are gonna suddenly change and support Port because they arent really Port?

They pushed away from being Port in the first few years and have gradually come around back to being Port, probably one of the reasons crowds have steadily got worse despite a flag in the middle of it.
I know the early marketing worked for some Sturt supporter friends of mine, I think they like the turquoise the Power use for some reason.
It didn't attract any North mates of mine but we're a bit more intelligent and stubborn than Sturt supporters.

North supporters are intelligent are they? Yeah right.

[Wedgie]

I didnt say we were intelligent mate, I just said we were more intelligent than Sturt supporters. Nothing to write home about though as it would be like bragging about being taller than a midget. If you were intelligent you would have worked that out.

PS NOTE the smiley, collectively we're really as dumb as dogshit and Sturt supporters are all rocket scientists.

[Bluedemon]

I didnt say we were intelligent mate, I just said we were more intelligent than Sturt supporters. Nothing to write home about though as it would be like bragging about being taller than a midget. If you were intelligent you would have worked that out.

PS NOTE the smiley, collectively we're really as dumb as dogshit and Sturt supporters are all rocket scientists.

I knew that, just felt like stirring the pot with one of our wooden spoons from the past. Had the freedom to write something without FC being here at work.

[Psyber]

As I have posted in another thread, another composite side introduced as the second AFL team in Adelaide may have had a broader appeal and been more successful financially.
I've tended to support them the "Power" to some extent as an expatriate South Australian, and because of my wife's family connections.
Whether they were the old Magpies or a new team was largely irrelevant as they carried the taint regardless.

Only Port fans or those with some leaning that way, or against the Crows, were ever going to support them.
They tried to attract a broader base by distancing themselves from the old SANFL team, and when it didn't work they have gone back to trying to attract more of their old SANFL base, who may be reticent, partly because they felt abandoned in the early days.

A doomed experiment...
Perhaps it is time to disband the "Power" and replace them with another composite team without the taint?