Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

[smac]

Very big on labelling people, aren't you Shrek? Some people can have opinions on things without acquiring an allegiance or fitting a mould.

[The Big Shrek]

Very big on labelling people, aren't you Shrek? Some people can have opinions on things without acquiring an allegiance or fitting a mould.

Very big on taking things too seriously smac. Psyber labelled a group of people so I labelled him. It would take quite a while to describe all the nuances of someone's character in a post, so I'll stick to labels thanks.

[redandblack]

Very big on labelling people, aren't you Shrek? Some people can have opinions on things without acquiring an allegiance or fitting a mould.

You mean labels, rarely used on here, such as 'bleeding hearts', 'champagne socialists', 'chardonnay set', etc, etc, etc......

[The Big Shrek]

Don't worry redandblack, smac was just looking for an excuse to have a go at me. He obviously doesn't have a problem with the issue itself as your post demonstrates.

I thought I had done well to coin the phrase post modern facist. All I've got to do now is define the classical and modern epoques.

[Drop Bear]

Do you think refugees have bottomless pockets to pay for lawyers?

No, but apparently the Australian tax payers do.

[Psyber]

..What a load of crap Psyber. Do you think refugees have bottomless pockets to pay for lawyers? Maybe there wouldn't be such a need for 'champions of the downtrodden' if the post-modern facists such as yourself weren't so intent on treading on them.

Are you really dense, Shrek, or is it just the dissembling game you play?
I didn't suggest the the alleged refugees had unlimited money, though some have had enough to get here. What the lawyers get is called "publicity" - a form of advertising, which generates money from other disssident do-gooder groups, and support from people who donate to the "cause".

Do you really think they are totally altruistic?

If you didn't rush into abusing people you diasagree with so quickly you may be able to work out what they are saying!

[Psyber]

We can't be "nice" to all and assume all alleged refugees are genuine - illegal arrival has benefits for agents of governments or of criminal organisations, by-passing security checks, and for the simply impatient who will not wait to apply and be assessed in the normal way. Only a firm line will inhibit this.

Think about it Psyber. One does not by-pass security checks without having valid papers. There has never been any evidence that those arriving by these channels are terrorists. Agents of governments or criminal organisations would have valid papers and probably fly first-class.

I would have thought they would want to not look like they were on expense accounts and have our people wonder where the money comes from...

[Psyber]

... post-modern facists such as yourself weren't so intent on treading on them.

Hmm, maybe I need a lawyer. That sounds like slander to me!
On the other hand I didn't label anyone, contrary to your assertion. I just said terrorists or criminals may try to infiltrate among genuine refugees.

[mick]

Ha ha, did you like that post modern facist remark mick?

You should learn to spell fascist first, perhaps you could identify one accurately then

[The Big Shrek]

... post-modern facists such as yourself weren't so intent on treading on them.

Hmm, maybe I need a lawyer. That sounds like slander to me!
On the other hand I didn't label anyone, contrary to your assertion. I just said terrorists or criminals may try to infiltrate among genuine refugees.

You did label lawyers as money hungry. Most probably are but not the ones representing refugees.

[The Big Shrek]

Ha ha, did you like that post modern facist remark mick?

You should learn to spell fascist first, perhaps you could identify one accurately then

Ah the old incorrect spelling comeback mick! Very imaginative!

[Psyber]

Ha ha, did you like that post modern facist remark mick?

You should learn to spell fascist first, perhaps you could identify one accurately then

Ah the old incorrect spelling comeback mick! Very imaginative!

On par with being abusive then?

[The Big Shrek]

Ha ha, did you like that post modern facist remark mick?

You should learn to spell fascist first, perhaps you could identify one accurately then

Ah the old incorrect spelling comeback mick! Very imaginative!

On par with being abusive then?

Are you implying I was being abusive Psyber?

[redandblack]

Add 'do-gooders' to the list

(Does that mean you're against people who do good things, or are the opposite people 'do-badders').

[mick]

... post-modern facists such as yourself weren't so intent on treading on them.

Hmm, maybe I need a lawyer. That sounds like slander to me!
On the other hand I didn't label anyone, contrary to your assertion. I just said terrorists or criminals may try to infiltrate among genuine refugees.

You did label lawyers as money hungry. Most probably are but not the ones representing refugees.

You really do live in La La Land.

[The Big Shrek]

... post-modern facists such as yourself weren't so intent on treading on them.

Hmm, maybe I need a lawyer. That sounds like slander to me!
On the other hand I didn't label anyone, contrary to your assertion. I just said terrorists or criminals may try to infiltrate among genuine refugees.

You did label lawyers as money hungry. Most probably are but not the ones representing refugees.

You really do live in La La Land.

Do you even know who represents asylum seekers in administrative detention?

[mick]

Illegal immigrants not asylum seekers, name one person in the current government who would publically endorse your fanciful notions. What has really changed since Howard in real terms?chipping around the edges like the changes to work choices.

[smac]

Very big on labelling people, aren't you Shrek? Some people can have opinions on things without acquiring an allegiance or fitting a mould.

You mean labels, rarely used on here, such as 'bleeding hearts', 'champagne socialists', 'chardonnay set', etc, etc, etc......

Yes, all labels are overused, but TBS has admitted to trying to invent one of his own, that puts him one step ahead of the pack.

[Q.]

Illegal immigrants not asylum seekers, name one person in the current government who would publically endorse your fanciful notions. What has really changed since Howard in real terms?chipping around the edges like the changes to work choices.

Wrong. 97% of applicants from Iraq and 93% of applicants from Afghanistan seeking asylum without valid visas in Australia in 1999 were recognised as genuine refugees. Under Australian law they were found to be eligible to stay in Australia. Generally, 84% of all asylum seekers are found to be legitimate refugees and are able to stay in Australia.

[Q.]

We can't be "nice" to all and assume all alleged refugees are genuine - illegal arrival has benefits for agents of governments or of criminal organisations, by-passing security checks, and for the simply impatient who will not wait to apply and be assessed in the normal way. Only a firm line will inhibit this.

Think about it Psyber. One does not by-pass security checks without having valid papers. There has never been any evidence that those arriving by these channels are terrorists. Agents of governments or criminal organisations would have valid papers and probably fly first-class.

I would have thought they would want to not look like they were on expense accounts and have our people wonder where the money comes from...

I don't believe you actually think that government agents or terrorists enter this country on rickety 'people smuggling' boats.