Trade Bait

[am Bays]

Okay, before I make my statement I expect to get howled down but this is something I have been thinking of since the whole Father - Son rule fiasco a couple of weeks ago. Also I acknowledge my allegiances to Glenelg but that is a coincidence because I rate that Hurley too (based on Sundays game v Vic metro) so Gibbs and Sellar aren't my motivation in starting this thread so bare with me thrillseekers.......

Given that this is the best draft since the 2001 with some quality kids in the top five I base these comments on having watched a fair bit of U/18 TAC Cup and young league footballers over the years.

I believe the Adelaide Football club should offer up some current stars at the moment in order to pursuade Essendon, Carlton and North Melbourne to give up their first round draft picks for this years "gun" draft, i.e. picks 1-3.

To do that I believe Andrew McLeod or Tyson Edwards should be offered as trade bait as they probably have 3 years left in them at best where as Gibbs, Sellar, Hurley etc have 10+ year careers in front of them. Other possible palyers are Burton, Bock, Welsh, and Hudson/Biglands not as good as Edwards/McLeod but have longer careers in front of them.

Essendon is a possible attraction for McLeod as one of his motivation for playing international Rules last year was to play under Sheedy, their are NT mates there and its history with indigenous players. Carlton may want thim to add support to their young players like Murphy. I think North Melbourne will be harder to trade with given their recent history trading for "stars" and the subsequent results.......

Despite the noise if teh Crows offered McLoed or Edwards as bait for a the # 1 or 2 pick I reckon Essendon would be interested as they have a couple of good years in him while essendon can redevelop a side. Carlton need leadership and mature players in the same way Sydney traded Grant for Schwass in 1997, hence way they might be interested too with the pending retirement of Kouta.

I don't believe Goodwin and Rucciotio should be offered as Goodwin has a longer and more productive future with Adelaide than McLoed or Edwards. Rucciotio is the captain and soul of the club the innate leader who everyone looks too. Can't get rid of him IMHO.

I make this statement fully aware of his emotional attachment to the Adelaide Football Club (its supporters atachment to him)and his achievements there but in top level sport you have to be prepared to put emotion aside and think what is the best for the club not the individual players. Is it worthwhile trading a current star to get a player in the ilk of Judd/Ball/Hodge??

Gibbs is the best young kid I've seen play SANFL Football since McLeod (and boy do I remember his first game) based on the fact he is a footballer first and foremost not some athlete turned footballer. IMHO His decision making, foot skills and over head marking are 5 ratings (if you've read an AFL draft report you'll know what I mean). Sellars size and athleticism make him a potential mobile forward and defender cum midfielder. Hurleys work rate make them attractive choices too.

So what do others think should be Adelaide be prepared to give up something precious, Mcloed, Edwards or Burton to be 1st or 2nd cab off the rank when the best draft since 2001 takes place laterthis year to snare a potential marque player OR once again I am talking through my ar5e again.....

Serious comments please, the soccer fiasco cup is over so I'm back to being serious....

[mal]

Essendons recent recruiting of hacks has not worked.
Sheedy and co. will go for the kids and rebuild.
Bearing in mind the AC players mentioned by T1980
are not hacks it would not be wise to pick them up.
Im sure SDOG will respond.

[Punk Rooster]

1980 TM's post in a nutshell (case more like it.... )-
Sell magic beans to Carlton & Essendon.

[Blue Boy]

TM

I actually think you are on to some thing here !!!

Edwards and Mcleod would be of limits - but some of the second teir players or players missing in action are an option for trade !!!

The crows have some good depth in ruckman and mid size players @ the moment !!!

I agree Gibbs is a stand out as I have seen him make blokes nearly twice his age look silly - but Hurley may just be as good !!!!

[heater31]

yes 1980 TM, this one has come from outside the square but from what i can see from this arguement is either of these players willing to leave perhaps trade off some depth in order to get the developing players in as Blueboy suggests.

[am Bays]

Heater and Blue Boy I hear what you are saying but with the draft being so good, are Essendon and Carlton going to be prepared to take a lesser player and is Adelaide prepared to give up a player like a Hentschell who they have spent 4 years developing and is just now starting to show signs off becoming good?

Adelaide may have to give up a Burton and a lesser light as a combination to get pick one and two?

