Are Adelaide imploding or just choking? Crows worse than Fre

[SCD]

I still think the Crows will struggle to make the 8, but they are developing along nicely with a young list and IMO have less ability and skill then the Power - who are the biggest sooks and under-acheivers of all time.

Please explain how the Power are the biggest underachievers of all time. I'm sure everyone on here is looking forward to hearing that futile arguement

Where do you want me to start...

01 - 04 where they won more games then Brisbane and won 1 flag compared to 3 is probably the best starting point. Best Win loss ratio over a 4 year span and win 1 flag.... Pretty much under-acheiving there.

05/06 rebuilding so we won't worry about that

07 where they definately maximised their potential - though winning a lot of close games and doing very well growing a young team

08 they have over 15 regular players this year that were part of the Grand Final team last year, yet they are 2-8 at home this year - where they should be beating average teams. They have continually given up 4 - 5 or 8 goal leads in the 3rd quarter and haven't improved in any area from last year.

This from a team that has Pearce, Motlop, Rodent, Burgoyne (S & P), Cornes C - who are all genuine match winners... Yet these match winners struggle to do anything when the team is struggling (unlike C Judd or B Harvey who lift their team when they need it)...

They are the biggest front runners and the moment things turn or get tough, too many of them are too afraid to put their head over the ball and do the hard things to get their team over the line.

If the Port players had half the committment of a Kangaroos or Sydney team > they would be sitting in the top 4 this year, which is honestly where they belong with the quality of list they have....

P.S. I think the title of this thread is wrong - you missed a PORT between Are and Adelaide.

[devilsadvocate]

So you said 'biggest underachievers'.

I give you:

Freo
St Kilda
Footscray

You also seem to conveniently forget 2005 and 2006, when your Cows finished top and second respectively, yet failed to make a GF. Bit hypocritical don't you think?

[SCD]

St Kilda can be compared with Port.. fair call DA.

IMO - Freo & Western Bulldogs have no talent and have never - so they don't under acheive, they are just shit.

As for the Crows.. Granted 06/07 was a missed oportunity, where Ben Cousins got West Coke over the line in both Preliminary Finals. But the Crows lack and always have lacked genuine match winners. They are a good team, but have no real stand out that can grab a game by the scruff of the neck and get them over the line when needed - Port have plenty of them who can do it (and so do St Kilda).

The Crows have made the finals in 01 / 02 / 03 / 05 / 06 / 07 (6 of the last 7 years), while Port have missed the finals in 06, 05 after winning the GF in 04 and 08 after making the GF in 07... Seems pretty disapointing from a club with so much "history" to not even be in the top 8 after winning or making a GF.

There are too many players at Port who coast and live on their reputation - they shouldn't be sitting back and thinking making a grand final is a good enough reason to slack of the next year. The are inconsistant and have been a big disappointment with the list they have.

[devilsadvocate]

St Kilda can be compared with Port.. fair call DA.

Please point out where I said that rabble from Moorabin could be compared with Port. Don't go making shit up because your original arguement has fallen down.

IMO - Freo & Western Bulldogs have no talent and have never - so they don't under acheive, they are just s***t.

As for the Crows.. Granted 06/07 was a missed oportunity, where Ben Cousins got West Coke over the line in both Preliminary Finals. But the Crows lack and always have lacked genuine match winners. They are a good team, but have no real stand out that can grab a game by the scruff of the neck and get them over the line when needed - Port have plenty of them who can do it (and so do St Kilda).

The Crows have made the finals in 01 / 02 / 03 / 05 / 06 / 07 (6 of the last 7 years), while Port have missed the finals in 06, 05 after winning the GF in 04 and 08 after making the GF in 07... Seems pretty disapointing from a club with so much "history" to not even be in the top 8 after winning or making a GF.

There are too many players at Port who coast and live on their reputation - they shouldn't be sitting back and thinking making a grand final is a good enough reason to slack of the next year. The are inconsistant and have been a big disappointment with the list they have.

How could a Cows fan forget that the Power made the finals in 2005.....please. Perhaps go back and look at your own clubs performance in that finals series (which put ours to shame and doesn't say much for Dutchies lot) before spouting incorrect facts.

And while I'm on it, you're right, we will miss this years finals after making a GF, because we've been rubbish. BUT, your lot isn't home and hosed either and IF they miss, it will be 6 finals series out of the last 8 for both teams. Difference is we won a flag and made a GF. The Cows did................??????

On your final point, what happened to the Cows in '99 after wining their GF in '98? - There were too many players who coasted and lived on their reputation - they shouldn't have been sitting back and thinking making a grand final was a good enough reason to slack of the next year.

[SCD]

It was a bad choice of words to say biggest, but my view quite simply is Port are a bunch of sooks who don't work hard enough when the chips are down and have under achieved since 2000, given the level of skill and talent they've had and do have on their list. As a Crows supporter i'd love to have 1 genuine match winner, let alone the 6 or 7 ones Port have, so it would be fair to say as a Crows supporter that i'm envious of it.

I have tried to agree with you that the Saints are the biggest joke in the AFL - but obviously didn't spell it out clearly enough....

Here goes - A couple of people at work are girlfriends with Saints players, both orgininally from other clubs and they both say the Saints on and off the field are a rabble. They don't train hard enough and are more interested in drinking and having a good time out then playing footy and being successful....

99 was disappointing for the Crows, but they were clearly not the best team in 97 or 98, just the best team in September. The Crows didn't win the most games in either year or over the 2 or 3 year span, but Port Adelaide did.

It's obvious that no Port Power player, coach or supporter cares about the year. You were the one having a crack at the Crows, but it's all good because your PITTMAN club did well to win their "Grand Final" last week against the Crows - BIG achievement that one - and to follow up, they get beaten by the 14th placed team, who haven't won a game away all year and have their only good player out.

But Hey it doesn't matter because can't win a game at home or even get 20,000 to a home game with 35,000 members because in 04 they won a flag and they made the grand final last year so to Port.

[devilsadvocate]

Fair enough mate. My initial thread was just being a smartass, but I'm always up for a bit of discussion.

Agree, the Power have been ordinary this year, but we're no where near the rabble the saints are - who as you say aren't interested in playing footy at all. Port usually show up for a quarter here or there!!!

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and to follow up, they get beaten by the 14th placed team, who haven't won a game away all year and have their only good player out.

Going off topic here, but Pavlich played 160 games in succession, the last game he missed was in Round 14 2001.

[SCD]

All good DA - different opinions are what make this game the best in the world..

As for Pav.. I just wish those 160 games had been in Red, Yellow and Blue...
He's a star and a great bloke as well (well he seemed like one the night we were out at the office on Pirie and all his mates had left him early - talked footy nearly all night...)