Sturt v Power trial game

[Thiele]

For all i care Port Power came in 1997, 5 Captains and 1 Premiship

[Macca19]

FWIW: recently updated commercial websites are hardly a reference for history, anything can be written there.

We can debate which club is which until the cows come home, I'm not even interested in the argument as it's a circular argument and there's no doubt that the AFL PAFC is claiming that they are the keepers of Port Adelaide history. Now that Dom Casissi is "Port's 61st Captain", will Warren Tredrea no long be the clubs all time goal kicker and this honour goes to Tim Evans?

What I'd like to see is evidence either agreeing or contrary to whether back in the early days of Ports entry to the AFL, was an opposite scenario being presented by the club today?

Well thats for you to show. The club has never marketed itself as anything but the Port Adelaide FOotball Club. Saying Port Power on a logo or in the club song doesnt effect this in any possible way.

As for the captaincy thing...yes Com Cassisi is the PAFCs 61st Captain. He is the 4th captain in the AFL.

Going by the Annual Report/yearbook last year, yes, they have joined together club records - Games, Goals etc.

[Barto]

FWIW: recently updated commercial websites are hardly a reference for history, anything can be written there.

We can debate which club is which until the cows come home, I'm not even interested in the argument as it's a circular argument and there's no doubt that the AFL PAFC is claiming that they are the keepers of Port Adelaide history. Now that Dom Casissi is "Port's 61st Captain", will Warren Tredrea no long be the clubs all time goal kicker and this honour goes to Tim Evans?

What I'd like to see is evidence either agreeing or contrary to whether back in the early days of Ports entry to the AFL, was an opposite scenario being presented by the club today?

Well thats for you to show. The club has never marketed itself as anything but the Port Adelaide FOotball Club. Saying Port Power on a logo or in the club song doesnt effect this in any possible way.

As for the captaincy thing...yes Com Cassisi is the PAFCs 61st Captain. He is the 4th captain in the AFL.

Going by the Annual Report/yearbook last year, yes, they have joined together club records - Games, Goals etc.

Fair enough. I was wondering how they reconciled the fact that the Magpies who we're told formed in 1997, have a leading goal kicker who played in the 70's and 80's

[Pseudo]

Theres no point trying to educate those that dont wanna know. The PAFC has never promoted itself as anything but the PAFC est. 1870. Ever.

I guess those garments being worn in the late nineties which read "Port Adelaide FC est. 1997" were just the product of a printer's error then

[Pseudo]

Fair enough. I was wondering how they reconciled the fact that the Magpies who we're told formed in 1997, have a leading goal kicker who played in the 70's and 80's

While they're reconciling that, they can also tell us how the Magpies, who allegedly weren't around in 1988, organised and held the premiership reunion for the winning Port team of that year... and the Power, which is allegedly the same club which won this flag, had nothing to do with the reunion.

[Macca19]

Theres no point trying to educate those that dont wanna know. The PAFC has never promoted itself as anything but the PAFC est. 1870. Ever.

I guess those garments being worn in the late nineties which read "Port Adelaide FC est. 1997" were just the product of a printer's error then

The AFL has marketed the club as est. 1996 in the past in AFL approved merchandise. This changed a few years back when they agreed to stop putting that on merchandise. Certainly, the clubs official stance has always been 1870. How much of the 1996 stock was found in the actual club shop over the years I cant remember.

[Wedgie]

I agree. I think the prices are what they are. I think people are forgetting the alcopop tax went up after footy season had finished.

I thought it was introuduced in April last year?
(Not that it should impact on the price of a TED anyway)

[Macca19]

I agree. I think the prices are what they are. I think people are forgetting the alcopop tax went up after footy season had finished.

I thought it was introuduced in April last year?
(Not that it should impact on the price of a TED anyway)

Was it? I thought it was only recent?

Last time I bought a bottled TED in the CBD it was $5.50 and that was months ago. Heinekins and the like were $7. TEDs were $6.60 at the BDO.

$3.80 for water is a bit ridiculous though.

[hearts on fire]

For all i care Port Power came in 1997, 5 Captains and 1 Premiship

I thought it was four captains......

Wanganeen
Primus
Tredrea
Cassisi

[Thiele]

For all i care Port Power came in 1997, 5 Captains and 1 Premiship

I thought it was four captains......

Wanganeen
Primus
Tredrea
Cassisi

You are right sorry

[zipzap]

The PAFC has never promoted itself as anything but the PAFC est. 1870. Ever.

Utter revisionist rubbish.

Even if they were officially "PAFC est 1870" in the AFL, they swept that under the carpet to appeal to a broader support base from their own long time supporters. You only have to have seen the logo or heard the club song from their first years in the AFL to know this.

Spot on, this is what they'd like you to believe but it's certainly not what was said in every media outlet when they were formed.

I love this bit of revisionism from the Maggies site: "In 1997 the Port Adelaide Football Club Ltd (Power) joined the AFL with the
Magpies continuing in the SANFL as the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club Inc. with both Clubs sharing the history from 1870 to 1996."

The official line being trotted out now is that both clubs share the tradition. They chop and change when it suits.

[zipzap]

Theres no point trying to educate those that dont wanna know. The PAFC has never promoted itself as anything but the PAFC est. 1870. Ever.