Remember Hawthorn traded Trent Coad to get pick 2 in the 2001 draft after four years on the list and two good years as a Hawthorn player....

[Leaping Lindner]

If the Crows offered up McLeod and Edwards as trade bait that would do it for me. I wouldn't renew my membership and I seriously doubt I'd ever go to another game. I realise that AFL is a business and lists must be renewed etc etc but that would be unforgiveable betrayal in my eyes.

[heater31]

Adelaide may have to give up a Burton and a lesser light as a combination to get pick one and two?

yep i could live with that, but if McLeod or Edwards went........ well i would burn both my crows jumpers in disgust and send the ashes to West Lakes.

[Maddogmike]

Burton has been offered for trade to a couple of Victorian clubs last year - where the Crows were asking for a top 10 pick, but no clubs were prepared to give one up for him.

The Crows wont offer Edwards and Id be amazed if Mcleod was of interest to a Victorian club at the stage of his career with his knees rapidly deteriorating!

[Rik E Boy]

Thanks to the recent efforts of the Kangaroos, I reckon you wouldn't find a club in the league now who would swap even a McLeod or Edwards for some of the young guns in this draft (not saying that McLeod or Edwards are a Jonathon Hay mind you).

regards,

REB

[Booney]

Put McLeod up for trade if you like Tassie,we'll give you Nathan Lonie and our first round pick for him.

[am Bays]

Put McLeod up for trade if you like Tassie,we'll give you Nathan Lonie and our first round pick for him.

Maybe, but only if the ar5e falls out of Port's season and we can get a pick in the top 3......

That is what I am saying peoples trading McLoed or an Edwards or Burton + 1 etc would only be for a top 3 pick, not for any old 1st round pick.....

To be first up in cue you have to be prepared to give up something of value if that is the route you want to take.....

[am Bays]

1980 TM's post in a nutshell (case more like it.... )-
Sell magic beans to Carlton & Essendon.

Well the "magic" beans are of no use to Carlton now that Angwin and Norman are gone.....

[Magpiespower]

Belongs in the fantasy football thread.

[Rik E Boy]

Along with that Avatar as far as TM is concerned. Maybe it needs a bit of an iron eh?

regards,

REB

[stan]

I think the teams with the early picks will know whats on offer in the draft and keep there picks. Even Essendon can only recycle a certain amount of hacks before they relise it aint working.

[sydney-dog]

Tassie,

some interesting thoughts, first up I am preety sure Mcleod and Edwards would be off-limits and I think even the Essondons and Carltons of this world have learnt and will not pass up on a top 10 pick for a 30+ year old

in regards to Welsh, Biglands, Burton Hudson these blokes are all tradable for the right deal but you wont get a top 10 pick for them, the market wil suggest a second or third round pick....

Remeber Welsh has had two injury wrecked seasons, Hudson is comming of a knee recon, Biglands may draw a high 2nd round pick as their are clubs short on quality talls, Burton I am not sure how highly he is rated.........

For me it will be interesting to see if players like Maric and Meesen stay, they might look for greater opportunity

[am Bays]

All I'm saying is a smart club should be prepared to find out what is the price for a pick in the top 3. You are going to have to give up a gun player to get a potential Chris Judd which is what better judges than I have rated the potential top 3 picks in this years draft.

A Welsh, Perrie, Bock etc aint gonna cut it on their own. A club is going to have to give up an All-Australian type player from the last 3 years ir top 6 top player on their list to get Ess, Carl or North to give up their 1st pick.

It is no pint giving up a "gun player for a pick outside the top 10, even then I would doubt it for pick 6-10

[sydney-dog]

Tassie, that's why their is a line of thought in footy circles that the Eagles are toying with the idea of trading Judd....

Reason, they know they will lose him in the next three years to the lure of melb, so why not maximise their compensation by picking up two top 10 picks especially given the fact that their is 3 or 4 quality talls rated as top 10 picks from WA

the eagles also have the midfield depth to minimise the impact, they will never truely cover the loss but they may be able to absorb the pain and still be very competitve

so don't be totally suprised

[am Bays]

Potentially a Smart move by West Coast, Given the quality of the 1st round this year is as good as the 2001 draft Clubs are going to have to give up quality players to extract a pick in the top five as Hodge, Ball, Judd, Polak, X Clarke, Sampi, D Hale, J Bartel, Reilly (12) Del Santo (13)