Absolute disgrace

[CUTTERMAN]

I'm outraged at the utter, utter disgrace at the effort of all Crows fans in not attending the Port v Freo game today, this is a blight on the Adelaide FC and their inability to promote one of Ports home games. It's about time someone was brought to task over this outrage.

[Thiele]

why are you blaming crows supporters were are the rest of your 30,000 + members

[GWW]

I'm outraged at the utter, utter disgrace at the effort of all Crows fans in not attending the Port v Freo game today, this is a blight on the Adelaide FC and their inability to promote one of Ports home games. It's about time someone was brought to task over this outrage.

Put this blatant troll on the Crows or AFL board.

[Footy Smart]

I'm outraged at the utter, utter disgrace at the effort of all Crows fans in not attending the Port v Freo game today, this is a blight on the Adelaide FC and their inability to promote one of Ports home games. It's about time someone was brought to task over this outrage.

Put this blatant troll on the Crows or AFL board.

This a trol after last week when the ferrals when nuts on hear every possible place/chance they got... Where are these Powerless people now.....

[GWW]

I'm outraged at the utter, utter disgrace at the effort of all Crows fans in not attending the Port v Freo game today, this is a blight on the Adelaide FC and their inability to promote one of Ports home games. It's about time someone was brought to task over this outrage.

Put this blatant troll on the Crows or AFL board.

This a trol after last week when the ferrals when nuts on hear every possible place/chance they got... Where are these Powerless people now.....

Yes well put it on the AFL or Crows board like i said.

[Magpiespower]

Thought this was gonna be about yesterday's loss?

If it was, the thread title would be most appropriate.

Because out all this year's embarrassing losses...

Yesterday was the most embarrassing.

[CUTTERMAN]

Not trying to cause trouble people, just having some fun while trying to give some perspective to this argument that the Crows fans didn't turn up to the Showdown and that it's their fault the numbers were down. Obviously not alot of Adelaide fans went, but it's their choice to BUY a ticket or not. The problem lies fair and square with Port Adelaide and their supporters as evidenced on the weekend. If only 19,000 went to the Freo game then it'd be fair to assume the same amount went the previous week, therefore there was about 10,000 crows fans of the 30,000 odd at the Showdown.
Accuse me of trolling but I'm trying to make a valid point, just with sarcasm, I haven't done anything that doesn't go on here daily with all the "Implosion" fanatics...you know who you are!

[Dutchy]

I deleted this thread, but on the advice of the Mods have now reinstated it, apologies to cutterman...Discuss

[Country Cock]

I deleted this thread, but on the advice of the Mods have now reinstated it, apologies to cutterman...Discuss

Well Done !

[Media Park]

absolute disgrace?
cough- 119- cough...

[devilsadvocate]

I thought it was quite funny, but belongs on the AFL board.

[CUTTERMAN]

Cheers Dutchy, no probs. I wasn't sure where to post it so there you go.
We do have a seroius problem with this matter of the Showdown when it's a Port home game, and now that the past 2 of these games have now set a precedent in low numbers it does have to be addressed. On a side issue to this, I don't really understand the argument that people won't go to Footy park because of the distance, ammenities, car parking etc, or that the weather was awful. This also obtains to the SANFL with certain grounds. Let's face it, we all used to go to our suburban ground in absolutely crap conditions to watch our teams play, and we loved it. have we become desensitised so much that we won't go to a game because it's at FP or it's a Port home game, or I gotta wait in my car for 30 mins to get out of the car park...none of it's ideal but life isn't so we just get on with it.
I am a Sturt member, and will never be a member of any other club while I'm in SA, I make it to most of their games no matter of the weather when work and life permits, so on a good year I'll get to see most of their games. I also follow the Crows but will never be a member, I'll make it to maybe 2-5 games a year, might also make a trip to Melb and then see 2-3 games over the weekend, but I prefer Sturt, it's where I grew up and it's what I grew up with. So on saturday I went to Unley and it never occured to me if I'd go because of the weather, so to use that excuse for the AFL is a little lame, this saturday I'll go to Unley and it won't occur to me what the weather will do apart from the structure of the footy team. But that's becoming the difference between the SANFL and the AFL.

[JK]

Let's face it, we all used to go to our suburban ground in absolutely crap conditions to watch our teams play, and we loved it. have we become desensitised so much that we won't go to a game because it's at FP or it's a Port home game, or I gotta wait in my car for 30 mins to get out of the car park...none of it's ideal but life isn't so we just get on with it.

Live TV coverage (or slightly delayed telecast) wasn't an option back in those days Cutts, so without trying to sound like CO that's obviously had a decent effect.

