JACK BACK, TIMMY OUT?

[mal]

Port back in the 80s & 90s compared to todays Port-played more of a kick long at all costs, never over handball, outnumbered the opposition at the contests front & square & intimidate the opposition ( in their face ).
The midfielders i believe were more accountable than todays, today they play more off each other.
Port were very good in defence, they rebounded aggressively, their ability to switch play with pin point accuracy & run in numbers & break lines, which gave the fwds quick use & a chance by puting the ball to space & in front, not like todays hospital balls or delivery wide deep in pockets on the boundary.
The defence of today can't switch play effectively, time & time again they turn the ball over, even under no pressure.
I don't see lines of 3-4 Port players trying to break the lines with pace & possession footy, they havn't got the confidence or belief to do it, they don't work hard enough to help out other defenders with the 1%ers of the game ( tackle, sheppherd, chasing etc ).
The fwds can't kick goals when they get the ball ( don't like to be caught in pressure situations ), theirs only one main target in Hargraves & he's not blessed with pace & is getting on in age, although he can hold his head up coz he's been having a crack but you'd get alot of the ball to if it was given to you at all costs, indirectly alot of the times & out of position ( wide to the pockets ).
Fwds don't work hard enough to hold the ball inside 50, they should be more aggressive & get in the face of their opponent, not letting them run off & create. just doesn't seem to be any structure up fwd.
Centrals on the other hand are alot quicker, which is where the game has changed in recent years, they are also cleaner by a long shot with the use of the footy, they seem to have better structure coming out of defence & hit there better structured options up fwd, they have smalls ( midfielders ) that not only work hard offensively ( kicking goals ) but defensively helping out the there defenders.
When they lose a couple of centre clearances in a row, they'll man up & back themselves in a 50\50 contest, ACCOUNTABILITY something Port players don't know the meaning of.
One thing Centrals maintain is their aggressive approach at every contest & intimidation ( Gowans ) in your face all day.
So yes Tassie both games are similar & the clubs fundementals to a degree, the pace & possession ( handball ) has increased enormously in our game today & Centrals use the ball far better than most clubs, especially Port.

NO MERCY
That is a perfect summation

[Rik E Boy]

Sheesh mally, you're starting to sound like a swampy. Shame on you!

regards,

REB

[Barto]

After yesterday's hilarity at Football Park, there's probably a few Port fans wanting Jack back and Choco out

[Hodges 153!]

Henley, then Seaton, now nowhere.

This bloke wouldn't be scotty himself would he?

regards,

REB

Nope, he wouldn't be.

regards,

Me

[Adelaide Hawk]

After yesterday's hilarity at Football Park, there's probably a few Port fans wanting Jack back and Choco out

I've got a few Port mates who want Chocko out. Not that they don't appreciate what he's done for them (eg 2004 flag, etc), but they just feel it's time the Power went in a new direction, and finally broke free from the Port Adelaide SANFL connection.

[am Bays]

No Mercy an interesting read If I got this right you are saying Centrals and Port (80s and 90s) have similar styles but Centrals just have a slightly more mature (cleaner with disposals) than say Port 20 years ago.

Port under Ginevar lack the work rate, skill and quality of players to do it compared to teh great Port sides.

Hey I admire and respect the Port way of 20 years ago, it caused me a lot of pain but I think the foundation of their game plan - a solid back six, a hard working midfield - perpared to get back and help the defence than run and support then kick long to a strong forward target all time intimidating opponents with their aggressive attack of the footy is recipie for success in the SANFL.

Centrals are the masters at it in this era - which is why they are the benchmark - no question in 2008. Glenelg and Sturt are doing it well or trying to develop that game style hence why they are in the top 3 ATM.

[beenreal]

As far as I'm concerned Timmy G is the coach and will continue as such. The match commitee are doing the right thing and bringing the high performing juniors through a few at a time. And you put the likes of Mark Clayton, Steven Eichner and Daniel Elstone around the contests, and yesterdays result could have been much different.

[am Bays]

How did Eichner go in the twos yesterday?

It is a shame seeing good young players struggle with knee reconstructions. Unfortunately he may never reach the hights of his 2006 form.

[barry_watson]

[quote="mal"][quote="NO-MERCY"]Port back in the 80s & 90s compared to todays Port-played more of a kick long at all costs, never over handball, outnumbered the opposition at the contests front & square & intimidate the opposition ( in their face ).
The midfielders i believe were more accountable than todays, today they play more off each other.
Port were very good in defence, they rebounded aggressively, their ability to switch play with pin point accuracy & run in numbers & break lines, which gave the fwds quick use & a chance by puting the ball to space & in front, not like todays hospital balls or delivery wide deep in pockets on the boundary.
The defence of today can't switch play effectively, time & time again they turn the ball over, even under no pressure.
I don't see lines of 3-4 Port players trying to break the lines with pace & possession footy, they havn't got the confidence or belief to do it, they don't work hard enough to help out other defenders with the 1%ers of the game ( tackle, sheppherd, chasing etc ).
The fwds can't kick goals when they get the ball ( don't like to be caught in pressure situations ), theirs only one main target in Hargraves & he's not blessed with pace & is getting on in age, although he can hold his head up coz he's been having a crack but you'd get alot of the ball to if it was given to you at all costs, indirectly alot of the times & out of position ( wide to the pockets ).
Fwds don't work hard enough to hold the ball inside 50, they should be more aggressive & get in the face of their opponent, not letting them run off & create. just doesn't seem to be any structure up fwd.
Centrals on the other hand are alot quicker, which is where the game has changed in recent years, they are also cleaner by a long shot with the use of the footy, they seem to have better structure coming out of defence & hit there better structured options up fwd, they have smalls ( midfielders ) that not only work hard offensively ( kicking goals ) but defensively helping out the there defenders.
When they lose a couple of centre clearances in a row, they'll man up & back themselves in a 50\50 contest, ACCOUNTABILITY something Port players don't know the meaning of.
One thing Centrals maintain is their aggressive approach at every contest & intimidation ( Gowans ) in your face all day.
So yes Tassie both games are similar & the clubs fundementals to a degree, the pace & possession ( handball ) has increased enormously in our game today & Centrals use the ball far better than most clubs, especially Port.[/quote]

NO MERCY
That is a perfect summation[/quote]


The magpies have a set of rules that they are meant to follow, one of those rules being ACCOUNTABILITY which i think is the most important rule. If every player beats there man they should win the game, depending on how they finish infront of goal. While ports midfielders are getting alot of the ball have a look at there direct opponents and they are the players winning the games for the opposing sides. The midfielders in ports dominant years go back and help there backman, port midfielders these days wait for it to rebound out of defence and get easy loose kicks.

Port in the past did intimidate players, port today try to intimidate players. Players writting on there hand hard yet dropping there heads when backing into a contest is sad.

Every week when they try to work out why are we losing they come to the simple conclusion that they dont talk enough. Which is the worst problem because they are all talk but no walk. They talk more crap and get penalised more.
They act tough but arent getting the contested balls.

The past players look after the young blokes coming into the side, the players today are blasting the young players for not giving them the ball. The players that have come from interstate are only worried about themselves and getting the money they want for coming over here. The whole attitude and mentality is the difference between port of today to there succesful days in the past.

Instead of focusing on talk and intimidation they need to focus on hitting hard and letting there actions intimidate by getting the hard balls and helping each other out.

Did gavin wanganeen yell and scream? did michael voss yell and scream? did paul kelly yell and scream? They said what needed to be said and let there actions speak for themselves. As did the greats that played in ports past.