Players who only played during 1942-1944

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As suggested, this section is for players who at the moment cannot be identified as to which club they were registered during the combined competition.

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From Adelaide Hawk:

North/Norwood
Archer FL
Bertram, Robert
Brittain, AG - may be known as John
Cooper, John
Griffen, Colin
Henderson, DC
Olsson, Douglas
Isaac, William
Jordon, WP
Lawrence, George
Moriarty, Kevin
Page, William
Searle, Horrie
Solomon, Myer
Stone, A
Winward, WM

[Leaping Lindner]

From Adelaide Hawk:

North/Norwood
Archer FL
Bertram, Robert
Brittain, AG - may be known as John
Cooper, John
Griffen, Colin
Henderson, DC
Olsson, Douglas
Isaac, William
Jordon, WP
Lawrence, George
Moriarty, Kevin
Page, William
Searle, Horrie
Solomon, Myer
Stone, A
Winward, WM

John Cooper played two games with N-NA during the war. He was originally a Subiaco (WAFL) player. He was Subiaco's leading goalkicker in 1945.
Bill Isaac (as has been covered before) also played with Torrens, Westies and Souths. He was the leagues leading goalkicker in 1943 and 1944.

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I went throught the players to have played for Port-Torrens during the combined competition, then looked at the PowerfromPort website and have found these players who are not on there. They might be tied with West Torrens, but I am not sure as J Sweeney could be John Sweeney on the Port website, but he is not credited with games in 1943, hence there might be more.

Horrie Searle - 2 games in 1942
C.Johnston - 1 game in 1942
P. Dinnison - 1 game in 1942 (Might be Les Dinnison for W.T)
T. Edwards - 2 games in 1942 (Might be Clem Edwards for W.T)
L. Valadares - 7 games in 1943
Alfred Sampson - 5 games in 1943
Fred Sampson - 5 games in 1943
J. Sweeney - 2 games in 1943 (See above)
B. Bampton - 2 games in 1943 (Might be Basil Bampton from P.A)
W. Dunbar - 1 game in 1943
Bernard Jordan - 8 games in 1944
D. Symonds - 7 games in 1944
J.C Meredith - 9 games in 1943-44
W. Hudson - 1 game in 1944 (Might be William F. Hudson for W.T)

[Ecky]

I believe test cricketer Keith Miller played a few games for Glenelg-West when he was here for army service in 1942.

Spelly, note that the player list in "Pride of the Bay" does include players who played for Glenelg-West.

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From Adelaide Hawk:

North/Norwood
Archer FL
Bertram, Robert
Brittain, AG - may be known as John
Cooper, John
Griffen, Colin
Henderson, DC
Olsson, Douglas
Isaac, William
Jordon, WP
Lawrence, George
Moriarty, Kevin
Page, William
Searle, Horrie
Solomon, Myer
Stone, A
Winward, WM

Horrie Searle was originally a Torrens player apparently. Any idea on this spelly.
Kevin Moriarty was a Western Australian player on war service not sure of original club.

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H. Searle - 2 games in 1942 (Might be Kenneth Searle for W.T)

Kenneth Searle was my Grandfather. To my knowledge he did not play for Torrens/Port in '42. He certainly played for Torrens in '45, I have a very damaged picture of the 1945 Torrens team with him in it.

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Thanks Ecky, I remember going through it and finding players who only played from 1942-44 in there, but I'll have to try and find the West assigned players who only played during that period next time I go to the library.

LL- thanks for that, recently I've gone through all the West Torrens Annual Reports from 1920 onwards, except for 1932-1941, so next time I'll go through that and probably find more players in that list. (And find out more about Horrie Searle).

Pseudo - thank you as well, it's great that there are many people on here with different bits of information/knowledge/resources to find out stuff. In case you didn't know (you probably do), Kenneth Searle played 2 games and kicked 2 goals in 1945.

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Leaping, I just remembered that I have a Cecil Searle and a Rudall Searle on the list for Torrens. Could either be the same player (as I don't have games and goals info. on either)?