Perhaps it's also saturation with footy now ... Back in those wonder days of the SANFL it was really only a minority die-hard that followed the VFL with a passion, with most punters cramming to the SANFL games and then happy to follow the VFL via "The Winners" or Sunday Mail.

Personally, I'll always stand at the footy til' I'm too old to do so, thats just the way my old man brought me up at the footy and you're a long time seated when the body gives out - each to their own, but yes I do believe that MANY (certainly not all) footy goers these days are softer than in years gone by.

I actually feel half guilty when I go to the Telstra Dome because of how "Cushy" it is lol .. Not how it's meant to be IMHO (but I realise thats an issue with me more than anything else) and I still make a point of standing when I'm there (as I will be this Sunday).

[smac]

Good points Cutterman.

I think the difference is that the AFL has attracted lots of new supporters to the game - those who never went to the SANFL and are completely unaware of the tribal nature and the passion attached to it.

They are seeking entertainment only and don't fancy getting too cold or wet in the process.

[am Bays]

Excellent point C'man and CP.

When I want to watch football I go and watch Glenelg.

When I want to be entertained or have an "experience" I will go and watch the Crows, haven't seen them live at Footy PArk since 1996.

As a Crows supporter and ex-member I feel no real emotional attachment to them - well cetainly not to the same extent as Glenelg.

To me going and watching the Crows or Power is not what footy is about to me. Crikey I barely watched 15 mins of teh Showdown on TV such is my interest in AFL.

[JK]

Good call Tas ... See I can underatand Power fans having the connection that I can't ever have with the Crows ... The Crows would be my chosen team (like Port aswell and the fact I like both isn't the way it used to be lol), but I can take it or leave it, doesn't fuss me if I see their games or even get to them.

I guess it will be interesting to watch in the future as kids who grew up knowing nothing other than the Crows are now entering adulthood, and therefore should have that attachment we lack.

[Hondo]

I guess it will be interesting to watch in the future as kids who grew up knowing nothing other than the Crows are now entering adulthood, and therefore should have that attachment we lack.

Friends of mine with kids old enough to follow footy tell me that in most cases all the historical emotional issues (such as hating Port) are non-existant.

So they pick the Power or the Crows depending on all those variables that lead us to our own decisions when we were kids. Some pick other AFL teams as well. A lot of the kids seem to take the 'South Australian' angle and follow both. Or at least support one but not desparately hate the other.

So I think that is where the Power supporter base will pick up in the next 10-20 years.

Unfortunately very few of these parents report any support of an SANFL club at all ... but that's a whole other issue altogether.

Also as others have said, there's a generation of stand-in-the-rain footy supporters that will be lost in the next 30 years and replaced by the TV, comfy-seats only generation who won't blindly go to the footy every week. They will demand to be entertained and if their team isn't doing well they will go off and do something else on the weekend.

[Rik E Boy]

Those people have always been there hondo. Except in the old days they listened to the radio and read the match reports in the Football Times. The difference is these days there is a lot more on offer in terms of home entertainment and outdoor liesure pursuits. In the past it was pretty much SANFL in the winter and the Shield come summer with the odd international for those with the dough.

Now we have A league starting soon, throw in the national netball series, two rugby codes, the Olympics, EPL, FOXTEL, the internet, Playstation 3, Giant TVs, XBox, what's left of the NBL etc and you start to get the picture.

regards,

REB

[RustyCage]

Good points Cutterman.

I think the difference is that the AFL has attracted lots of new supporters to the game - those who never went to the SANFL and are completely unaware of the tribal nature and the passion attached to it.

They are seeking entertainment only and don't fancy getting too cold or wet in the process.

Are you saying there's no tribalism or passion involved with the supporting of the AFL clubss? Of course there is, and just as passionately as the SANFL.

[smac]

Good points Cutterman.

I think the difference is that the AFL has attracted lots of new supporters to the game - those who never went to the SANFL and are completely unaware of the tribal nature and the passion attached to it.

They are seeking entertainment only and don't fancy getting too cold or wet in the process.

Are you saying there's no tribalism or passion involved with the supporting of the AFL clubss? Of course there is, and just as passionately as the SANFL.

No, I'm not saying that at all. That's why there was 19,000 at the Port/Freo game. If there were no tribalism or passion there would have been no one there.

What I was saying is that there are a lot of supporters who have never been to a SANFL game who started going to the footy when the 'trendy' thing to do was go to an AFL game. Those folk jump ship at the first sign of something better to entertain them (like watching on TV when the weather is shitty or the team isn't winning).

I hope that's a little clearer.