Footy Smart wrote:Big Phil wrote:I know it is continuing along with the slight off topic to a degree, but football clubs are measured as a whole on premiership sucess right ?
So does an individuals premiership success attribute to or have a say in their status as a "champion" or "legend" of a certain club ?
If that's the case, recently retired Centrals player, Nathan Steinberner would have to go down as a champion or legend of our club. He has won 5 premierships in his career and I'm sure in the eyes of all Dogs supporters, he is a legend of the club.
Along with Chris and James Gowans and Matty Slade, our only 6 time Premiership players would have to be considered legends of Centrals. I guess this assessment is, to a degree, based on an individuals assessment and we all have our own views on who and why certain players should or should not be categorised in this manner.
I don't feel that a player has to be 10 or 20 years retired to be considered in this manner, like I say, it's an individual thing and as we all know on here, everyone is entitled to their opinion, some will agree with it, others wont, that's just the way it is.
Back on topic, well done to Tubs on a great career. He is a nice guy to boot as well, he was an old customer of mine up at burns Ceiling Supplies.
How many times has an average player been part of a premiership team and they contribute nothing else to the club or the league.
IMO i think your service to the club is what makes you a champion not how many permierships you have one. Chris Thedgold springs to mind for me. He played at full back when Sturt would get pumped by 100 points every game, he captained the club and was there through thick and thin and when it came for Sturt to play in a winning GF he was left out after being injured just before finals. He was the face of the club in GF week and still bled double blue even with the heart break of missing out. He is respected by all at the club and has all the qualities of a champion. Wintle IMO is the same he gave his all for the North Adelaide footy club and thats all you can do as a player.
Well argued Smarty...
I think the players that have won premierships are by no means considered greater players than those that haven't. Take Nathan Buckley at Collingwood for example. Never played in a flag at the Pies (AFL version), but is considered one of the all-time greats. I can't argue with that accolade bestowed upon him.
Had Riccuito not been a member of the Crows 98 premiership side, having missed the 97 flag through injury, would he be lauded as highly as he has been post-retirement? I think he still would be. However, I feel that the comments from all and sundry that Riccuito is the greatest Crow of all time, is perhaps a little disrespectful to the likes of Andrew McLeod, Ben Hart and Nigel Smart, who were equally as important to the Crows over a long period of time. That argument is for another day.
I think it's a fair point though to suggest that a player needs to have played beyond a certain number of games at a club before the "champion" tag is given. Essendon fans would argue that John Coleman is a "legend" but he only played 98 games, but it was the fact he kicked 537 goals in that time, and was involved in premierships, and named in representative sides, that earnt him that honour. But is Coleman at 98 games deserving of the right to be called a "champion" or "legend" ahead of a player like Matthew Richardson at Richmond, who has played triple the number of games, and kicked a few hundred more goals than Coleman did, over a 15 year career?
You'd argue that Richo will perhaps be given the same accolade post-career, or has already, but the point is, how do you measure champions overall, alongside those players that are regarded as simply champions of their respective clubs?
