The most overrated and underrated players in the AFL

[Felch]

I'll start us off: -
Most Overrated: Jeff Farmer, O'Loughlin, DalSanto, Ball, X.Clarke, R.Clarke, Jared Brennan, Daniel Wells
Most Underrated: Scott Stevens, David Rodan, Shaun Higgins, Jarrad McVeigh, Nick Fosdike, Andrew Carrazzo

Scott Thompson is all class, and how can you say Higgins is underrated when hes only had a couple of years and was injured most of last year?

If you consider turning the ball over as classy,sure.

Did anyone see Thompson on Friday night in the International Rules match ?

FFS, he threaded 2 magnificent shots from ridiculous angles with the round ball. Give him an egg-shaped pill though, and he consistantly finds opposition players.

I like Thompson's toughness and tackling, and ball finding ability, but his disposal is very suspect under pressure. If he is being classed as a top-line midfielder, then he is severely over-rated.

[Dutchy]

Whatever Dutchy. Doesn't sound like it. You are flog.

resort to name calling now, wow that wasnt predictable was it

How about justifing with Burgoyne and Rioli are "superstars"....

[Dirko]

What's a flog ? ha ha haven't heard that one before ! Flog ! LMAO !!

Dutchy the Flog !!

ha ha ha.....

[Hondo]

I like Thompson's toughness and tackling, and ball finding ability, but his disposal is very suspect under pressure. If he is being classed as a top-line midfielder, then he is severely over-rated.

Hardly "severely". 16 Brownlow medal votes and I/Rules representative - someone rates him at least

(Felch this is not directed at you) This thread topic comes up every 6 months and each time it gets filled with innacuracies, badly defined terms and ends in tears every time.

Show me an AFL fan that knows every single player in the AFL in detail, then I'll listen to their ratings. I'm not that fan so any comment I might make on Daniel Wells or Nick Reiwoldt or Kositschke or any of the usual ( ) suspects that come up as "over-rated" is biased speculation. I mean Brett Burton comes up for no other reason than some people hate him He's a key player for us and would be for any side.

The most amusing part is the names that come up as "under-rated". Last time Ryan O'Keefe and Daniel Bradshaw came up. This time I/Rules rep David Rodan gets a gig. Who under-rates these guys I'll happily have them at the Crows thanks very much.

You are all a bunch of flogs

[Dutchy]

The flog is back

Agree Hondo, but reckon if your going to make statements, esp on a thread like this you should be prepared to back it up with reasons...

[silicone skyline]

No offence Dutchy, you are a well-respected poster, but I couldn't help but sense you were accusing ted of some form of racism.

Call me racist, but here's how I see it.

Many indigenous players seem to have been born to play the game. Their style and flair just comes naturally. However, (again, call me racist) many of them, not all, fall victim to being either lazy or inconsistent, thus prompting the "overrated" call by ted including several indigenous players.

Not because he is picking out indigenous players, but because he believes these guys, as players regardless of skin colour, tend to be either inconsistent or not as good as they were cracked up to be.

The Clarke boys from the Saints are classic examples. Showed promise but who can say they actually lived up to it?

Wells, I still think is brilliant and possibly the best of the bunch.

Farmer was brilliant at times, atrocious in others and O'Loughlin has over 300 games (and a similar amount of goals i think) to kind of exclude his name from the group.

You may have read a little too much into his post, rather than just taking it on face value.

Just my opinion however.

[Felch]

I like Thompson's toughness and tackling, and ball finding ability, but his disposal is very suspect under pressure. If he is being classed as a top-line midfielder, then he is severely over-rated.

Hardly "severely". 16 Brownlow medal votes and I/Rules representative - someone rates him at least

(Felch this is not directed at you) This thread topic comes up every 6 months and each time it gets filled with innacuracies, badly defined terms and ends in tears every time.

Show me an AFL fan that knows every single player in the AFL in detail, then I'll listen to their ratings. I'm not that fan so any comment I might make on Daniel Wells or Nick Reiwoldt or Kositschke or any of the usual ( ) suspects that come up as "over-rated" is biased speculation. I mean Brett Burton comes up for no other reason than some people hate him He's a key player for us and would be for any side.

The most amusing part is the names that come up as "under-rated". Last time Ryan O'Keefe and Daniel Bradshaw came up. This time I/Rules rep David Rodan gets a gig. Who under-rates these guys I'll happily have them at the Crows thanks very much.

You are all a bunch of flogs

I agree, 'over-rated 'gets confused with 'disliked' whenever this topic comes up.

On Thompson, i'm saying that if he is being mentioned in the same breath as Hodge, Ablett, Harvey, Black, Bartel, Kerr, Judd (what i would call top-line midfielders), then he is over-rated. He is miles off those blokes.

I agree with your other statements though Hondo.

[Dutchy]

Interesting that you use the R word SS. very interesting....

Maybe I was inferring that he overrates them cause he has very high expectations of them? 6 out of 8 players named is certainly unusual when you compare the ratio in AFL these days

[silicone skyline]

Interesting that you use the R word SS. very interesting....

Maybe I was inferring that he overrates them cause he has very high expectations of them? 6 out of 8 players named is certainly unusual when you compare the ratio in AFL these days

Hey, I like to give people benefit of the doubt.

I'm using the R word because I really can't think of any other reason why ted would label you a "flog" because of his high expectations.