I guess those garments being worn in the late nineties which read "Port Adelaide FC est. 1997" were just the product of a printer's error then

It never happened.

[zipzap]

Fair enough. I was wondering how they reconciled the fact that the Magpies who we're told formed in 1997, have a leading goal kicker who played in the 70's and 80's

While they're reconciling that, they can also tell us how the Magpies, who allegedly weren't around in 1988, organised and held the premiership reunion for the winning Port team of that year... and the Power, which is allegedly the same club which won this flag, had nothing to do with the reunion.

It never happened.

[Barto]

Fair enough. I was wondering how they reconciled the fact that the Magpies who we're told formed in 1997, have a leading goal kicker who played in the 70's and 80's

While they're reconciling that, they can also tell us how the Magpies, who allegedly weren't around in 1988, organised and held the premiership reunion for the winning Port team of that year... and the Power, which is allegedly the same club which won this flag, had nothing to do with the reunion.

It never happened.

[zipzap]

[Macca19]

The PAFC has never promoted itself as anything but the PAFC est. 1870. Ever.

Utter revisionist rubbish.

Even if they were officially "PAFC est 1870" in the AFL, they swept that under the carpet to appeal to a broader support base from their own long time supporters. You only have to have seen the logo or heard the club song from their first years in the AFL to know this.

Spot on, this is what they'd like you to believe but it's certainly not what was said in every media outlet when they were formed.

I love this bit of revisionism from the Maggies site: "In 1997 the Port Adelaide Football Club Ltd (Power) joined the AFL with the
Magpies continuing in the SANFL as the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club Inc. with both Clubs sharing the history from 1870 to 1996."

The official line being trotted out now is that both clubs share the tradition. They chop and change when it suits.

Ignorance doesnt count. The clubs and the SANFL have ALWAYS said that both clubs share the history. This has never ever changed. This is the cause of all the frustration and confusion. For you to say that this is only a new thing shows that you havent a clue about the situation at all.

[zipzap]

Macca, regardless of fading memories (I say yours, you say mine...whatever...) can you explain to me the theory behind the club's marketing dept drawing so heavily on the Creed and the Maggies' glory days as a ploy to presumably attract members and supporters? For a club that is really struggling to get bums on seats (ie appeal to a broad cross section of people) it seems like a really dopey road to take as this will alienate many more potential supporters I would have thought.

My last comment before this gets shifted to the AFL board

[Macca19]

Macca, regardless of fading memories (I say yours, you say mine...whatever...) can you explain to me the theory behind the club's marketing dept drawing so heavily on the Creed and the Maggies' glory days as a ploy to presumably attract members and supporters? For a club that is really struggling to get bums on seats (ie appeal to a broad cross section of people) it seems like a really dopey road to take as this will alienate many more potential supporters I would have thought.

My last comment before this gets shifted to the AFL board

I could go on for a long time on this subject but ill try and keep it short and to the point.

The first point ill make is that going down the road of distancing ourselves from being Port Adelaide, not saying 'Port Adelaide' in any press release for almost two years (saying 'the Power' instead), all the teal stuff, kids stuff, funk squad etc. what good has it done? All its done is alienate original Port Adelaide supporters, create a lot of confusion and bad feeling amongst the supporter base and a lot of Port supporters are jaded with the marketing and actions of the club in the past 2-3 years.

Second point ill make is just how many potential supporters are out there? Almost every adult in teh state would be aligned either for or against Port. Children is where we need to put the emphasis on (which we have been doing) but even then....Id think the majority of children would simply follow who their parents support. What needs to then be weighed up is...will going down the non-Port Adelaide route win us more supporters than we will lose?

If the club isnt going to push being Port Adelaide, then theres no point even being called the PAFC...they may as well change it to South Coast Power or whatever.

A lot of people seem to think that pushing away from being Port will win us tons of new supporters, but as I said...just how many established supporters are gonna suddenly change and support Port because they arent really Port? I cant think of many doing that. What good is Port Adelaide turning into Adelaide Crows II gonna do? At least being Port Adelaide sets the club apart from the Crows. It creates a rivalry, creates a difference - history, heritage etc to what the Crows can currently offer.

At the very least, pushing what the club is - and that is Port Adelaide - should sure up those jaded supporters that dont know what the club actually stands for. The club never failed to win new supporters in the past and really it shouldnt hurt now. Sure...its gonna put off some people...but really are those the sort of supporters you want?

The marketing dept. needs to attempt to find a happy medium of 'keeping it real' and trying to attract a new breed of supporter. My personal opinion is moving away from being Port Adelaide will kill the club completely.

[Dutchy]

when they talk 61st captain does that include the current PAMFC team? so if PAMFC appoint a new Captian this season he will be the 62nd? and when Power apppoint a new Captain next year it will be the 63rd?

Can someone clarify?

[Wedgie]

A lot of people seem to think that pushing away from being Port will win us tons of new supporters, but as I said...just how many established supporters are gonna suddenly change and support Port because they arent really Port?

They pushed away from being Port in the first few years and have gradually come around back to being Port, probably one of the reasons crowds have steadily got worse despite a flag in the middle of it.
I know the early marketing worked for some Sturt supporter friends of mine, I think they like the turquoise the Power use for some reason.
It didn't attract any North mates of mine but we're a bit more intelligent and stubborn than Sturt supporters.