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I went throught the players to have played for Port-Torrens during the combined competition, then looked at the PowerfromPort website and have found these players who are not on there. They might be tied with West Torrens, but I am not sure as J Sweeney could be John Sweeney on the Port website, but he is not credited with games in 1943, hence there might be more.

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H. Searle - 2 games in 1942

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See! I should posts more carefully. I'm guessing this is the Horrie Searle I was looking for. He started playing for N-NA in 1943! So it looks like he didn't play before or after the war.

As a matter of interest I was reading in the Bob Hank Story that PA-WT initially showed no interest in Bob Hank and he played an internal trial with N-NA on the recomendation of Owen Martin. It was after this trial that PA -WT suddenly showed interest and signed him up.

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He could have played for Torrens in 1941 - I might go to the library on Saturday or Sunday to check this up. Yes, I read about that in the Hank book - one that got away for North or Norwood? (Or almost one that got away for Torrens?)

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He could have played for Torrens in 1941 - I might go to the library on Saturday or Sunday to check this up. Yes, I read about that in the Hank book - one that got away for North or Norwood? (Or almost one that got away for Torrens?)

Yes except that I am 99.9* % certain that after the war he would have gone back to West Torrens. N-NA would have got him for that one season (1944).

[Adelaide Hawk]

Here's what I found today:

Rudall Heseltine "Snow" Searle
1937 to 1941 West Torrens (36 games, 31 goals)
1942 Port/Torrens (2 games, 0 goals)
1943-44 North/Norwood (19 games, 16 goals)
1945 North Adelaide (1 game, 0 goals)

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Well done Hawk, much appreciated.

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J Mederich 8games in 1943 is J C Meredith (PA) Alf and Fred Sampson is Alfred Sampson (one person) Frank T Nicholls 1942 6 games 1943 4 games Doug Hamilton also played for SA 1947 10 games and WT 1945 1 game 3 goals and Bernard Jordan for WA. 1945 15 games 17 goals.

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J Mederich 8games in 1943 is J C Meredith (PA) Alf and Fred Sampson is Alfred Sampson (one person) Frank T Nicholls 1942 6 games 1943 4 games Doug Hamilton also played for SA 1947 10 games and WT 1945 1 game 3 goals and Bernard Jordan for WA. 1945 15 games 17 goals.

Thanks again! I have noticed a few spelling errors in these reports and also different initials used for the same players, so I guess it's not surprising that this is the case. Also the Alf and Fred Sampson - that was how it was listed - one below the other, five games each, so another mistake from that report.

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Maybe not. I've just checked a photocopy from 100 years with the Magpies(page 108) by Bob McLean and season 1943 has Alf Sampson 5 games and F Sampson 5 games. However somewhere else (perhaps Power from Port) i think there is only the one listing. Such are the problems with such research. I'll be glad when Mark Beswick publishes a SANFL Encyclopedia similar to the AFL book. Just imagine the carnage to published records if pre-season games are no longer part of the official SANFL games tally. Further examples of published errors include if you add up games of A Lill (Norwood) I believe they only tally 113 but M Coward's book has total of 123. Also Harry Lee (WA) 1920-29 if you use list at back of Bloods Sweat and Tears the tally is 97 games but if you add up games you get 111 games. Just some of the problems to address in trying to get accurate data. I'm not sure if it is ever possible. Even annual reports don't always tally the required number of games for a team in any given season.

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It would be great when an enyclopaedia is published, for sure. But it takes the fun out of researching things.

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Most of the West Torrens Annual Reports are correct in the number of games, but I've noticed a couple of years where there might have been 3 extra or 15 less for example.

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True , it is fun. Sometimes though it is good to get confirmation one way or the other. I have been looking at SA annual reports and most tally. However particularly before 1920 there are discrepancies. I assume 18 players a side until 1930 when 19 and 20 after the war. Is that correct. I've read elsewhere some clubs used a 19th man and some didn't.