Yes, an unusual percentage, and plenty of others to add to that list that aren't indigenous, but some of the names mentioned are plausible, and that's what the thread is about, naming those you think are over rated.

If you want, I'm sure ted could go thru the list of all 16 teams and even up the ratio, I just believe these were off the top of his head. Nothing sinister. Call it what you want.

[Dirko]

Perhaps what a thread like this needs is for people to chose from the team that they follow. Hence they'd have a better opinion then someone who doesn't follow that team as closely. Perhaps three of each.

I'll do Carlton.

OVERATE;
Andrew Carrazzo. Carrots gets a heap of the pill, but burns it way too much for my liking. If he could finish off with better skills and actually find targets he might be OK....
Bret Thornton. Will be lucky to start in the backlines in the season 09 for the Blues. The likes of Bower/Jameson/Waite have over taken him in regard to a defensive post, and young Mark Austin will only put more pressure on him to retain a spot.
Heath Scotland Has been a good pick up during the "dark" years of the Blues, but with the list coming on nicely, and blokes like Stevie Browne & Armfield looking OK, they'll push Scotto out IMO....

UNDERRATE;
Kade Simpson Even though he's made the side for the International series, when people talk about Carlton's midfield he very rarely gets a mention. If Judd wasn't around he'd be the Captain of Carlton....
Michael Jameson A no name defender that will be a household name in a few years IMO. Has the skills and knowledge to become a fantastic backman. One of the reasons why Carlton's defence didn't haemorrhage as much this year.
Shaun Grigg A real tough bastard. Loves getting hit, and loves hitting back. Will be a very good player for the Blues in the years to come.

HR to Simon Wiggins. Wiggo is the heartbeat of the club, and a true clubman. Always squeezes out every ounce of ability, and never shirks an issue...

[JK]

I don't think he's over-rated now, but Aaron Fiora certainly was once upon a time ... I think Leigh Montagna and Sam Fisher are two under-rated players there.

Not playing anymore but Jimmy Clement was under rated for much of his career.

[scottiemc]

I like Thompson's toughness and tackling, and ball finding ability, but his disposal is very suspect under pressure. If he is being classed as a top-line midfielder, then he is severely over-rated.

Hardly "severely". 16 Brownlow medal votes and I/Rules representative - someone rates him at least

(Felch this is not directed at you) This thread topic comes up every 6 months and each time it gets filled with innacuracies, badly defined terms and ends in tears every time.

Show me an AFL fan that knows every single player in the AFL in detail, then I'll listen to their ratings. I'm not that fan so any comment I might make on Daniel Wells or Nick Reiwoldt or Kositschke or any of the usual ( ) suspects that come up as "over-rated" is biased speculation. I mean Brett Burton comes up for no other reason than some people hate him He's a key player for us and would be for any side.

The most amusing part is the names that come up as "under-rated". Last time Ryan O'Keefe and Daniel Bradshaw came up. This time I/Rules rep David Rodan gets a gig. Who under-rates these guys I'll happily have them at the Crows thanks very much.

You are all a bunch of flogs

I agree, 'over-rated 'gets confused with 'disliked' whenever this topic comes up.

On Thompson, i'm saying that if he is being mentioned in the same breath as Hodge, Ablett, Harvey, Black, Bartel, Kerr, Judd (what i would call top-line midfielders), then he is over-rated. He is miles off those blokes.

I agree with your other statements though Hondo.

I agree, he's not as good as these blokes and i don't think too many people would say he is, therefore i don't think he is overrated. He is a good player that gets a lot of the ball and thats how i rate him 'a good player' with a bit of class.

[mypaddock]

Id say besides Nick Riewoldt the whole St Kilda side is over-rated

[dinglinga]

i think channel 7's coverage is over rated

[Tassie Blues]

i think channel 7's coverage is over rated

And i would say FoxSports coverage is underrated

[The Riddler]

Top 2 most overrated players in the comp

1. Justin Koschitzke
2. Anthony Rocca

[scottiemc]

i think dale thomas is overrated, always takes too long to get rid of the ball, always trying to take mark of the year, always trying to kick goals from the boundary.

[GWW]

i think channel 7's coverage is over rated

I don't think anyone rates ch 7's coverage at all.

[wycbloods]

i think channel 7's coverage is over rated

I don't think anyone rates ch 7's coverage at all.

I think it is "special".

[Sorry Dude]

Cyril Rioli has got it there to be a top tier player in the AFL but I dont think that the superstart status is very worthy. But I could be wrong it was his 1st AFL season and now has a premiership medallion.

I'll start us off: -
Most Overrated: Jeff Farmer, O'Loughlin, DalSanto, Ball, X.Clarke, R.Clarke, Jared Brennan, Daniel Wells

Here we go again

Seems strange out of the 8 you have picked there 6 of them are indigenous? Any reason for that?

What are you implying dutchy?

I am merely expressing an opinion. By all means agree or disagree; this is a forum after all; however it is disappointing that you seem to be implying something else.

All the players I have listed have been at one time or another mentioned as being in the AFL's top tier elite players when I dont think they deserve to be. The fact that 6 of the 8 are indigenous is coincidental. I certainly think players like the Burgoyne brothers, Cyril Rioli & Andrew McLeod are superstars. The guys I have listed are not.

Not implying anything, just interesting

Wells has NEVER been mentioned as a top tier elite player...

Peter Burgoyne and Rioli Superstars? now you are kidding yourself.....